The Heir of the Dragon: A Rhaenyra Targaryen Quest
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Uh, nothing says that the Valeryon will be on our side now if Laena marries Viserys
Imperious
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If anything it seems to make it a lot more likely that the Velaryons will be against us then for us. Corlys was all but laughing at us when we were talking about his grandson and us being heir.
I thought that was the entire hope of the winning plan. Making Corlys pinky swear that Laena will wait for a few years before she pops out some brats. Then signing some paper that says Laena's kids will marry Rhaenyra's kids.
Essentially tossing our hands up and saying "fine, if your grandkid will be on the throne, it's only gonna be with my kids, so please for the love of god, there's no need try any of that usurping shit".
Imperious
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So we've just given up on being queen in exchange for having our daughter married to Corlys' grandson when he becomes king? Wouldn't that mean this quest's name needs to be changed as we've given up on being heir?
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How the fuck do you come to that reading?
Our kid will be on the throne because we will have been, and his/her kid will follow him, and be both Coryls' and our grandson (or granddaughter).
But really, this whole thing shows why we should marry Laenor, to bind Driftmark's loyalties to us, or at worst divide them. That he can serve as a beard is such a fitting bonus, too. And he is a dragonrider, while we fret over the disposition of every single dragon. It's the perfect mix.
Problems I had with the plan was the incredibly long betrothal period. Not sure I've seen one that long before in Westeros as all the families like to lock the marriage in real quick.
More importantly, the entire reason people are dog-piling Viserys with offers is because they want an extra heir immediately, like right now. Rhaenyra could trip and die on some stairs tomorrow as far as Westeros knows, and then everyone would be left with just Daemon as heir. Which is terrible.
More importantly, the entire reason people are dog-piling Viserys with offers is because they want an extra heir immediately, like right now. Rhaenyra could trip and die on some stairs tomorrow as far as Westeros knows, and then everyone would be left with just Daemon as heir. Which is terrible.
Ya know if Daemon ends up stealing Laena as a Bride like in cannon this would up end even worse...
Imperious
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The post I was responding to said it will be Corlys' grandkid that sits the Iron Throne. That presumably means either:
1) Corlys' grandson inherits instead of us.
2) Corlys' grandkid becomes our heir.
Since if the idea was to just bethroth our heir with one of Corlys' grandkids then it wouldn't be Corlys' grand kid that would sit the throne, but his great grandkid.
So what was the point of marrying Viserys to Laena if we're just going to marry into the Velaryons anyway?
Also again, what do we do about having children in that case?
Ehhh, male or female, king consort or queen, they are essentially gonna be on the throne either way. Especially if, as the plan name kinda suggests, we foster strong bonds with them and our own heir.
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Because, again, Viserys' marriage was the one being discussed. That is the topic. And hey, I did vote for the "offer to marry Laenor" option first and foremost. And because the two best candidates for Viserys are Alicent and Laena, and Alicent is a big, absolute, fat, no. Because Romantic.
As was discussed, if you want to be crass about it, the planned Renly route.
If Corlys does actually accept that tremendously long betrothal period and marrying Laena's kid to ours then the Laenor marriage would be useless.
Gwayne Hightower gives us the Reach and Otto as a strong ally, strong stability, heterosexual, and the son of a second son making it not too hard to browbeat him into a more subservient king-consort status.
Gwayne Hightower gives us the Reach and Otto as a strong ally, strong stability, heterosexual, and the son of a second son making it not too hard to browbeat him into a more subservient king-consort status.
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and instead of the safe, easy to pass plan that set us up to negotiate with Corlys from a more secure position later, we have a hail Mary with several stipulations while the ball is largely in Corlys's court.
also, assistance getting a council seat is a hell of a thing to trade your father and unborn child for.
also, assistance getting a council seat is a hell of a thing to trade your father and unborn child for.
Nightmare Scenario Walder Frey +Aerys II: 😈 😈 😈 😈 😈 😈 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥.
I just can't believe that on one of the most important negotiations of probably the entire quest, the winning plan decided to learn STEWARDSHIP over DIPLOMACY.
Marrying Gwayne could also be a bonding experience with our pops. After kinda tossing him under the bus. Like yeah, now we're both deeply unhappy but at least it's together. *laugh sobs*
Marrying Gwayne could also be a bonding experience with our pops. After kinda tossing him under the bus. Like yeah, now we're both deeply unhappy but at least it's together. *laugh sobs*
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What makes you think that? We still need a guarantee that he keeps to the plan, and Gwayne is no dragonrider. And heterosexuality is a drawback, in a fashion.
Imperious
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I'm a bit confused on how this is meant to work.
Lets assume that Laena has at least one boy and one girl
Then lets assume we have at least one boy and one girl.
Lets assume The boy is our firstborn. We marry him to Laena's daughter. This might assauge Corlys who'd know that his great grand child could sit the throne via the child of our, but it doesn't deal with our half brother having a better claim then us under Andal succession laws, who'd need to accept that he won't inherit despite that.
Lets assume our daughter is firstborn. We marry her to Corlys' grandson with Corlys' grandson inheriting the throne after us while being married to our daughter.
That might work, but it does leave two issues:
1) Corlys' grandson needs to be willing to accept inheriting the throne only after however many we end up living despite having a better claim then us under Andal succession laws.
2) It'll require any son of ours to accept being passed over for the throne despite having a better claim under Andal succession laws then his sister.
The Renly route never worked with Renly though...
People who want to romance Alicent seem really willing to bet the farm on the idea that we can compel Laenor to have sex with us without even checking his opinion on that.
Gaining Seasmoke is not worth losing Silverwing, Vermithor and Dreamfyre in case Laenor won't give us kids.
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Imperious
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Also the Alicent no matter what agenda needs to also come up with how we're going to stop Otto from marrying Alicent to someone else even if her match with Viserys does fall through, as well as having us deal with Otto hating us due to us being the reason why he can't ensure a politicaly beneficial marriage for his daughter.
For that matter I still don't understand what's the plan for getting Alicent herself to go along with this.
For that matter I still don't understand what's the plan for getting Alicent herself to go along with this.
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No? There are other options. Just maybe not ones to your liking.
I mean, that's the whole damn point! To be able to develop a romance with her that isn't suddenly getting stopped cold by her becoming our stepmother.
But that's a lot of assumption, we have to see if the first male child of Viserys and Laena or the first male child of Rhaenyra with who knows who is ambitious or not, if so... I don't know, conquer the Stepstones and let whoever is ambitious reign there, but it's still too early, for all we know they could all be just girls... or boys and the idea of marriage is thrown out the window.
Imperious
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It's just that I keep being told when I bring this question up that we can just get him to have kids with us. Shouldn't we at least check what's his opinion on that first before planning our future on it? What do we do if he says no?
Okay but my question was about the other issues with that, like her father trying to marry her off to someone else instead, or her father hating us for getting in the way of him marrying his daughter to a politicaly beneficial match, or Alicent herself being someone that's big on religious and familial devotion and thus having strong inclinations against becoming our paramour.
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Jesus Christ, can you guys at least wait with doomposting until the update drops and we actually know if, how much and in what precise sense we're fucked?
Omegahugger
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Look, we got a good sword arm and a dragon. We can just murder whoever gets in the way of our throne.
I am pretty sure I am the first person in Westeros to come up with this genius strategy.
I am pretty sure I am the first person in Westeros to come up with this genius strategy.