Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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You know, with the Sun Liling and Ji Rong situation, there is a disturbing amount of mirroring going on with the legends of the past.

A highly talented individual has bonded with a celestial dragon and is now entangled in the Western Territories. In the Sage Emperor's case, it was because he desired to conqueror it and used marriage as a means to do that. In Ji Rong's case, he seems to be going to the Western Territories to join with them and has some attraction to the princess of the region.

And now, the princess in both stories have inescapably strong ties with the Sunflower Goddess.

I can only hope that Ji Rong and Sun Liling's story ends up better than the Sage Emperor and the Princess of the Red Garden's story.
 
You know, with the Sun Liling and Ji Rong situation, there is a disturbing amount of mirroring going on with the legends of the past.

A highly talented individual has bonded with a celestial dragon and is now entangled in the Western Territories. In the Sage Emperor's case, it was because he desired to conqueror it and used marriage as a means to do that. In Ji Rong's case, he seems to be going to the Western Territories to join with them and has some attraction to the princess of the region.

And now, the princess in both stories have inescapably strong ties with the Sunflower Goddess.

I can only hope that Ji Rong and Sun Liling's story ends up better than the Sage Emperor and the Princess of the Red Garden's story.
Turns out that Liling & Rong are(were?) the Sage Emperor and Sunflower Goddess. And we are seeing them before they go back in time to become those people. :V
 
Why are you so sure about that? Exploring was so very close to winning and is very emotionally resonant with many people. It has very good chances down the line.
The biggest driver against Exploration here was the perceived lack of novelty of exploration - people wanted to do something that the questers 'haven't seen before'. By the time the math cabal's plans open up, enough time and ranks will have passed that there will be new 'haven't seen before' things that that faction will push for such as Major Elder Tutoring or the Domain Name Quest. This will always remain true as yrs keeps adding new content to enjoy.

The other major driver against Exploration is that people wanted to do stuff that seemed like it might be a precursor to other stuff we want to do, arguing that modding HDW would give narrative experience that would pay off when making a successor art. This is also going to be a consistent factor against exploration, because there aren't any long term goals people will accept exploration being a precursor to. Meanwhile, there are long term plans for having a fief of our own and acting as part of CRX's court, so this same line of logic will be pushing for investment into things like fief-building skills or more social actions to manage opinions and politics.

So while Exploration was close to winning and is currently emotionally resonant, the major arguments against Exploration aren't going anywhere while the longer it gets since we've explored the less emotionally resonant Exploring will get. It's all downhill for Exploration from here on out.
 
By the time the math cabal's plans open up, enough time and ranks will have passed that there will be new 'haven't seen before' things that that faction will push for such as Major Elder Tutoring or the Domain Name Quest.
I'm pretty sure things like Major Elder Tutoring are more likely to free up AP from the Cabal's plans than absorb more of it.

Anything new that results in training the same paths as the existing plans, but faster, will do that.
 
The biggest driver against Exploration here was the perceived lack of novelty of exploration - people wanted to do something that the questers 'haven't seen before'. By the time the math cabal's plans open up, enough time and ranks will have passed that there will be new 'haven't seen before' things that that faction will push for such as Major Elder Tutoring or the Domain Name Quest. This will always remain true as yrs keeps adding new content to enjoy.

The other major driver against Exploration is that people wanted to do stuff that seemed like it might be a precursor to other stuff we want to do, arguing that modding HDW would give narrative experience that would pay off when making a successor art. This is also going to be a consistent factor against exploration, because there aren't any long term goals people will accept exploration being a precursor to. Meanwhile, there are long term plans for having a fief of our own and acting as part of CRX's court, so this same line of logic will be pushing for investment into things like fief-building skills or more social actions to manage opinions and politics.

So while Exploration was close to winning and is currently emotionally resonant, the major arguments against Exploration aren't going anywhere while the longer it gets since we've explored the less emotionally resonant Exploring will get. It's all downhill for Exploration from here on out.
I disagree, I think that exploration is all up hill from here.

