BobTheNinja
Sword of Possibility
- Location
- Multiverse Sector Texas
At this point, I think I'm leaning toward either The Shamed, Inedibility, Breadbasket, or Reinforcing Obscuris, especially if any of these are time-sensitive.
The Long Founding (Warhammer 40k)
- Thread starter undead frog
- Start date
Not at the moment no.
I have a great idea. Let Grimm be this idiot. He did already mix Thousand Sons and Salamanders, so this will be in character.
[] Plan: Wraith Kings.
-[] OP-4: The Assassinorum wants a chapter of Space Marines to practice against… Including combat trials. They have vowed to not actually kill them all and render ALL OF YOUR WORK POINTLESS. How... kind of them.
Goal: Create an anti-stealth Chapter.
-[] Traitor Legion Geneseed: If you wish, you could gain access to the gene-seed of the Traitor Legions. Each will have its benefits and costs, but all of them will have their gene-fathers concealed for practical reasons - little point creating a Chapter only for them to be wiped out by some overly paranoid fool. Write in a traitor legion. 10 Points for each time this is taken.
--[] World Eaters.
--[] Night Lords.
-[] Secondary Gene-Seed: The key component for creating Chimeric Gene-Seed. You're honestly surprised Guiliman approved of this one - then again, you did hear him grumbling about some idiots who were suggesting mixing Night Lord and World Eater templates, so maybe he just wanted to make the concept your problem before somebody did something completely moronic. 25 Points for one charge, choose 1 legion to be the donor for the secondary Gene-Seed. Burn 1 charge and traits from the donor chapter are added for a roll, or a separate charge of potent gene-seed can be spent for a separate roll on the donor legion's trait list as well as an acquisition of the secondary legions 'base' traits.
--[] World Eaters.
-[] Potent Gene-Seed Charge: Some samples of a chapter's gene-seed are more likely to retain their stronger traits, and you have isolated such samples. 5 Points for each charge. Burn a charge to make the chapter roll for two traits from their parent legion. 3x.
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- Location
- United States
The more I look at it, I don't think The Shamed really need 60 points. It could be a 40 point chapter. Easily, if we use loyalist non-legendary geneseed.
Meanwhile, if the Inedible chapter is to be heavy on vehicle combat, it will need the points to unlock and use all those extra types of vehicles.
Meanwhile, if the Inedible chapter is to be heavy on vehicle combat, it will need the points to unlock and use all those extra types of vehicles.
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- He/Him
Is there any way to burn Rep for either more points or different options?
Legions Meme
Word Bearers are literally right here, we already brought them, and are perfect for Shamed request. Even better is the fact, that everyone was upset, that we were giving Traitor Legions "more attention" and that "other Legions deserve love too!" and yet, for most of the quest, we were using mostly Loyalists or at best, Loyalist mix.
No. It just to show how well we are doing and so, make us feel warm and fuzzy inside.
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- He/Him
If rather be an Iron warrior with more points than a Salamander upholding Imperial Virtue
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- She
I'm not sure if you're asking or being rhetorical, so take this as you will.
I don't think that such a thing is applicable at all in this particular quest. We are focusing on creating chapters of marines, not on research.
I do think that such a thing could be possible, if extremely tricky, likely to take ages, and requiring very exacting circumstances. But I am also aware I tend to be rather optimistic about such things, even if the setting discourages such.
I think it's because people in this thread are very scared of the chapter falling to chaos if we do a chapter with the geneseed that is monogod dedicated.
- Location
- Borderworld, Xen
The funny thing about this chapter is it has the potential to be really wholesome actually? You have the Empathic abilities of the World Eaters and the sense of Justice from the Night Lords...
Personally I think Night Lord and Alpha Legion is a scarier mix. They'd set up long complicated and subtle horror scenarios.
- Location
- USA
…Hey, how good at defending a place would an Imperial Fist/Iron Warriors Hybrid be?
Maximum Defense and Offense On the Next Level!
Yeah, I know. I was just going of the assumptions, both those out of and in universe. Beside, if nothing else, Blood Angels didn't get the wings, so without Legendary geneseed, it's perfectly possible for this Chapter to not get the World Eaters empathic abilities, at least not in the plan I made.
