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So fun fact I realized when reading over the current discussion.
I think this buffs the P. Armor calc with the new skill.
I think this buffs the P. Armor calc with the new skill.
Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)
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I dunno... what are the chances that Han Jian and his other buddies are getting pulled home as well? Do we know if Han Jian was an only child? His dad is clan heir, IIRC. So who knows if they decide to risk him.
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holy shit that's hilarious they're a branch house that lost the secret ingredient omfg. New Legendary Beast of Ducal Gu will be Zhen. We'll have Gui xPId lol if the Lu's secret ingredient was Yang Wood tho
Zhengui is a pretty good case study in how that could be made to work
Like Gork n Mork. We can trade off whenever comfortable between who's the Gui and who's the Zhen.
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Might well be.Id lol if the Lu's secret ingredient was Yang Wood tho
Zhengui is a pretty good case study in how that could be made to work
We do know the Gu setup is significantly flawed at the lower levels.
We also know from Yanmei that its common practice to figure out their splash element at Yellow(probably because you can't rely on having Sun stuff yet and racing to the bottom is not sustainable without it)
-Red: Fire blasting at range.
-Yellow: Able to Gamble health for boosts to flame/heavens stuff, Battle Continuation(probably tied to the health gamble, it seems an intrinsic requirement to not be very dumb), flame melee attacks.
-Green: Sun meridians unlocked. Sun's difference from Fire is that its a source of power in its own right, that it has Rises Again after going out, and we know it can heal and has some affinity for flight.
I.e. a Red/Yellow Gu is basically a Gundam running on battery power, with weapons which can eat 20-100% of the tank at one go. At Green they start installing that nuclear reactor, and can sustain their full bore options.
...I would not be surprised if after stabilizing the reactor output they also included a nuclear selfdestruct.
Han Jian has older siblings, iirc. Whether he stays on at the sect basically depends on if his hero general father thinks it's a good learning environment. The Gu have different priorities because they aren't already producing Violets on the reg. The Han are. Also, Han Jian's performance is worse, on top of his clan being less desperate for Talents.
It's plausible if Han Jian stays on, his clan uses it as another brick in their wall of obstruction to Gu advancement.
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Wood is Great to protect the reactor. Specifically TRF gives Temp HP boxes and Lanlan gets a boost at low health. She can get low, pop Temp HP boxes over the wounds, and be safer while running that reactor on High Output. They wouldn't still be pressing on her if Sun alone would be enough to stabilize her. It's just not likely, we see from Liling that they get around the sac-needs out there by draining a spirit. I think Lanlan's build could use some safety while running up into nuclear biggatons, and she loves her connections she just had to break out of them really badly
she needs to be given the space to choose her connections and revel in them <3
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Where did you get the idea that Xiulan's arm being a blend of charred meat and lightning is a result of her getting into a fight from? We've known for a good long while that her tribulation of having her arm struck by lightning resulted in lingering disfiguring effects that wouldn't go away until her cultivation powered up enough. Like, the idea that the lightning strike never really went away and hung out in her arm as a boost (but damages her flesh because Xiulan's soul/body isn't potent enough to shrug off the physical consequences of hosting lightning) very much meshes with the general setting.
This is bull. Your entire argument here is that the domain interaction cannot possibly be caused by Ling Qi's domain because the word you picked out to describe the fluff doesn't match perfectly to the keywords of the crunch, which is nothing more than semantics.
It falls apart completely if you don't assume that the fire metaphor is inherent to the domain interactions themselves as opposed to being Xiulan's domain's expression of said interaction. For example, if you describe the interaction as "magnifying", "enhancing", or "intensifying" there's very little incongruence with the known effect where Ling Qi's domain buffs people she has sufficiently close bonds with.
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Iirc Han Jian is the only child, hence why he was, well, that much of a disappointment.
But the big thing here is that while it's understandable to not put the heir and the spare in the same battlefield, the Han heir is actually the dad, and Han Jian is at best the heir's first son, with multiple people being opponents to his dad for the heir role. He does think his branch of the family is not stable at all, after all.
So it depends if it's considered too weak to pull him out, or if it could be considered an opportunity for him to stay.
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Should probably get around to voting...
[X] Drop the thought, even with this incursion, they had been safe. Increase the security of the house, but let her family stay here. (-2 Green Stones, family remains in unsafe area)
If it were Xiangmen I would probably be a lot more inclined to sending the family away, but a barony just a bit further north I would prefer to keep them close.
So, back to the TRF discussion, does anyone remember what the aspects of wood actually are, was it cooperation and growth?
If so growth certainly fits Xuilan's goals and I think her recent experiences will maybe make her more open to the cooperation aspects, both in that she's seen effectiveness (the militia squads, our self, her spirit) and in that she may desire to look into that (us getting shanked).
Maybe I'm wrong and wood fails completely, but as I've said before I'd rather we try and fail than do nothing and hear she's died, knowing there was something we could have done to at least try to change it.