Exploration does benefit longer-term plans for many of us here in the Quest. Getting Ling Qi familiarized and communicating with spirits that are not bonded to her and flexing the spirit diplomacy she has been developing. That's a longer-term goal that can be benefited from going out, exploring, and finding spirits to talk to and communicate with. This is especially relevant given SSC's description of what it rewards and promotes. Given that we are diving into SSC fairly deep this month, it is likely that SSC will begin to promote such actions. Certainly our passive cultivation bonuses from Hidden and Grinning support actions of sneaking around and finding hidden knowledge already, something which can be achieved through exploration actions.

Secondly, there is always going to be an appeal for getting Ling Qi to go out there and interact with the world more. Cultivating like a manic is all well and good, but we can trigger more events and trials which use that strength than the semi-ordered events that fall into our lap. And we do that by going out and seeking those trials. This appeal and desire will never go away and is only going to be reinforced by what we see of the developing world building inside the Sect.

Thirdly, people think that exploration is fun, especially when we know there are places like the Thunder Palace here in the Inner Sect. Sure, we don't have an explicit invitation to the Thunder Palace, but we do have LFotWT, which is basically an open invitation to go where we want to go because stopping us is not worth the trouble. And, quite frankly, I think it would be amazing fun to go out and look for the Thunder Palace with LFotWT, or find other courts of spirits which are in the Inner Sect. And that fun, that thrill of possibility, that won't go away either.

So I disagree that exploration is only downhill from here. I think that as we learn more about the land around the Inner Sect, learn more about what is out there to find and discover, and as we gain possible incentives from SSC, we will want to go out and be exploring all the more.
 
I'm pretty sure things like Major Elder Tutoring are more likely to free up AP from the Cabal's plans than absorb more of it.

Anything new that results in training the same paths as the existing plans, but faster, will do that.
Well yes, but pedantry aside my point about yrs consistently generating new and interesting things for us to spend AP on still stands.
 
So earlier people were talking about how Su Ling had dropped in ranking and lost a reward tier. She dropped one place. Now instead of being Meizhan's position when she entered the inner sect she's at Xuan Shi's position when he entered the inner sect. Guys she's an early third realm that was granted the same rank as the victor of the end of year tournament. The fact that she only dropped 1 rank is a testament to how well she's doing. That said we should still definitely do things with her.

In other news Xuan Shi also dropped a rank from 710 to 711 unless I got something mixed up. That's kind of surprising considering how well he did on the mission.
 
The last chapter raised my esteem for Ji Rong. Remember this from the first thread?
Forge of Destiny chapter 118 said:
"You shut your damn mouth about that." Ji Rong grunted, eyes narrow as he slapped aside curling coils of wire. "I ain't stupid, and I'm not some puppy dog following her around."

"Is that so. Well, you are far too ugly to be a good puppy, so I suppose that's a good thing. Your base lust is as obvious as it is amusing however," he mocked, even as he twisted and dodged to avoid Ji Rong's increasing tempo of attacks.

"There's nothing," Ji Rong replied, leaping backward to avoid glittering wire that shot up from the ground, "wrong with looking!" He rushed back in, refusing to give the other boy space. "Least I'm not a limp dandy like you!"
Back then this made me think he was kind of a skeevy asshole. This chapter casts that comment in a very different light.
Interlude: Welcome to the Jungle said:
Sun Liling grunted. Rong might be a big dumb hound, but sometimes that was comforting in it's way. Well, assuming he didn't get his fool self eaten by a Sunflower Child like her last dog. "I'm not sure I should trust you with my back, when your eyes end up glued to my ass," there was no reason to get sappy though.

Ji Rong's face reddened. "Oi, you told me that there's nothing wrong with looking!"
Combined with the revelation that he helped sort out Huang Da when he was preying on common born girls, I'm starting to think Ji Rong was actually a pretty decent person even before his character development.
 
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This chapter casts that comment in a very different light.
That line being a quote from Sun does put it in a very different context, yeah.

... Also a reminder that, while Ji Rong quite evidently does pay attention to the desires of those around them, he's still a street rat who can easily miss undercurrents or double-meanings in conversation.
 
