We had a whole story arc about spirits going against their nature. Maybe it's not that wise to follow that particular example. Just saying. Mechanics wise I leave it to the Math squad to make their point.
Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)
- Thread starter yrsillar
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- Third planet from the star named Sol
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- He/They
[] Playful Muse Rapport (Try to help Sixiang reclaim their nature as a muse. Increases Sixiang's Moon affinity. Higher chance of positive result)
This is the one I'm voting for. Too many reasons to really get down atm. If I have time later, I'll do so.
This is the one I'm voting for. Too many reasons to really get down atm. If I have time later, I'll do so.
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- The Temple of the Winds
I don't see why Ling Qi is stumbling on this, the obvious in-character answer would be to advise him to lean on his family/friends. To lean on those that make his "home". It's Ling Qi's goddamned domain ffs!
And really, how are these options anywhere near related to Six's fear, let alone how to "solve" it?
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Arkeus
Crazy cat guy
- Location
- France
PMR is an art that copies muses, and as such would bring Ling Qi more intune to how muses are for the next part of the dialog.
MoSS otoh is an art about talking to spirits and how to bargain with them, and as such would be more about solving Sixiang's issues in the real world.
- Location
- PA
...If I understand it...And I don't think I do...
It...Sounds like Sixiang NEEDS a certain disconnect to be able to work with negative emotions, because well...When you're in pain, like say, when you stub your toe and want to speak, what do you want to say?
Do you want to describe the way your toe throbs, likening the waves of pain to the waves of a sea?
Or do you just want to exhale, hard, to banish all that pain and adreniline?
Being depressed can make one go 'what's the point?' to creating art, and that crux I think is what Sixiang is stuck on. She's seen so much pain and to put it into words, to really think on it when she understands precisely what it means? It's like a snowman trying to sculpt lava. The somber emotions literally counter-act the playful 'I wanna make something!' that's core to Sixiang...
Is this view correct though?
It...Sounds like Sixiang NEEDS a certain disconnect to be able to work with negative emotions, because well...When you're in pain, like say, when you stub your toe and want to speak, what do you want to say?
Do you want to describe the way your toe throbs, likening the waves of pain to the waves of a sea?
Or do you just want to exhale, hard, to banish all that pain and adreniline?
Being depressed can make one go 'what's the point?' to creating art, and that crux I think is what Sixiang is stuck on. She's seen so much pain and to put it into words, to really think on it when she understands precisely what it means? It's like a snowman trying to sculpt lava. The somber emotions literally counter-act the playful 'I wanna make something!' that's core to Sixiang...
Is this view correct though?
The spoiler box is still "first song", not "second song".
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- The Temple of the Winds
Well... seems we have our high value target for next turn...
Also, am i the only one that finds it strange that Green 4 is still the limit for the bonus cultivation dice even after three levels?
- Location
- Finland
[] Playful Muse Rapport (Try to help Sixiang reclaim their nature as a muse. Increases Sixiang's Moon affinity. Higher chance of positive result)
Unless convinced otherwise, going with this.
I don't think there is anything wrong for Six to be, i dunno, less connected with human feelings, a level of disconnect from the feelings of others can be a good thing, especially when it's someone who so easily connects to those feelings.
Also i'm biased towards anything Moon.
Unless convinced otherwise, going with this.
I don't think there is anything wrong for Six to be, i dunno, less connected with human feelings, a level of disconnect from the feelings of others can be a good thing, especially when it's someone who so easily connects to those feelings.
Also i'm biased towards anything Moon.
Probably a copy-paste thing. SSC is a G4 stage and it would be strange if it didn't give dice to the next level. The bracket after 2 stones per week also still says (4 per turn) when it should be (8 per turn)
Btw. Those 86 xp still in the level are omake xp, so it isnt such a big deal if they stay. We actually needed the omake power to carry us to SSC after all
[] Melodies of the Spirit Seekers (Lean in to the problem of empathy and how to solve it. Improves Sixiang's Wind affinity. Lower Chance of Positive result)
I feel like if we go the Muse route all that will do is roll Six back to where they were and ultimately just delay this problem. There's no reason to think this issue won't just crop up again at a later point.
I feel like if we go the Muse route all that will do is roll Six back to where they were and ultimately just delay this problem. There's no reason to think this issue won't just crop up again at a later point.
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DangerKitty
shoddy writter
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- lala land
@yrsillar this is a curiosity and lore thing im curious about. If were no supposed to know yet its cool, but what happens if we were to keep pushing sixiang to be wind aspected. Is there a point where she would no longer be considered a dreaming moon spirit and become a wind spirit. Like could it actually change what kind of spirit she is? And if so would doing so sever her comnection with dreaming moon in the sense that she cant go back home anymore?