First: That's stupid. Keepers of Truth with Word Bearers geneseed didn't fall to Chaos, despite having direct contact and attention of their "brothers", nor did Golden Sons who were made using Thousand Sons mix and they didn't even get attention from The actual Thousand Sons Legion nor any Warbands of the Fifteen.
I think, we can be pretty sure, that even "pure" Traitor geneseed based Chapter, doesn't have to get attention from the actual Traitors. Just because they from Fulgrim, wouldn't make Emperor Children's interested. Also, just considering the fact that this is quest...Yeah. I really don't that Frog would give us "trap option(s)" in the form of Traitor geneseed. In other words, unless we just get bad rolls, the Chapter wouldn't go Renegade, Fall to Chaos or get destroyed and all three can happen if we use Ultrasmurfs or Emo Crows geneseed , it will be just case of getting bad rolls, nothing more.
Second: No one before you made this point, some voters were proposing to use Emperor Children's for defending Ultramar, for the sake of irony. People explicitly made points like "(Blood) Angels deserve love too!" or "I want Grimm to be the best generator not Traitor specialist!". People just were saying we need to "give love" to Loyal Legions we didn't use yet or argued we are using too much Traitor's and need to correct that. Even people arguing against using specific geneseed, didn't make points "they will go Traitor" but "Thousands Sons will get mutations, we can't use them!" You are the first person in the entire quest to make this point.
Third: I really don't think it makes any difference, we used Word Bearers, Iron Warriors, Alpha Legion and Thousand Sons just fine. Again, the last didn't even get attention from Magnus nor Thousand Sons proper.
If Steel Champions didn't get corrupted after fighting Iron Warriors and their Chaos Spawns, there's no reason World Eater would get corrupted, just because Khorne owns Angron ass. Many Chapters fallen to Chaos, without even a hint that they were actually Traitors in origin and not just normal, Loyalist Chapter. When Horus Heresy happened, many Marines from Traitor Legions remained Loyal and vice versa.
It's pretty clear, both in this quest and official material by Games Workshop, that the Chapter "blood" wouldn't influence them. Again, if our Chapter can go Traitor or at least Renegade, it will be due to bad rolls, not because we used Emperor Children instead of Smurfs.
- Location
- USA
[] Plan: DEFEND THE HARVEST
-[ ] Breadbasket: Word has reached the High Lords of a plot to invade one of the Imperium's major food producing regions. Should such a domain fall, entire planets could face lethal famines. Understandably, they want to make sure that a full Chapter of Space Marine is around to protect at least one of these vital regions, as proof against further such attacks.
Goals: Create a chapter world with a (Agri-World Dense Region) Tag.
-[ ] Secondary Gene-Seed (Insert Legion Name): The key component for creating Chimeric Gene-Seed. You're honestly surprised Guiliman approved of this one - then again, you did hear him grumbling about some idiots who were suggesting mixing Night Lord and World Eater templates, so maybe he just wanted to make the concept your problem before somebody did something completely moronic. 25 Points for one charge, choose 1 legion to be the donor for the secondary Gene-Seed. Burn 1 charge and traits from the donor chapter are added for a roll, or a separate charge of potent gene-seed can be spent for a separate roll on the donor legion's trait list as well as an acquisition of the secondary legions 'base' traits.
—[] Iron Warrior
-[ ] Potent Gene-Seed Charge: Some samples of a chapter's gene-seed are more likely to retain their stronger traits, and you have isolated such samples. 5 Points for each charge. Burn a charge to make the chapter roll for two traits from their parent legion. x2
-[ ] Adaptive Gene-Seed: Some samples of Gene-seed are more capable of adapting to different conditions on different planets. 5 Points each charge. Burn a charge to roll an extra planetary trait.
-[ ] More Equipment: You've managed to secure extra equipment for a Chapter. 5 Points. Burn 1 charge to add an extra equipment slot for the Chapter. x2
-[ ] Extra Trainers: With some extra effort and yelling at a few more bureaucrats, you ought to be able to arrange things so the new Chapter is able to get in some extra specialized training before proper deployment. 5 Points. Burn 1 charge to get an extra training option. x2
- Location
- Poland
It's not their parent Legiosn attention people are worried about. It's the fact that World Eaters, Death Guard, Thousand Sons and Emperors Children were explicitly bound by a single Chaos God into their service so there are fears about their gene seed having an inherent corruption factor. Also the Golden Sons aren't really an argument as they are literally blessed by the Emperor, and it was a literal miracle we avoided full on Flesh Change even with his personal attention.