Yeah, Rong is a guy I have basically no problems with and I'm glad to see him at a neutral relation, the "mistake" he initially got kicked out of the Cai faction for was normal process for most of the Empire.

It's expected that tax collectors skim, he just 1: Got a leader who actually meant it when she said don't be corrupt and 2: probably lacked the social skills to be subtle with it.
 
I don't like Ji Rong, he's an asshole.
But he is not a monster, or evil, or even that bad of a person.
He might even have been a friend if we had met him in different circumstances, or could be if we end up working long enough in the future.
 
Honestly, things like those is why I hate him being called a xianxia protagonist. He is a shonen protagonist, maybe a bit darker than most, but the average xianxia protagonist is an asshole with no real moral values who only maybe cares about those close to him in a surface manner. Sure, there are some exceptions (rarely ones that make the protagonist a good protagonist, mind you) but most of them are like that. The ancient Emperor "you gonna enter my harem by any means" is the xianxia protagonist expy, Rong is a lot more shonen in demeanor.
 
Yeah, Rong is a guy I have basically no problems with and I'm glad to see him at a neutral relation, the "mistake" he initially got kicked out of the Cai faction for was normal process for most of the Empire.

It's expected that tax collectors skim, he just 1: Got a leader who actually meant it when she said don't be corrupt and 2: probably lacked the social skills to be subtle with it.
I'm still not sure that whole thing wasn't a set-up played on him by someone like Yan Renshu, to drive him out of Cai's camp.

I have no direct evidence, but he tried to pull the exact same thing on us, and the honest confusion, disappointment and bitterness Ji Rong showed here make a lot more sense to me that way:
Forge of Destiny Interlude Ji Rong said:
When he'd still been playing along with her stupid rules, Xuan had come up to him, warbling some cryptic bullshit about breaking trust and corruption, and he knew he'd been had. Inviting him had just been a trap. Something to give her an excuse to put down the uppity commoner.

They were always like that, mortal or immortal. Nobles that sneered down at the people below them like so much trash. He was so damned sick of it, but it seemed that it was impossible to escape.
 
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I'm still not sure that whole thing wasn't a set-up played on him by someone like Yan Renshu, to drive him out of Cai's camp.

I have no direct evidence, but he tried to pull the exact same thing on us, and the honest confusion, disappointment and bitterness Ji Rong showed here make a lot more sense to me that way:
Nope!
He cut money because that's what gangs do!
He made sure Cai got her cut and he got a little extra. There is confirmation in Royal Road. Can't remember the exact chapter. He was a gang member so he thought Cai's govt. was a gang acted like a gang there.
 
Nope!
He cut money because that's what gangs do!
He made sure Cai got her cut and he got a little extra. There is confirmation in Royal Road. Can't remember the exact chapter. He was a gang member so he thought Cai's govt. was a gang acted like a gang there.
Huh. Must have missed that somehow. I guess I never really read the RR version very closely.
 
What soldier arc? The Cai bought out our service. We're not serving in the military after we leave the Sect, we're doing whatever Cai Renxiang says to do, which is whatever Cai Shenhua says to do, which is probably something just barely on this side of impossible like "I want you to fill your dangerous borderland barony with happy people to the population density of pre-Cataclysm Golden Fields countryside and bring me the heads of three Cloud Tribe warleaders a year."
CRX has explicitly stated that we are going to do our years of military service in her fief.

Interest sparked in the heiress' eyes, and the eye-wings splayed across her chest narrowed hungrily. "It would mean being my hand in many things," The light behind her sparkled, increasing in intensity. "The Lady Duchess has, in her generosity indicated that I will be granted a fief from her holdings in the borderlands should I prove myself worthy within the Sect. Rather than serving your term within the Sects forces, you would instead serve among the forces of that holding."
 
Turn 10 Arc 1-1: Ramping Up
"...Thus the quality of the water is as important as the provenance of the leaves in achieving the proper flavor," Cai Renxiang explained. As she spoke she poured heated water into the teapot, over the waiting leaves.

