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The Heir of the Dragon: A Rhaenyra Targaryen Quest

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Omegahugger said:
Look, we got a good sword arm and a dragon. We can just murder whoever gets in the way of our throne.

I am pretty sure I am the first person in Westeros to come up with this genius strategy.
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Dragons get bigger and more powerful with age. Our dragon is like 15 years old. The oldest dragon around is more then 150 years old. There are a lot of situations here that can end up with us being the Aegon the Uncrowned of this analogy rather then its Maegor in terms of person with the big dragon claims the throne.

We can't just count on being able to bulldoze people around us due to us having the biggest dragon around, since we don't.
 
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Guys, stop doom posting... Whereas I think that a pretty good plan has won and that Laena's and Nyra's children marrying works well to stabilize the kingdom, please consider that if Corly rejects our proposal we are basically in the same position we would be if [] Plan The Conciliator would have won...
 
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Imperious said:
Lets assume The boy is our firstborn. We marry him to Laena's daughter. This might assauge Corlys who'd know that his great grand child could sit the throne via the child of our, but it doesn't deal with our half brother having a better claim then us under Andal succession laws, who'd need to accept that he won't inherit despite that.

Lets assume our daughter is firstborn. We marry her to Corlys' grandson with Corlys' grandson inheriting the throne after us while being married to our daughter.

That might work, but it does leave two issues:

1) Corlys' grandson needs to be willing to accept inheriting the throne only after however many we end up living despite having a better claim then us under Andal succession laws.

2) It'll require any son of ours to accept being passed over for the throne despite having a better claim under Andal succession laws then his sister.
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For the first one, of our son marrying Laena's daughter, our half-brother would have to fight against his own sister and our son, both dragon-riders. And house Velaryon would have no reason to help him, because why would they fight against their own queen. Any other siblings, also dragon-riders, would also lean towards the more stable king and queen before they lean towards a power-hungry brother/uncle.

For case of our daughter marrying Laena's son, if Laena's son can't wait for us to die before ruling, like the VAST majority of heirs do all the time, then things have already gone wrong because he's a psycho.
And in the case of our own son being unhappy, Andal succesion wouldn't really click as much with because he grew up with his own mother being queen. And if our own son really tries to argue for Andal succession rules, then it would loop back around to Viserys' son having a stronger claim than Rhaenyra in the first place, which would fold the position of our own son.
 
Fanhunter696 said:
Well, your increasingly complex dissection of a fairly straightforward strategy like marrying Laenas and Nyra's children has a touch of doom posting...
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Maybe its preconceptions from the canonical dance affecting my viewpoint of what's possible. In canon Rhaenyra has only sons so just marrying a daughter of hers to Aegon while acknowledging Aegon as her heir was never an option to begin with.
 
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Alpaca27 said:
Problems I had with the plan was the incredibly long betrothal period. Not sure I've seen one that long before in Westeros as all the families like to lock the marriage in real quick.

More importantly, the entire reason people are dog-piling Viserys with offers is because they want an extra heir immediately, like right now. Rhaenyra could trip and die on some stairs tomorrow as far as Westeros knows, and then everyone would be left with just Daemon as heir. Which is terrible.
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Regarding long bethrotals, we know in Canon Catelyn was told of her betrothal to Brandon at ~12 and the wedding was scheduled around 18. I don't think a waiting time, especially when one of the parties is literally not physically developed enough to have babies safely, is considered too preposterous.
 
Like I said earlier in the thread, in real life medieval noble marriages, even if the marriage took place when the bride was young for political reasons, it was rarely consummated before the bride was old enough, because people were well aware of the issues it caused for the health of both the wife and children.

Also, given how Visrys and Aemma having Rhaenyra pretty young might have been part of the reason foe her later issues, I can easily see Viserys not wanting a repeat of that.
 
Though at the end Viserys also gets a say. His decision on who to marry is also affected by more then just political considerations, or else he probably wouldn't have married Alicent to begin with. He might not want a betrothal which he can't consummate for several years. We'll see when the update comes.
 
You know, now that I think about it, the Laena marriage really doesn't make sense under the canon reasons he had to marry -
If the issue is that with one surviving child and one unpopular brother the succession isn't secure, marrying a 12 years old is just a bad choice regardless of which family she's from...
 