Personally I also don't think Frog would give us a trap option in the form of the gene seed of the four Claimed legions being inherently corruptive too but it's what a lot of people are worried about and I doubt anything but a direct QM Word of God is going to change it.
- Location
- Canada
well from our new options I see the Inquisition is doing Inquisition things, personally I want us to move off Chaos for now, get working on either the Nids or Orks. Basic things that improve the Imperium's Fragile state also are something to consider.
As such i will be voting for plans that are based on these options
( [ ] Ork Hunters:
[ ] Inedibility:
[ ] Testing, Testing:
[ ] OP-4:
[ ] Breadbasket:
[ ] Reinforcing Obscurus:
[ ] Escorts: )
As such i will be voting for plans that are based on these options
( [ ] Ork Hunters:
[ ] Inedibility:
[ ] Testing, Testing:
[ ] OP-4:
[ ] Breadbasket:
[ ] Reinforcing Obscurus:
[ ] Escorts: )
- Location
- Someplace USA
Reinforcing Obscurus
Is interesting vital an inevitable but people seem tied of anti chaos.
Is interesting vital an inevitable but people seem tied of anti chaos.
I understood that? Again, it's pretty clear that they aren't inherently corrupted, otherwise so would be Word Bearers and Iron Warriors. Daemon Prince of Chaos Undivided, is still a Prince of Chaos. I just used "didn't even get attention" to point out the fact, that even Traitor Legions themselves don't have to be interested in the Chapter, let alone Gods of Chaos, who's own many Space Marine Chapter that Fallen to Chaos, beside the Legion themselves.
Some random Warband of Word Bearers was able to drag itself into the Segmentum fucking Solar but Thousand Sons didn't even bother with The Golden Sons who had at least partially Magnus geneseed. And again, Word Bearers also bothered Keepers of Truth due to "being related" thing.
I understood it was about inherent corruption due to Gods, the person I replied to explicitly said monogod. And I pointed out that even Legions themselves don't inherently give a fuck about their "brothers" to emphasize how little sense it makes for the geneseed to be inherently corrupted.
And yes, The Golden Sons are good example. The Emperor attention only made sure we will get buff to the roll so we will roll well. Nothing more. We can make Thousand Sons Chapter, without Emperor or Grimm himself giving any effort, and just by lucky roll we wouldn't suffer any bad mutations.
Also people were worried that we can't use Thousand Sons due to the whole Rubicae thing, arguing they would turn to dust, yet, that didn't happen, neither in the quest nor in official material, where Cawl succesfully experimented with every Legion geneseed.
From "The Dark Imperium".
And again, there were Marines from Traitor Legions, many famous, that remained Loyal. If geneseed itself got bound to Chaos Gods, why even do the whole Istvaan thing and purge Legions from Loyalists? Why wasn't Rylanor slave to Slaanesh that gladly kneeld before Fulgrim to serve the Dark Prince and experience unimaginable pleasures?
The idea that geneseed is bound to Gods is just stupid, and it's clear that geneseed isn't metaphysically corrupted. Otherwise there's no reason why Word Bearers wouldn't be corrupted by default as well, arguably more so, having attention of all Four Gods at the same time, and with their Primarch Lorgar, being arguably the only Traitor Primarch who even willingly had joined Chaos.
And again, you completely ignored the fact, that the person I replied to previously and yourself, are the only people to brought up this idea, no one else did, and argued against using Traitor Legions geneseed for completely different reasons. Reasons that boiled up to "Other Legions need love too!", "We shouldn't use too much Traitors because it would be boorrrinnng!" and "I want Grimm to be the bestes Genetor-as if he wasn't already in the quest-not Traitor specialist!".
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[] Plan: (don't) Fear the Reaper
-[ ] Breadbasket: Word has reached the High Lords of a plot to invade one of the Imperium's major food producing regions. Should such a domain fall, entire planets could face lethal famines. Understandably, they want to make sure that a full Chapter of Space Marine is around to protect at least one of these vital regions, as proof against further such attacks.