Ling Qi had to admit, the rising fragrance was pretty nice. However, she had to sigh internally knowing that depending on the blend she could ruin tea by using the wrong water. "Can I ask why you chose to heat the water manually?" Ling Qi asked carefully. "The pot has adjustable heating formations doesn't it?"

They were seated in Cai Renxiang's dining room. It was as plain and spartan as her own, the heiress not having bothered with much decoration for a temporary home. Between them was laid out an incredibly fine tea set, made of white porcelain with patterns of the palest green painted onto the surface, using what Ling Qi was quite certain was literally powdered green spirit stones as pigment if her senses were correct. Ling Qi had to work not to stare when the girl brought it out.

Cai Renxiang did not raise her eyes until she had finished pouring, letting the steaming water overflow into the bowl the teapot rested in. "While… commercial quality formations are well enough for casual use, I am showing you the proper method. For truly high quality blends, such formations are insufficient, you must know and achieve the proper temperature by hand."

Ling Qi eyed the fine porcelain tea set laid out on the table before them, studying the masterful strokes of the formation craft worked into the designs on the porcelain, she had wonder what Cai renxiang would think of the far more primitive heating formations on her own home tea set. "I see, and how do you know the proper temperature?"

"By reading instructive materials on the blend you are brewing," Cai Renxiang said dryly, Placing the lid on the teapot. "Unless you consider your senses fine enough to pick out the minute fluctuations in the qi of the tea, and recognize them for what they imply."

"I think I will stick with the former," Ling Qi said.

"A wise choice, I myself have learned to recognize such changes, but is not necessary for the casual practitioner," Cai Renxiang said, leaning back in her seat. "Now, Cloud Grotto Ginseng must be allowed to brew for precisely twelve minutes and thirty eight seconds, so we must wait, tell me Ling Qi, what have you learned in your time with Wang Chao?"

Ling Qi hummed to herself, drumming her fingers on the polished tabletop. "I am afraid that I only have some small gossip," Ling Qi apologized. "While I believe I have made a good impression on those attending, they hardly share any deep secrets."

"That is fine," Cai Renxiang said serenely. "I do not expect the impossible."

"Most kind of you," Ling Qi said back.. "Let's see… personal gossip aside, it seems that most disciples have a positive view of you. Your participation in the destruction of the raiding force in the eastern region last month was greatly acclaimed."

"Because you were listening?" Cai Renxiang asked, quirking an eyebrow.

Ling Qi smiled. "I thought so too at first but no, at least among the group I was in, the admiration was sincere. That none of the raiders escaped was credited to you."

"Hm, my arts allowed for those fleeing to be brought down, but I cannot claim credit for baiting them into the position that allowed it in the first place," Cai Renxiang said slowly. "And it was a small force, I would only call it a victory for morale regardless."

Ling Qi could only shrug. That was not how disciples saw it. After months of hit and run and skirmishing, a force being pinned down and destroyed was cheered loudly. "That aside, I have made some progress on discerning the Wang clan's position. It was only a comment from Wang Chao, but…

"You understand Miss Ling, those forest dwellers think of the folk of the hills and mountains as upstarts and newcomers, as if we were not here, weathering the tribes while they were sitting pretty in their palaces playing court games! Just hold they say, don't expand your holdings, don't retaliate! Bah, they wouldn't be saying that if those brutes did more than pick at their periphery every year," Wang Chao had groused over a cup of cider.

"They do have something of a point," Ling Qi had said carefully. "Surely we do not have enough people to hold all the mountains of the wall."

"We don't need too," Wang Chao had grumbled. "Let us build outposts and beasts take the rest, it would be better than leaving them be. Besides, don't let the nonsense from the north fool you, the tribes can be brought to heel, they're men as much as us. Slay their warriors and the rest fall in line. Half of the villages in our holdings are Cloud Tribe blood, there's rebellion for certain, but put it down a few times, give them a taste of a proper civilized lifestyle and make sure the children are taught properly and they're proper citizens in no time. Why one of Grandfather's favored generals is the grandson of a Khan who surrendered."

"I will have to defer to your experience," Ling Qi had said carefully. Something about his words bothered her, but she couldn't say exactly what. "Still, doing all of that takes time doesn't it?"

