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Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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DangerKitty said:
[x] Melodies of the Spirit Seekers (Lean in to the problem of empathy and how to solve it. Improves Sixiang's Wind affinity. Lower Chance of Positive result)

The way i see it, this will try and teach her how to cope with her empathy problems i think reinforcing her nature is teaching her apathy, cus from what it sounds like, thats what most muses are and that apathy is also what can make spirits more dangerous in general. I think that what this vote really breaks down to is how we are teaching sixiang to deal with negative emotions, coping or apathy. Personally i think coping is more healthy and important even if it is more "human".
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No it isn't. You're voting for "stop caring about people who aren't in the in-group" like what do you think "dealing with the problem of empathy and how to solve it" means when the problem is "Six cares and empathises with EVERYONE in the vicinity including the people trying to kill us"?
 
[X] Playful Muse Rapport (Try to help Sixiang reclaim their nature as a muse. Increases Sixiang's Moon affinity. Higher chance of positive result)
 
[X] Playful Muse Rapport (Try to help Sixiang reclaim their nature as a muse. Increases Sixiang's Moon affinity. Higher chance of positive result)

These choises are very close, but I prefer to not make them go more into wind, instead focusing on their base as a moon spirit.
 
George said:
Not willing to vote for a yang art
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sergit said:
Ultimately, both options seem good to me, but I don't care for learning MoSS, and I really want PMR as soon as possible, so going to vote for that.
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Just as a heads up: we're learning both MoSS and PMR this turn, regardless of this vote, because training both of those arts is in the turn plan:
naths said:
ok, so here is a 'cleaned' version of the plan with the winning votes inserted into the placeholder @yrsillar

[X] Plan: All the options
-[X] Medium Pills (free)
-[X] Resources: 12 GSS, 8 YSS (4 free GSS, 8 from cash, 8 free YSS) , EPC Drip on Spiritual Cultivation
-[X] Buy and hold a Ebon Spirit Elixir for 60 SP, for use on a future turn
-[X] Buy and hold a Trench Swimmer's Pill for 60 SP, for use on a future turn
-[X] Spiritual Cultivation (4 AP)
-[X] Physical Cultivation (4 AP)
-[X] Songseeker Ceremony (3 AP)
-[X] Argent Genesis (2 AP)
-[X] Meridian (2 AP; 4 Head Meridians)
-[X] Roaming Moon's Eye (1 AP)
-[X] Playful Muse's Rapport (1 AP)
-[X] Melodies of the Spirit Seekers (1 AP)
-[X] Xiao Fen (1 AP)
-[X] Family (1 AP)
-[X] Equip Three Moon's Chime, unequip Fleeting Moonlight Shawl


[X] Plan Cheerful Muse
-[X] 4 Dex* (8/40), 2 Presence** (12/40), 4 Manip** (20/40), 4 Comp** (28/40)
-[X] 3 Empathy*** (31/40), 4 Speech*** (35/40), 1 Spirit Ken*** (36/40)
-[X] 1 Woodwind*** (38/40), 1 Vanishing** (40/40)
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[X] Playful Muse Rapport (Try to help Sixiang reclaim their nature as a muse. Increases Sixiang's Moon affinity. Higher chance of positive result)
 
[X] Melodies of the Spirit Seekers (Lean in to the problem of empathy and how to solve it. Improves Sixiang's Wind affinity. Lower Chance of Positive result)

I am more interested in trying to solve the problem in a empathy way, rather than Sixiang getting back distance.
 
[X] Melodies of the Spirit Seekers (Lean in to the problem of empathy and how to solve it. Improves Sixiang's Wind affinity. Lower Chance of Positive result)
 
[X] Playful Muse Rapport (Try to help Sixiang reclaim their nature as a muse. Increases Sixiang's Moon affinity. Higher chance of positive result)

Moon's been our cool non-music element, so moon vote for me.
 
angelofwhim said:
my vote always loses so....
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That's just not true.

angelofwhim said:
[X] Ask her if that is really so bad? The Third realm was where cultivators set the foundations which guided the rest of their road. Of course divergences would appear.
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angelofwhim said:
[X] Sixiang's troubles directly. Ling Qi was no great philosopher, but she knew that ugliness did not preclude beauty. It was true that things were hard, and Sixiang was not violent by nature but… there was still worth in the waking world. [Ling Qi's arguments focus on Sixiang's problems with recent events and how to reconcile them with their nature. More likely to lead to a long term solution. Lower chance of Positive outcome.]
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[X] Melodies of the Spirit Seekers (Lean in to the problem of empathy and how to solve it. Improves Sixiang's Wind affinity. Lower Chance of Positive result)

1986ctcel said:
No it isn't. You're voting for "stop caring about people who aren't in the in-group" like what do you think "dealing with the problem of empathy and how to solve it" means when the problem is "Six cares and empathises with EVERYONE in the vicinity including the people trying to kill us"?
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And the other option might be "stop caring for people at all and be a muse".
 
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1986ctcel said:
No it isn't. You're voting for "stop caring about people who aren't in the in-group" like what do you think "dealing with the problem of empathy and how to solve it" means when the problem is "Six cares and empathises with EVERYONE in the vicinity including the people trying to kill us"?
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It says deal with unwarranted empathy. That does not necessarily mean choose to be apathetic, it could just mean accepting it as necessary. Aka learning some coping mechanisms.

