The Long Founding (Warhammer 40k)
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Again we have no idea who favor we have it could just be the emperor's favor or someone else but warp is hurt more so there is that
Grey Knights, weren't created by The Emperor. The Emperor only begun the project, read: he demanded that Malcador does all the work and then took credit for it, Malcador then taken recruits from across the galaxy to create Inquisition and Grey Knights.
It is mentioned that Grey Knight geneseed is special and was modified, it lacks gene-flaws of other Chapter and was "gifted with Emperor own flesh and soul" beyond that, there's no indication, suggestion or statement that Grey Knights are any different from other Astartes. They specifically still use geneseed to create new Grey Knights, are specifically called a Chapter over and over again, and are desribed as Space Marines.
If lack of gene-flaws is supposed to indicate that they aren't Astartes, then neither are Ultramarines.
Here are the screenshots from Grey Knights codex 5th edition.
It's not ambiguous. Phlegyras is specifically called a Astartes.
"Outwardly, he was one of us – his bulky physique was unarguably the result of Adeptus Astartes genetic enhancement"
He is pointed out to be a Pariah, it's constantly described that he is disrupting Hyperion Psyker abilities, he is over and over again described as Blank, it's pretty clear from description that other Ferrymen are similar, Hyperion comments how his hatred towards Phlegyras is irrational and of course, Phlegyras refuses to answer the question beyond smiling at Hyperion.
Author doesn't have to flat out state something, to explain a information to the reader, you know, show don't tell? It's pretty clear that Phlegyras was a Grey Knight, and so were other Ferrymen and that they propably all Blanks like Phlegyras is.
40k is way more diverse and allows for way more things within itself, than many fans want to belief.
Anyway, for now, I support the idea of Entrenchment and Librarians for the Chapter, I really don't want to know what, bunch of zealos adherents for Imperial Truth would do if force to train any Chaplains, let alone dedicate themselves to large amount of them.
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I'm genuinely curious, even if it was possible would you ride on the giant ball of human arms and legs attached to a giant mouth?
Verdant Purview
AN: This entire Omake is based on the aftermath of this battle.
And now, I'm sleepy.
Omake: The Verdant Purview
High Farseer Eldrad Ulthran, de facto leader of the Ulthwé Craftworld, the Greatest Farseer of the remnant Aeldari race and a tired Eldar, manages to maintain his stoic countenance as the Seer Council of Ulthwé rambled, ranted and roared towards each other whilst their aides, other Farseers-in-training, merely looked forward.
Wanting to return to his meditations and having no patience for the arrogance of his fellow Seers (despite being more arrogant than all of them combined) Eldrad simply hit his Staff, immediately acquiring peace from the Seer Council and seeing the other Eldars relax, though just a bit.
"Enough. We shall settle this debate now lest we devolve into another series of arguments that I'd rather not spend time with." Eldrad maintained his gaze towards the Seer Council before he continued, "Now, I shall lay upon this council once more a simple question: do we establish a relationship with the Verdant Eyes?"
Immediately upon ending his words, Farseer Yhyr-Rhien, a Seer that made a name for himself for preventing the destruction of Lathruë, a vital Maiden World that maintains and manufactures Asuryani weaponry, stood up, "I say we should. Our Craftworld has been lacking in partners and, as much as we don't want to admit it, Ulthwé needs allies."
"I reject that notion, Yhyr-Rien. We've been doing fine for ten thousand years without the support of the Mon-Keigh, and we don't need it now." Yvralliae Shadowstrider, named the Hero of Sternaghid VII for her successful rescue of ten thousand Eldars with limited support from the Craftworld, voiced her opinion as her fellow detractors expressed similar opinions.
"Yhyr-Rien is right, Yvralliae. It's better that we have steadfast allies within the Imperium than not. If you want, then ask those Biel-Tan pricks for an alliance and watch Ulthwé be brought to ruin." Nymillyn Highstrike, known as the Savior of Zu'lasa for her deeds of stopping the followers of She-Who-Thirst from converting Zu'lasa to depravity, expressed her support as those who wanted to form ties with the Verdant Eyes indicated their support for a diplomatic relationship with the Sons of Vulcan.
Once more, he saw the Seer Council, the greatest of what the Ulthwé Craftworld can bear, squabble like newborn babies. Not too long, after amusing himself from the actions of his fellow Farseers, brought his spear down once more, causing silence within the room.
"To stop this august council from devolving into a screaming contest, I shall initiate the vote now: raise your hand in favor of forming diplomatic ties with the Verdant Eyes." Eldrad saw five Seers raise their hand in support while the other five didn't. Eldrad could only sigh as he was put into a position that he'd rather not be in.
On one hand, the Verdant Eyes had proven to be more pragmatic than he expected with how the Sons of Vulkan preferred to stop their race's petty rival in favor of stopping the Thousand Sons from transforming the planet of the sector the Verdant Eyes into Daemon planets and thus, forming a major warp rift that'll cause numerous Aeldari lives to fall into the grasp of She-Who-Thirst.