"It does," Wang Chao had said grudgingly. " It just seems as if the rest of the province seems to think the blighted raiders aren't a real problem any longer. Even the Jia have left us to our own devices these days, cozying up with the northerners. And look where it's gotten us! The Throne did more for us with the Sects than the rest of the province had ever done, before Duchess Cai rose. You would think they would remember that!"


"...If his view is at all common, the Wang clan is feeling somewhat isolated and abandoned," Ling Qi explained. "They still support the Duchess, but they are growing very agitated with the status quo."

"As expected," Cai Renxiang sighed. "Continue working with him if you would. It will be a good connection to build."

"Of course, Lady Renxiang," Ling Qi said. She didn't even mind anymore. While it could be a little tedious, there was enough good to make up for it, and she could still cultivate at the meetings.

"That said, I must congratulate you on reaching the Green Threshold Stage," her liege said. "It is an impressive achievement."

"Only as impressive as yours," Ling Qi said. Cai Renxiang was fully threshold and had beaten her by the better part of a month, but the gap in base cultivation was closing.

Cai Renxiang gave her an unamused look. "Do accept the compliment Ling Qi. I will see to speaking with Mother about increasing your cultivation stipend come years end."

"Thank you, Lady Renxiang," Ling Qi was looking forward to keeping full pace of cultivation. She glanced toward the teapot, inhaling the rising fragrance. Twelve minutes the heiress said, it smelled like it was ready to drink now. "What should we do about our Sect rankings though? We need to continue rising but I haven't gotten any leads on other big missions I could volunteer for."

"On that matter, I have my own sources. Core Disciple Jia has been grateful for my support in some matters, and I have received some insights into upcoming missions. I believe it is time that we undertook an assignment together, to show your ability to support me in a more direct fashion. There are a pair of high profile assignments which I believe would be suitable…"

Ling Qi's gaze drifting back to Renxiang, curious. "Oh, what is the sect planning?"

"Firstly, the Sect's intelligence has discerned where a number of the barbarian lower level leadership is meeting to coordinate, it is believed that the site is also of some ritual importance. A group is needed to assault it," Cai Renxiang replied. "Alternatively, the Sect is constructing a new forward bases underground, whose geomantic properties will be used to allow more powerful cultivators to function in that toxic environment. He expects heavy resistance to their construction."

"...That sounds like there are going to be higher realm enemies in both cases," Ling Qi said warily.

"Indeed," Cai Renxiang said bluntly. "We will have our own allies, but it will be a dangerous matter regardless. Do you have a preference?"

[] Assault the Cloud Tribe Ritual Site (Offensive Mission, Objectives: Kill and capture enemy combatants, gather intelligence, Survive)
[] Defend the Geomantic Forts (Defensive Mission, Objective: Hold the Line, Defend production students, Survive)
 
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War mission war mission, juicy juicy sect perks!

I favor the offensive mission, I think, because LQ's ability to be a mobile hard point seems maximally useful there: strategic mobility + slowing and isolating field effects makes for a great combo of cutting off and trapping high-value targets. But the defensive mission might play more to CRX's strengths as a turret? I'm unsure.

also CRX's special interest showing is adorkable
 
I am in favor of the Defend option, but the assault does have an objective of gather intelligence which our spying skills may benefit.
 
Do you have a preference?

[] Assault the Cloud Tribe Ritual Site (Offensive Mission, Objectives: Kill and capture enemy combatants, gather intelligence, Survive)
[] Defend the Geomantic Forts (Defensive Mission, Objective: Hold the Line, Defend production students, Survive)
Hmm.

I think Ling QI is pretty damned good at both of these, so the real question is which do we think will better show off cooperation with CRX.

I think I can see ways we could work that either way, but I think the attack might result in Ling Qi acting followed by CRX acting, where the defense will have both working together more continuously? I'm not sure I want cooperation to mean Ling Qi delivering a CRX warhead to the target.
 
I am favoring the defensive mission because I wanna keep our production disciples safe. But I can see the appeal of either mission.
 
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