As for the other vote. She let us experience what is was like to be a muse from her eyes and we learned muses are completely apathetic. Not in a malicious way, but in an all emotions are equal way.

Both solve her problem. I just dont like the implications of the latter as much as the former as emotional apathy would make her harder to relate to and probably more distant.
 
[X] Melodies of the Spirit Seekers (Lean in to the problem of empathy and how to solve it. Improves Sixiang's Wind affinity. Lower Chance of Positive result)

you know what, I changed my mind. We got one good roll, so might as well go for another more difficult roll
 
Vanguard_D said:
No, like pointed out the Wind option is the option about caring.(empathy) and how to handle it. Reclaming their Muse roots does not remove caring, that is just fear mongering.
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I disagree. In this update Sixiang eplains that as a muse, they had a knowledge of what pain, loss and death were, but they didn't have an understanding of it, until they became more human.

I think that one option tries to get Sixiang to be more detached towards enemies and another to be more detached towards everyone. None of which are inherently better or worse, I think, so it's just a personal preference for me.
 
Varder said:
I disagree. In this update Sixiang eplains that as a muse, they had a knowledge of what pain, loss and death were, but they didn't have an understanding of it, until they became more human.

I think that one option tries to get Sixiang to be more detached towards enemies and another to be more detached towards everyone. None of which are inherently better or worse, I think, so it's just a personal preference for me.
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That's just fearmongering and completely misunderstanding the option. Seriously? "go back to being more detached to suffering"?
 
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Varder said:
I disagree. In this update Sixiang eplains that as a muse, they had a knowledge of what pain, loss and death were, but they didn't have an understanding of it, until they became more human.

I think that one option tries to get Sixiang to be more detached towards enemies and another to be more detached towards everyone. None of which are inherently better or worse, I think, so it's just a personal preference for me.
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And like pointed out the Wind option is the one about caring/empathy. Moon one does not touch upon that. If you want to handle the empathy angle/problem then Wind option is for you, but dont paint the Moon option as something that affects it when we been told that the Wind option is the one that handles that area.

Moon handles something else then caring/empathy.
 
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[X] Playful Muse Rapport (Try to help Sixiang reclaim their nature as a muse. Increases Sixiang's Moon affinity. Higher chance of positive result)
 
Vanguard_D said:
And like pointed out the Wind option is the one about caring/empathy. Moon one does not touch upon that. If you want to handle the empathy angle then Wind option is for you, but dont paint the Moon option as something that affects it when we been told that the Wind option is the one that handles that area.

Moon handles something else then caring/empathy.
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Except that the moon option is about letting her reclaim her nature as a muse. Which, as shown, is apathetic and detached which sounds pretty related to caring and empathy to me
 
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DangerKitty said:
Except that the moon option is about letting her reclaim her nature as a muse. Which, as shown, is apathetic and detached which sounds pretty related to caring and emptahy to me
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Either read the options properly or don't make claims about what they mean.

ONE option exclusively deals with "the problem of empathy" the other doesn't.
 
[X] Melodies of the Spirit Seekers (Lean in to the problem of empathy and how to solve it. Improves Sixiang's Wind affinity. Lower Chance of Positive result)
 
Just gonna make it easier for myself. @DangerKitty
Discord said:
Vanguard_DToday at 18:54
before things end up bad @Yrsillar is the Moon supposed to remove empathy? Because the way discussion is going we might see fear mongering.

In the hall of the MountainKingToday at 18:55
Moon doesn't remove empathy
I thought wind would weaken weaken her emapthy

YrsillarToday at 18:55
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no

In the hall of the MountainKingToday at 18:55
Neither would weaken we empathy?

YrsillarToday at 18:55
iits the other vote thats about empathy

In the hall of the MountainKingToday at 18:55
The other vote?

YrsillarToday at 18:55
the wind one

Vanguard_DToday at 18:56
one strenghtens empathy one keeps the current?

In the hall of the MountainKingToday at 18:56
So wind weakens Emapthy
And moon does something else?

YrsillarToday at 18:56
Err not sure how you get strengthening empathy out of 'solving the problme of empathy'
I wouldn't say weaken, like read their conversation
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So Wind option is about empathy. Not Moon.

Fun that I predicted the "Moon removes empathy" fear mongering early.
 
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[x] Melodies of the Spirit Seekers (Lean in to the problem of empathy and how to solve it. Improves Sixiang's Wind affinity. Lower Chance of Positive result)
 
[X] Melodies of the Spirit Seekers (Lean in to the problem of empathy and how to solve it. Improves Sixiang's Wind affinity. Lower Chance of Positive result)

Personally I find the idea of dealing with the 'problem' of Empathy way more interesting than the other option (ironically a more muse approach to voting) though I will admit the lower chance of Positive result makes me really unsure about this option so I'll be fine if Muse wins.
 
DangerKitty said:
Stuff like that needs to be posted in threads tbh.

But k, then what the hell does "help sixiang reclaim her nature as a muse" mean then if not as a way to deal with her current problem.
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Like yrs said, read the convo in the update and discuss. Best guess I have is it deals with their fear of death that seems to be crippling them just as much as their empathy.
 
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