On the other hand, he shall risk allowing the Verdant Eyes to gleam information about the Craftworld and with how the Verdant Eyes are filled with talented Psykers who're almost as skilled with a high-ranking Ulthwé Farseer, sooner or later, he might bring ruination to the Craftworld.
A moment of silence dominated the room as the Seer Council looked on Eldrad before finally, Eldrad opened his eyes that is filled with weariness yet cautious optimism. "Send the word, though we must maintain caution. If they ever deliver a hint of treachery to our proposal, we shall bring the full might of Ulthwé to their precious sector. Yhyr-Rien, have our most skilled Farseer be the messenger and bring an appropriate number of troops in case the Verdant Eyes sees this proposal negatively."
Here, he gave a look to Yvralliae Shadowstrider, "Yvralliae, send word to Biel-Tan that if Ulthwé were to be betrayed or made foul by the Verdant Eyes, we shall bear the might of two Craftworlds upon the Fortuna Sector."
Seeing Yvralliae's smile gracing her features, he turned his head to the rest of the council, "As for the rest, we shall prepare for departure. Have the Craftworld be ready to travel to Fortuna and let Isha be our witness."
Wanting to return to his meditations and having no patience for the arrogance of his fellow Seers (despite being more arrogant than all of them combined) Eldrad simply hit his Staff, immediately acquiring peace from the Seer Council and seeing the other Eldars relax, though just a bit.
"Enough. We shall settle this debate now lest we devolve into another series of arguments that I'd rather not spend time with." Eldrad maintained his gaze towards the Seer Council before he continued, "Now, I shall lay upon this council once more a simple question: do we establish a relationship with the Verdant Eyes?"
Immediately upon ending his words, Farseer Yhyr-Rhien, a Seer that made a name for himself for preventing the destruction of Lathruë, a vital Maiden World that maintains and manufactures Asuryani weaponry, stood up, "I say we should. Our Craftworld has been lacking in partners and, as much as we don't want to admit it, Ulthwé needs allies."
"I reject that notion, Yhyr-Rien. We've been doing fine for ten thousand years without the support of the Mon-Keigh, and we don't need it now." Yvralliae Shadowstrider, named the Hero of Sternaghid VII for her successful rescue of ten thousand Eldars with limited support from the Craftworld, voiced her opinion as her fellow detractors expressed similar opinions.
"Yhyr-Rien is right, Yvralliae. It's better that we have steadfast allies within the Imperium than not. If you want, then ask those Biel-Tan pricks for an alliance and watch Ulthwé be brought to ruin." Nymillyn Highstrike, known as the Savior of Zu'lasa for her deeds of stopping the followers of She-Who-Thirst from converting Zu'lasa to depravity, expressed her support as those who wanted to form ties with the Verdant Eyes indicated their support for a diplomatic relationship with the Sons of Vulcan.
Once more, he saw the Seer Council, the greatest of what the Ulthwé Craftworld can bear, squabble like newborn babies. Not too long, after amusing himself from the actions of his fellow Farseers, brought his spear down once more, causing silence within the room.
"To stop this august council from devolving into a screaming contest, I shall initiate the vote now: raise your hand in favor of forming diplomatic ties with the Verdant Eyes." Eldrad saw five Seers raise their hand in support while the other five didn't. Eldrad could only sigh as he was put into a position that he'd rather not be in.
On one hand, the Verdant Eyes had proven to be more pragmatic than he expected with how the Sons of Vulkan preferred to stop their race's petty rival in favor of stopping the Thousand Sons from transforming the planet of the sector the Verdant Eyes into Daemon planets and thus, forming a major warp rift that'll cause numerous Aeldari lives to fall into the grasp of She-Who-Thirst.
On the other hand, he shall risk allowing the Verdant Eyes to gleam information about the Craftworld and with how the Verdant Eyes are filled with talented Psykers who're almost as skilled with a high-ranking Ulthwé Farseer, sooner or later, he might bring ruination to the Craftworld.
A moment of silence dominated the room as the Seer Council looked on Eldrad before finally, Eldrad opened his eyes that is filled with weariness yet cautious optimism. "Send the word, though we must maintain caution. If they ever deliver a hint of treachery to our proposal, we shall bring the full might of Ulthwé to their precious sector. Yhyr-Rien, have our most skilled Farseer be the messenger and bring an appropriate number of troops in case the Verdant Eyes sees this proposal negatively."
Here, he gave a look to Yvralliae Shadowstrider, "Yvralliae, send word to Biel-Tan that if Ulthwé were to be betrayed or made foul by the Verdant Eyes, we shall bear the might of two Craftworlds upon the Fortuna Sector."
Seeing Yvralliae's smile gracing her features, he turned his head to the rest of the council, "As for the rest, we shall prepare for departure. Have the Craftworld be ready to travel to Fortuna and let Isha be our witness."
