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The Heir of the Dragon: A Rhaenyra Targaryen Quest

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The Westerlings are probably going to be a safer match then the Tyrells in the sense that they don't really have much in the way of means of their own to support our half siblings' claim, but Johanna Westerling, judging by her canon personality, would probably be a very difficult step mother to have in the sense of how she'll fight to protect her childrens' birthright. Plus Harold Westerling comes across as a cool guy but it would still be remiss to not mention that a Westerling currently controls the Kingsguard given all the times the kingsguard affected the succession and the real life history of Praetorian Guard coups.

The Tyrells are the much more powerful family but are currently not too popular in the Reach. Them getting a royal marriage might actually give us an in with some of their more powerful vassals who don't want their overlords becoming too mighty. It might even improve our relationship with Otto due to the Hightowers seeing us as a hedge against Tyrell influence in court and against the possibility of a Tyrell blooded king sitting the Iron Throne.

Viserys seems unlikely to accept a Vypren match, and the Dornish one has its own set of issues.
 
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Dornish all the way!

So can we write in a plan to tell our father that we would be willing to marry Laenor? It kinda feels like we have our hands tied behind our back in any of our arguments if we don't solve the glaring Velaryon problem.

I feel like otherwise Viserys would feel pressured to consider only the most powerful of matches, to act as a stabilizing force for the realm and as a check against Corlys.
 
Alpaca27 said:
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TeenSpirit said no write-ins for this post. It's a single decision, not plan voting.

Anyway, as for me... yeah I don't think we need to be all strategizing and political with everyone. We can just simply state our preferences with our father, instead of beating around the bush. Why not.

[X] "Do as you see fit, father. Just please do not marry Alicent Hightower. I beg of you."

That IS what we want to get out of the whole thing after all.
 
[X] "I've found an alternative, Victaria Tyrell would prove almost as strong a match as Laena."
[X] "The Lord Commander has a cousin, Johanna, she seems a much more suitable match for you.
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[X] "The Princess of Dorne has a sister. If you marry her, we will gain a powerful ally against the Triarchy."
[X] "Do as you see fit, father. Just please do not marry Alicent Hightower. I beg of you."
 
Alpaca27 said:
Dornish all the way!

So can we write in a plan to tell our father that we would be willing to marry Laenor? It kinda feels like we have our hands tied behind our back in any of our arguments if we don't solve the glaring Velaryon problem.

I feel like otherwise Viserys would feel pressured to consider only the most powerful of matches, to act as a stabilizing force for the realm and as a check against Corlys.
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Teen Spirit said:
Please don't do write ins this turn
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No write ins this time.
 
Dang. Then I feel like the only possible winners of the plan are Hightower and Tyrell. So just Tyrell.

Cause if you're about to backhand the second most powerful house in the Kingdom, with no back-up alliance, then you probably aren't aiming for small houses like Vypren, or Westerling, or any foreigners.
 
Alpaca27 said:
Dang. Then I feel like the only possible winners of the plan are Hightower and Tyrell. So just Tyrell.

Cause if you're about to backhand the second most powerful house in the Kingdom, with no back-up alliance, then you probably aren't aiming for smalli houses like Vypren, or Westerling, or any foreigners.
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Problem is, it's Tyrell, but not the mainline. She carries the name and pedigree, but whether it would really win over the Lord Paramount is another question.
 
Doing two marriages at the same time in this situation would seem desperate even to Viserys. That's why I'm not offering it or allowing such ideas for a write in, because Viserys would be like "Wait a few months at least, we're facing a crisis."

Like Viserys in canon reacted to Corlys getting pissed over the marriage to Alicent by basically telling him to deal with it.

Alpaca27 said:
Dang. Then I feel like the only possible winners of the plan are Hightower and Tyrell. So just Tyrell.
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I will say Viserys is open to more options than that.
 
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Susano said:
Problem is, it's Tyrell, but not the mainline. She carries the name and pedigree, but whether it would really win over the Lord Paramount is another question.
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I think it's more likely then not to do so. The Tyrells are in a point in time in which the legitimacy of a royal marriage is probably something they'll appreciate, at a time when many still look at them as upjumped stewards.
 