Athas said:
You know, now that I think about it, the Laena marriage really doesn't make sense under the canon reasons he had to marry -
If the issue is that with one surviving child and one unpopular brother the succession isn't secure, marrying a 12 years old is just a bad choice regardless of which family she's from...
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The Velaryons wanted it and had enough sway to be heard. It did fail to go through at the end.
 
Fanhunter696 said:
Well, regarding marriages Harwin Strong is still an option, and following canon it provides us a great chance at having a loving marriage
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Harwin Strong seemed like a good guy in canon, but we don't really know how he'll feel about this very different more martial version of Rhaenyra. And it does lead to the issue that Larys might try to murder us and our kids along with Harwin and his dad. He might give it up as a bad idea if he has more bodies to go through to inherit, but he might not.
Zimmerwald1915 said:
The Crown being weak is only an issue for the Crown, everyone else benefits from it.
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Well, aside from all the smallfolk that suffer or die from the chaos and infighting a weak central authority lets the nobility get up to. But it's not like anyone cares about them :V
 
Its likely the houses just saw an opportunity to get a royal marriage with the possibility of getting their child on the throne by taking Rhaenrya's place and that's why everyone was pushing for Viserys to remarry so hard. If Corlys and Otto Hightower didn't have daughters conveniently ready on hand to marry to the king then I'm certain the 'court voices' telling the kind to get married soon would suddenly be a lot more quiet until they could produce a female of their line to bed him. :V

Corlys with an 8 year old daughter: "Your majesty perhaps its better to wait and give sufficient time for yourself to grieve....like 4-5 years or so."

Otto if Alicent was also the same age: "I agree completely, its for the good of the realm."

Although to be fair, Targ dynasty does have a nasty habbit of sudden cases of large scale death as GRM needs to trim the tree. So its a case of both looking out for the dynasty while also looking out for their own self interests.
 
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Wiggy said:
Harwin Strong seemed like a good guy in canon, but we don't really know how he'll feel about this very different more martial version of Rhaenyra. And it does lead to the issue that Larys might try to murder us and our kids along with Harwin and his dad. He might give it up as a bad idea if he has more bodies to go through to inherit, but he might not.
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I won´t deny that Larys could be a thorn in our side, but seeing Harwin's reaction when Rhenyra returned with the boar... It seems that he has certain Amazon Chaser tendencies and that he may prefer this Martial-Focus Rhaenyra


View: https://youtu.be/G9EjTO75H64?t=25
 
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If there is a Dance, we will have to Dance people, better prepare to a Dance, you can change things but not everything, and that's okay, it's fine.

 
Champs said:
If there is a Dance, we will have to Dance people, better prepare to a Dance, you can change things but not everything, and that's okay, it's fine.

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We can Dance if we want to
We can leave your friends behind
'Cause your friends don't Dance and if they don't Dance then
They're no friends of mine.
 
Teen Spirit said:
I will say a lot of the discourse since I closed the vote has been making some big assumptions
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I suppose we haven't discussed what happens if Corlys just goes, 'Lol, no delay, ambition goes BRRRR' and pushes for the immediate marriage regardless, or if Otto balks at even a much delayed Velaryon marriage and tries to send in Alicent or something.
 
Wiggy said:
I suppose we haven't discussed what happens if Corlys just goes, 'Lol, no delay, ambition goes BRRRR' and pushes for the immediate marriage regardless, or if Otto balks at even a much delayed Velaryon marriage and tries to send in Alicent or something.
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I already pointed out that Corlys and Otto may reject our idea...

Then we are basically operating under the [] Plan The Conciliator...
 
Genuine question, do we have any solid narrative proof yet that Rhaenyra is gay, rather than bisexual? It seems like the latter is a more faithful reading of both canon and what we've seen so far. It's why I voted for a plan that didn't tie us to the thoroughly-gay Laenor, as that seems like a recipe for absolute misery. At least in a marriage with mutual respect and mutual attraction, there's a chance to grow into some form of love. But if both parties 100% aren't even attracted to the gender of their spouse that just sounds miserable, and even more so dangerous when we're a dynastic heir.
 
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