Sorry if this has been talked about before. I was just curious about the effects of spirit cultivation
Sorry if this has been talked about before. I was just curious about the effects of spirit cultivation
DangerKitty
shoddy writter
- Location
- lala land
[X] Melodies of the Spirit Seekers (Lean in to the problem of empathy and how to solve it. Improves Sixiang's Wind affinity. Lower Chance of Positive result)
- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
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- He/Him/His
Moratorium for another 40 minutes, don't vote yet.
I don't see why the muse nature isn't a forward step. It's a step into a secure identity as a muse, rather than the naive identity they had when they were "born," because they had never been anything else and didn't understand anything else. I see it as, like... when a kid is young and has a lot of values for no reason other than "they've been told to," then gets older, sees the bullshit, and rebels... and then as an adult, returns to essentially the same values they had as a child, but with a more mature and secure perspective. That's not a regression to a previous identity, that's a reclamation of that previous identity.
Poked yrs about that, no "rolling back" involved.
The options are just two separate things/problems, Moon option does not do anything about empathy or makes Six lesser then they are now. The Wind option is just the one that pokes around the fact that currently their empathy seems to be set to "max for everyone".
So no need to fear monger about Moon option.
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Third song box said:
Shouldn't that be 4x2=8 green stones per turn?
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- United States of America
Going off of that, I can see why Sixiang has been having so many problems dealing with the 'real' world if they have been operating at max empathy at all times. It can be hard enough to be empathetic to the people you care about, let along for the people who really want to hurt you.
It might also explain a little bit of their distaste for Renxiang. Renxiang was molded by a white who, for all appearances, is really big on order and systems. Sixiang can empathize with Renxiang by feeling what she is feeling regarding different things but those feelings are so viscerally different than what Sixiang knows and wants that it is likely unpleasant for them.
In other news, we can now cultivate while we sleep, and so we should most assuredly sleep some more. This dreamscape of Sixiang's is amazing, beautiful, useful, and helpful for Sixiang. I want to be able to explore it and see if we can't glean inspiration from it for our own endeavors.
It might also explain a little bit of their distaste for Renxiang. Renxiang was molded by a white who, for all appearances, is really big on order and systems. Sixiang can empathize with Renxiang by feeling what she is feeling regarding different things but those feelings are so viscerally different than what Sixiang knows and wants that it is likely unpleasant for them.
In other news, we can now cultivate while we sleep, and so we should most assuredly sleep some more. This dreamscape of Sixiang's is amazing, beautiful, useful, and helpful for Sixiang. I want to be able to explore it and see if we can't glean inspiration from it for our own endeavors.
- Location
- Finland
Yeah, it would be kinda weird if we had an option to just roll back a person to an earlier version of themselves.
Forgot about the mortarium rule here. Used to seeing mortarium notices at the bottom of each post and didn't see one.
Wasn't trying to fear monger, it's my understanding that it's Six's Nature as a Muse and it's conflict with the realities of the Waking World that is causing their current problem. I figure that if all we do is reinforce their Nature as a Muse but keep them as our Spirit that this clash will simply rear its head again after a time or after another significant conflict. Perhaps it will take a more significant incident than now becuase their Nature will have been reinforced by this but the base conflict is still there.
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- Location
- Finland
They are a person in a world with other persons, conflicts are inevitable.
I see no reason to assume the same conflict will appear just because we decide to do this thing.
The two options are about different things. Six nature as a spirit muse is what is causing problems yes, but one of the options does not regress them. The Wind option just directly pokes the problem they got in their empathy. Six atm feels to much.
The Moon option is harder to see what it is about. Not seen a clean point on that yet, my personal interpretation is that it is about Six fear. They mention in the update that the fear they feel has made them lesser as a muse. And it seems to be crippling them.
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The problem is that as a Muse conflict goes against their base Nature. They're used to simply floating from dream to dream with no real concern and simply going with the flow without any grounded context of what the dreams really mean. As a Spirit bound to us they will experience conflict and tough choices that have real consequences which, again, goes against their Nature as a free floating spirit of dreams that can normally do as they like with no care to the consequences of what they do. Because dreams simply fade away so what ever they do in them will mean very little unlike the Waking World where their actions have real, tangible, results.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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- Tempe, AZ
[X] Playful Muse Rapport (Try to help Sixiang reclaim their nature as a muse. Increases Sixiang's Moon affinity. Higher chance of positive result)
Someone does not need to become more human to have developed as a person. That is just human bias talking.
Someone does not need to become more human to have developed as a person. That is just human bias talking.
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- Finland
Again, the vote says nothing about this being temporary fix, last vote did.
So assuming that this is somekind of trap feels weird to me. Might as well argue that voting for the wind option would make Six go insane because she is no longer a muse.
Nah, i think reinforcing her Muse nature will make her strong enough to deal with the conflict, without loosing her identity as a muse.