I'll note that in my opinion, if Corlys tries a coup right away because of the marriage choice here, he's an idiot. (Which is why he didn't do anything in canon for years, even before the Laenor marriage)
First ge'll need to get Rhaenys and Laenor on board, which given how young the latter is, and how reluctant the former was to murder her family in cold blood (took Luke's death in canon to get her there) is a certain thing. Then it's an open question on what side Daemon will be on, but atm he's pretty unlikely to support Corlys (he married Laena in canon behind Corlys's back and because he was attracted to her character, so a marriage offer to a 12 years old while his first wife is alive isn't as attractive to him at all) and in the end he still loves his brother.
And then there is the fact that dragons win battles and scare enemies, but armies hold lands - even if he topples Viserys and Rhaenyra, he won't have the support of most of the seven kingdoms, and can easily find himself and his dragon riders toppled in turn.

So no, I don't think we have to marry Laenor right this moment just to prevent a civil war.
 
[X] "I've found an alternative, Victaria Tyrell would prove almost as strong a match as Laena."
[X] "The Lord Commander has a cousin, Johanna, she seems a much more suitable match for you."
 
[X] "I've found an alternative, Victaria Tyrell would prove almost as strong a match as Laena."
[X] "The Lord Commander has a cousin, Johanna, she seems a much more suitable match for you."
 
Viserys the Wise, Viserys Peace-Bringer, Viserys the Conqueror.

Marry Dorne and Viserys gets way more credit for the Stepstones than he did in canon, where everyone knew it was a Daemon and Corlys win. Bridge the gap of a century long feud and with Dornish aid perhaps even manage to hold the Stepstones this time around.

Laying the building blocks of Dorne joining Westeros will also see Viserys as the biggest expansionist since Aegon himself. And he always did talk about wanting an awesome legacy.

Also, not to be crass, but if anyone is going to make Viserys forget about his wife...well, let's say the notoriously hot-blooded Dornish is certainly going to do better than little church girl Alicent.
 
Alpaca27 said:
Viserys the Wise, Viserys Peace-Bringer, Viserys the Conqueror.

Marry Dorne and Viserys gets way more credit for the Stepstones than he did in canon, where everyone knew it was a Daemon and Corlys win. Bridge the gap of a century long feud and with Dornish aid perhaps even manage to hold the Stepstones this time around.

Laying the building blocks of Dorne joining Westeros will also see Viserys as the biggest expansionist since Aegon himself. And he always did talk about wanting an awesome legacy.

Also, not to be crass, but if anyone is going to make Viserys forget about his wife...well, let's say the notoriously hot-blooded Dornish is certainly going to do better than little church girl Alicent.
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My main issue with a Dornish match is that the crown is kind of weak right now, with us being the only dragon rider the crown has and the Velaryons having two. It feels like a precarious time for Viserys to have a politically destabilizing match. I'd feel more confident about something like that if we had riders for Silverwing and Dreamfyre on our side at the time.
 
[X] "The Lord Commander has a cousin, Johanna, she seems a much more suitable match for you."


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[X] "I've found an alternative, Victaria Tyrell would prove almost as strong a match as Laena."
 
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Also its funny how relationship with Otto has basically been a seesaw since the quest started. We had a + (Sending Daemon into the Step Stones), a - (testing our kingsguard), a - (flying to Dragonstone) a + (making Otto realize that Daemon would have killed him had we not intervened) and a + (the plan we suggested to Otto now).

So assuming those were all equal in impact then we should be sitting at a net gain of a single + with Otto as of now.
 
TBH, this is the main reason we got into this...

[X] "Do as you see fit, father. Just please do not marry Alicent Hightower. I beg of you."

If we had some assurances over if Viserys would accept either the Dorne match or Sabitha Vypren I would vote for them...

[X] "Do as you see fit, father. Just please do not marry Alicent Hightower. I beg of you."
 
The Dornish idea is just peak quester brain at this point. The only way we could have made that work is ourselves marrying Laenor and then letting Viserys marry the Dornish.

Right now, Otto is the only one left who vaguely supports us and he will hate the idea. We might as well hand the crown to Corlys.
 
You vote for the Dornish idea to maximise military power, I vote for the Dornish idea because I'm a messy bitch who lives for drama. We are not the same.

 
Azel said:
The Dornish idea is just peak quester brain at this point. The only way we could have made that work is ourselves marrying Laenor and then letting Viserys marry the Dornish.
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Some people want to pull out a Daeron the Good and bring Dorne into the fold... Wich would be awesome, but extremely unlikely...
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Right now, Otto is the only one left who vaguely supports us and he will hate the idea. We might as well hand the crown to Corlys.
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Regarding this, wouldn´t Otto disapprove of the Tyrell match because the Hightowers are still salty about the Tyrells becoming the Paramount Lords of the Reach when they are jumpstart stewards?
 
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