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Here is a quest from me what is the closest approximate of a Living Saint becuase I want to know are they technically daemons?
Yeah I probably would if it's been well trained and there's superhuman warriors watching me.
If they actually were people, then it would be Daemon Princes not just Daemons. Regardless, doesn't matter either way. Our Chapter can bully them as they please, same with Greater Daemons.
Nice ta have ya aboard TempestK.
Grimm grew up as a poor person in a high crime area on Mars
He knows how to throw fist when he's not duel wielding plasma pistils and has the biological augments to make it work for him.
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Hey undead frog, since our Grimm is doing pretty good at this bio stuff would we be able to solve the Space Wolf issue to get them Successors?
I remember the Space Wolves themselves got pretty close before Magnus fucked that up and with the Primaris they got successors so I was wondering if our boy could pull it off.
Or perhaps doing some ther bio stuff like working towards Primaris our self, trying to reduce gene seed issues in loyal chapters like the Black Rage or even helping some chapters recover lost abilities like the Imperial Fists.
If we want to go really far out there could we get a tech guy to start slowly improving Space Marine gear?
I remember the Space Wolves themselves got pretty close before Magnus fucked that up and with the Primaris they got successors so I was wondering if our boy could pull it off.
Or perhaps doing some ther bio stuff like working towards Primaris our self, trying to reduce gene seed issues in loyal chapters like the Black Rage or even helping some chapters recover lost abilities like the Imperial Fists.
If we want to go really far out there could we get a tech guy to start slowly improving Space Marine gear?
Said fucking Eldar -_-
Surprised no one has mentioned this yet but these two traits have some serious synergy together and will feed into each other. Also good luck in trying to sway these guys opinions on anything.
Bile has found his people.
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They are a train going off the rails at maximum possible speed and they are daring any god to try to stop them or save the people about to be run over.
If I was good at editing images I would make a meme using that guy just not caring about the guy with the gun and just switch with this chapter and the chaos gods
I just imagine this scene.
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I'm just imagining the Age of Apostasy happening, and suddenly Vandire finds all of Grimm's Long Founding Chapters showing up and making a formal complaint….
With Bolter Fire.
With Bolter Fire.
Adrian XXIV
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I was thinking about swapping Secondary Geneseed (from Word Bearers to Emperor's Children) in my idea for Blood Angels Successor Chapter, but if they get both Blood Angels's flaws and Blight, then I don't think they will survived long
Oh Grimm is not going to be happy during the Age of Apostasy and you can bet he'll be joining in on the siege of his place.
Cuz one of the ways the admech is going to keep Vandire off of their case early on is going to be making Grimm work on some of Vandire's 'brilliant' requests.
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Necho, is that you?
Adrian XXIV
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Wait, did Lightbringers didn't have great rolls about Age of Aposthasy?
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As someone brought up Entrenchment is a must considering that it's been mentioned we are really going to want to go hard on defense for when the Age of Apostasy rolls around. Since it was pointed out that worlds that practiced things like the Imperial Truth tended to be wiped out.
We actually do want our chapter to succeed and for that we are going to need to drastically increase the chances of them actually surviving what's to come. Especially considering that they are likely going to butt heads with the Imperial Church a lot. We also want said defenses to protect worlds they managed to convert, especially during the age of Apostasy.
On the topic of Chaplains, as others have pointed out this chapter is pretty much straight up next to impossible for chaos to corrupt due to all their trait combos including weakening anything related to the Chaos Gods. In fact it seems like they would be outright detrimental since they may make the chapter too extreme and that kind of thing never ends well.
I think for the second trait we would want something like Counter Intelligence since as noted we are likely going to be dealing with a lot of fanatical assholes messing with this chapter. The zealous and fanatical Inquisitors especially are likely going to be an issue.
We actually do want our chapter to succeed and for that we are going to need to drastically increase the chances of them actually surviving what's to come. Especially considering that they are likely going to butt heads with the Imperial Church a lot. We also want said defenses to protect worlds they managed to convert, especially during the age of Apostasy.
On the topic of Chaplains, as others have pointed out this chapter is pretty much straight up next to impossible for chaos to corrupt due to all their trait combos including weakening anything related to the Chaos Gods. In fact it seems like they would be outright detrimental since they may make the chapter too extreme and that kind of thing never ends well.
I think for the second trait we would want something like Counter Intelligence since as noted we are likely going to be dealing with a lot of fanatical assholes messing with this chapter. The zealous and fanatical Inquisitors especially are likely going to be an issue.
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So for training, Entrenchment and Counter-Intelligence.
What about Equipment?
What about Equipment?
Grimm: "No I will not make an entire chapter who looks like you! You hear me! I know you are in there!"
~Grimm during the one man siege of the Imperial Palace.
I say for equipment specialist ammo if we want a second maybe thunderhawks