[X] Drop the thought, even with this incursion, they had been safe. Increase the security of the house, but let her family stay here. (-2 Green Stones, family remains in unsafe area)
If it were Xiangmen I would probably be a lot more inclined to sending the family away, but a barony just a bit further north I would prefer to keep them close.
So, back to the TRF discussion, does anyone remember what the aspects of wood actually are, was it cooperation and growth?
If so growth certainly fits Xuilan's goals and I think her recent experiences will maybe make her more open to the cooperation aspects, both in that she's seen effectiveness (the militia squads, our self, her spirit) and in that she may desire to look into that (us getting shanked).
Maybe I'm wrong and wood fails completely, but as I've said before I'd rather we try and fail than do nothing and hear she's died, knowing there was something we could have done to at least try to change it.
Core themes are strength in unity, the might of the ancient forests and regrowth from losses.
That said we don't get to write in.
If Ling Qi thinks Xiulan would react positively then she'd offer the option. Otherwise this is just a small group of posters getting very focused on a pet idea, and may go the same way as the last half dozen of those.
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Look, your entire argument seems to be
1. We have a line of text that indicates that Xiulan's domain interacted with ours
2. Ling Qi's domain doesn't explicitly say that it boosts domains
3. So it must be Xiulan's domain that doest the boosting.
You're basing this entire line of logic off of a single instance where our domain should have been boosting Xiulan and attributing it solely to Xiulan's domain. Do you recognize the inconsistency in that? We know Ling Qi's domain is supposed to boost Xiulan but you attribute any indication in the narrative that Xiulan is getting boosted to Xiulan's domain? That very same domain which we have no information on, at all. It seems to me to be the height of wishful thinking and simply ignoring the most direct explanation in lieu of a fantastical idea.
Furthermore, I'm not discussing the merits of TRF and Xiulan. That has never entered this discussion regarding Ling Qi and Xiulan's domain, and I am refusing to let it. Feel free to discuss it with others, but I'm not going to engage with it further.
There is, however, a simple way to resolve this matter.
@yrsillar what is this:
referring to. Xiulan's domain boosting itself because of Ling Qi, or Ling Qi's domain boosting Xiulan?
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Last word on TRF for me though is that I agree with veekie that it's really just an idea thought up by a bunch of voters, and it doesn't always pan out. But I still think it should be brought to attention/at least tried to be argued for, as that's my main argument for using it in the first place.
Anyway let's get away from that. I really want to discuss what people think is going to be available to do during this war arc. The expedition sounds like an option, which I believe we can get into either from our su ling connection or political power. I think there will be raiding, both of camps and other raids. Probably defense stuff too. I'm also expecting the sect to open up new resources, and to give out more things in a bid to increase the disciples powers. Maybe increase the rewards for contributions/moving up the ranks?
Anyway let's get away from that. I really want to discuss what people think is going to be available to do during this war arc. The expedition sounds like an option, which I believe we can get into either from our su ling connection or political power. I think there will be raiding, both of camps and other raids. Probably defense stuff too. I'm also expecting the sect to open up new resources, and to give out more things in a bid to increase the disciples powers. Maybe increase the rewards for contributions/moving up the ranks?
He's saying a cultivator's personality influences the insight one gets from an art so the insight she gets is shaped by her personality
And even if she got the insight you guys want her to have, she can just choose not to slot the insight
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...I'll just summarize this really quickly so we can move on. TRF's side is the belief that there is only so many types of insights that can be taken from an art, no matter her personality. And TRF should have mostly healthy and "good" insights to hopefully lessen her fatalism. There should only be so far personality can warp or change an insight gained from an art.
And it's not about slotting it. That's a hope, yes. But it's also a hope to add wood to her elements, and as a symbolic sign of our connection. It's an attempt, and just as she could not cultivate it and/or slot the insight in, she could do the opposite and put it in. The hope is to at least try, because if we don't even make the attempt nothing is going to happen.
Okay, like Veekie said it's just been an argument among us voters, and unless it comes up as an option there is no real point discussing it anymore. So let's continue to another topic, whether it be barbaric actions, our coming actions, the expedition or anything else. Let's just not stay stuck on this because no one is convincing the other side right now without WoG.
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Husbando wars?
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I wish. But sadly I think both the thread and Ling Qi are not ready.Husbando wars?
And thats an acknowledged risk.
Which is fine, since a perfect solution to that problem doesnt really exist
No, it literally is.
This elemental stuff is just muddying the waters with people grasping at straws and worsening the argument by association. Its flatly wrong, and folks are right to call you out on it
...My entire argument is that Xiulans Way is compatible with TRFs insights, and used examples of how that Domain appears in the text to buttress said claims.
Me referencing that scene in particular was to countermand your own absurd position that Xiulans Domain was entirely self-centered.
So now you're reverting to a joke of a strawman
This is the tangent that I initially responded to, proposed by Veekie.