Goals: Create a chapter world with a (Agri-World Dense Region) Tag.
-[ ] Traitor Legion Geneseed: If you wish, you could gain access to the gene-seed of the Traitor Legions. Each will have its benefits and costs, but all of them will have their gene-fathers concealed for practical reasons - little point creating a Chapter only for them to be wiped out by some overly paranoid fool. Write in a traitor legion. 10 Points for each time this is taken.
--[ ]Death guard
-[ ] Potent Gene-Seed Charge: Some samples of a chapter's gene-seed are more likely to retain their stronger traits, and you have isolated such samples. 5 Points for each charge. Burn a charge to make the chapter roll for two traits from their parent legion. x2
-[ ] Adaptive Gene-Seed: Some samples of Gene-seed are more capable of adapting to different conditions on different planets. 5 Points each charge. Burn a charge to roll an extra planetary trait.
-[ ] More Equipment: You've managed to secure extra equipment for a Chapter. 5 Points. Burn 1 charge to add an extra equipment slot for the Chapter. x2
-[ ] Extra Trainers: With some extra effort and yelling at a few more bureaucrats, you ought to be able to arrange things so the new Chapter is able to get in some extra specialized training before proper deployment. 5 Points. Burn 1 charge to get an extra training option. x2
Lets give the death guard a more productive use for those scythes
-[ ] Breadbasket: Word has reached the High Lords of a plot to invade one of the Imperium's major food producing regions. Should such a domain fall, entire planets could face lethal famines. Understandably, they want to make sure that a full Chapter of Space Marine is around to protect at least one of these vital regions, as proof against further such attacks.
Goals: Create a chapter world with a (Agri-World Dense Region) Tag.
-[ ] Traitor Legion Geneseed: If you wish, you could gain access to the gene-seed of the Traitor Legions. Each will have its benefits and costs, but all of them will have their gene-fathers concealed for practical reasons - little point creating a Chapter only for them to be wiped out by some overly paranoid fool. Write in a traitor legion. 10 Points for each time this is taken.
--[ ]Death guard
-[ ] Potent Gene-Seed Charge: Some samples of a chapter's gene-seed are more likely to retain their stronger traits, and you have isolated such samples. 5 Points for each charge. Burn a charge to make the chapter roll for two traits from their parent legion. x2
-[ ] Adaptive Gene-Seed: Some samples of Gene-seed are more capable of adapting to different conditions on different planets. 5 Points each charge. Burn a charge to roll an extra planetary trait.
-[ ] More Equipment: You've managed to secure extra equipment for a Chapter. 5 Points. Burn 1 charge to add an extra equipment slot for the Chapter. x2
-[ ] Extra Trainers: With some extra effort and yelling at a few more bureaucrats, you ought to be able to arrange things so the new Chapter is able to get in some extra specialized training before proper deployment. 5 Points. Burn 1 charge to get an extra training option. x2
Lets give the death guard a more productive use for those scythes
"Blood of Heretics is great fertilizer" The Chapter.
- Location
- Third planet from the star named Sol
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- He/They
I don't think we have scythes, but we could give these guys spears. Farming spears, even.
I'm surprised the rebellion crushing SM Chapter with a tendency to replace incompetent governments don't have a relationship with the Inquisition.
Like do Inquisitors something just call in the Silver Owls when they find a case of extreme incompetence or material corruption? Or task them to nip a rebellion in the bud before it can blom?
Do Ordo Xenos call in the Silver Owls to purge a genestealer infestation. Yes there is the Death Watch. But they don't usually don't operate in large consented numbers like normal Chapters and aren't always available.
Do the inquisitors that subscribe to a reformist ideology ever call in the Silver Owls so they can do some planetary "reforms" and experiment with different governments and policies? Or just follow the Silver Owls around and take over once their done ending a rebellion?
Do Inquisitors sometimes show up on a world what was just pacified and exterminatus it? Pissing of the Silver Owls who might try to launch a complaint.
Do the Silver Owls work with the Assassinorums Temples? Considering it's part of their job to keep planetary governments in line. Their collaboration is either the Silver Owls providing a distraction so the Assassins can more easily sneak in, or the Assassins dose sabotage so the Silver Owls can more easily break in.