This is you claiming that I'm mistaken in that potential read and bringing this into a case of your speculation being objectively correct, whereas ample evidence exists in narrative of Xiulan defining herself by said bonds.
Speculation is fine and all, but dont try and use nonsensical reductionism where it doesnt apply.
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While your larger argument is that Xiulan's way is compatible with TRF's insights, that's not what I am engaging with. I am specifically engaging with speculation you've used to support that argument and calling that speculation out as unlikely to improbable. I have not engaged with the larger argument you've been trying to make and my arguments should have no reflection on your larger argument. The reason for that is because I've not talked about TRF or Xiulan's compatibility with wood at all. I'm still entirely confused about why you keep trying to pull me into the TRF argument.
As for your referencing that scene in particular to rebut my absurd position... you clearly don't recall what started this whole discussion:
In support of this argument you used the same scene we are talking about:
So to claim, now, that you are referencing this scene to rebut my argument when this scene is the entirety of the discussion between us, is absurd. I'm not discussing TRF's compatibility with Xiulan, I'm not discussing Xiulan's compatibility with Wood, I was simply pointing out that to claim this scene supports a contention that Xiulan gets power from bonds is unsupported. You've decided to argue that it does. Fine, make those arguments that this scene supports that contention and back it up with evidence. But don't try and twist my arguments to be something they are not.
And you are correct. I am saying that you are wrong in your reading of that scene. I do not believe that Xiulan defines herself by her bonds. She defines herself by her pride and ambition. And there is ample narrative evidence to support that. Certainly more than the scant evidence that Xiulan defines herself by her bonds with others.
And that's all that matters.
You trying to divvy up said larger argument into bite-sized strawmans flat out doesn't work.
You can either engage it in good faith, or concede the point if all you can do is invent smaller points of conflict to try and discredit said larger point. Especially when you arent even arguing from a factual position.
Merely a rhetorical one
Maybe a speculative one if we're being generous and assume you just worded your arguments poorly
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No my point with the slotting thing is that's the best hope. But TRF also has symbolic importance. And if it leads to her cultivating more wood element, and she doesn't slot the insight she gains here but eventually slots another wood insight the goal would hopefully be achieved. TRF giving the insight is the best result, but to pretend it's the only result possible, that it's only a fail or success is wrong. There are degrees of success here, and if we don't give TRF we don't gain access to them.
Ummm, a big part of her domain/way is keeping up with others. It's practically made from her bonds. Sure it's her ambition and pride, and unlike ours not focused on bonds as the end result. But to declare its not a major part of her way is absurd. Because we surpassed her, her sister's genius and other factors is she so focused on power and moving forward and keeping up. Keeping up with her bonds is a huge part of what led/defined her way as we know it.
Edit: I will make it clear that this isn't me supporting TehChrons theory, as we have literally only seen the interaction between our domains once and it is more likely that it was our domain buffing hers. She could have drawn power from our presence, but there is no real way to prove that either way without WoG so I can't support it.
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I mean, the first (second chronologically) Xiulan interlude is literally her defining her drive and motivation post-tribulation by wanting Han Jian romantically and seeking to keep up with Ling Qi as a Cultivator.
Since we know that the Way stuff interfering with slotting those calming influences Xiulan mentioned in the most recent interlude is tied to the same incident, pretending that Xiulans bonds have nothing to do with her cultivation is not only patently false.
It's manifest dishonesty masking itself as confident speculation
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I don't think you know what a strawman argument is. Because my argument certainly isn't.
I'm not exaggerating your position regarding Xiulan and TRF, I've made no comment about whether I think Xiulan and TRF will work, I have not even said that your larger argument fails if this point fails. None of that is happening. I've made no arguments against or for your larger argument due to this discussion.
I'm not divvying up a larger argument into bite-sized portions to argue against. The only argument I'm concerned about is this argument about whether the scene we are discussing is caused by Xiulan's domain or by Ling Qi's domain. It has no bearing on your larger argument other than you made a bad point and I'm discussing it and you've chosen to defend it.
So you can either engage with this argument we are having in good faith, or concede the point if all you are trying to do is drag this argument back to your TRF argument.
Yeah, I disagree. She compares herself to others, but she's not focused on keeping up with others. She wants power, and that is the core of her focus. It's not to keep up with Ling Qi or her sisters, it's about shining brighter than everyone around her.
And thats fine. I think your ameliorating influence of wood elements is funny, but like you I'm also aware that my position is mostly speculation and wishful thinking
The difference here is that narrative evidence supports my position, rather than Thor's Twins claim that Xiulan defines herself as a lone wolf who dont need no friends.
You're chopping up my position into indistinct chunks and claiming theyre seperate arguments to knock them down in detail.
Strawmans are positions you yourself advance merely to argue against them.
You are inventing strawmans with your approach.
You are also advancing a manifestly false interpretation of Xiulans character, but that's a seperate matter on its own.
Edit: hell, might as well
As I said.
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