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The Heir of the Dragon: A Rhaenyra Targaryen Quest

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On a razor's edge, that one. I do think this was a mistake, having our brother come from a house even more powerful then the Hightowers sounds like it's a recipe for us having an even bigger struggle to inherit then in canon, but at least this gives us some more time with which to try to get our kids to ride some of the larger dragons like Silverwing.

Maybe we should marry Forest Frey instead of Laenor then. Try to get that Frey fertility to help us get some extra dragonriders.
 
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Oh damn, Second mother managed to pull out a victory despite it coming in late. That's a surprise, but not an unwelcome one since I was in favor of it.

I do wonder why people decided to include the 'true love' bit in the Character Generation. That's like one of the worst possible dreams for a Royal to have and combined with the fame debuff of Rhanerya being martially focused women in patiracarl Westeros its like people decided to go the hardest route possible for her. :V

Not that I mind actually, I do like the extra challenge of trying to handle a difficult hand the best way possible. If we didn't take that, then 100% we should have gone for the Laenor marriage, but because that's not IC for our Rhanerya I didn't want to go that route personally (also retreading canon road would be a bit boring).

Though yeah, if things go bad with the Velaryons we have effectively screwed ourselves by nudging that marriage, because besides Daemon we have no dragon rider allies and it would be 1 on 3 (with one of the three being Vhaegar if Laena does claim her as canon). We'd have to hard grind Dragon Riding and go full thug life Guerilla warfare to stand a chance there. Or outbreed them and push our children to grab the untamed dragons.
 
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Imperious said:
Maybe we should marry Forest Frey instead of Laenor then. Try to get that Frey fertility to help us get some extra dragonriders.
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Come to think Forrest was also married to Sabitha Vypren, so he'd probably be A okay with our Visenya Reborn background.

Pucelle said:
I do wonder why people decided to include the 'true love' bit in the Character Generation. That's like one of the worst possible dreams for a Royal to have and combined with the fame debuff of Rhanerya being martially focused women in patiracarl Westeros its like people decided to go the hardest route possible for her. :V
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I don't think the "true love" bit is necessarily a debuff depending on how we play it. Having an actually loving marriage might help us in having the sort of functioning home life that would also help in raising our kids, which is important, since we're going to need our kids to act as dragonriders for us if we want even a sliver of a chance of defending our claim to the throne, and it's not like marriages that are both politicaly astute and loving are impossible. Look at say, Ned Stark and Catelyn Tully. It's the whole, true love, and it has to be Alicent whose family would marry her off to a man the moment they heard of it, and it would turn the hand of the king against us, and it would hurt our reputation across the realm, and it would be a match that could not produce children etc,etc stuff that seem really set on turning the difficulty level to the very max.
 
Pucelle said:
Not that I mind actually, I do like the extra challenge of trying to handle a difficult hand the best way possible. If we didn't take that, then 100% we should have gone for the Laenor marriage, but because that's not IC for our Rhanerya I didn't want to go that route personally (also retreading canon road would be a bit boring).
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It's because the true love voters had in mind was Alicent.
 
SuspiciousBird said:
It's because the true love voters had in mind was Alicent.
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TBH I still don't understand how the plan in which we're supposed to romance Alicent and still keep the throne while having a half brother who starts with Vhagar, Seasmoke and Meleys on their side even before whatever dragons our half siblings will have while having a match that won't produce children is meant to work.

Like, at least having the Velaryons on the other side of the divide means we might be able to get Otto on our side, but we won't even have that once he finds out we're in the way for his daughter to have a politicaly beneficial marriage.
 
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SuspiciousBird said:
It's because the true love voters had in mind was Alicent.
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Imperious said:
TBH I still don't understand the plan of how we're supposed to keep the throne while having a half brother who starts with Vhagar, Seasmoke and Meleys on their side even before whatever dragons our half siblings will have while having a match that won't produce children is meant to work.

Like, at least having the Velaryons on the other side of the divide means we might be able to get Otto on our side, but we won't even have that once he finds out we're in the way for his daughter to have a politicaly beneficial marriage.
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Well that's silly.

Hmm, well if people want Alicent then the best possible option to take is befriending Laenor and making a mutual agreement to be each other's beards (and if we can get one kid from him then that helps with the whole 'bastard' thing). Having Laena marry Viserys, doesn't mean we can't marry Laenor too (even though from an outside perspective it is enormous amounts of favoritism to the Velaryons, but eh screw them. Velaryons having dragons makes appeasing them incredibly important). It also means that its likely we won't get into a huge dynastic dispute with Corlys as he won't care because his line is sitting the throne no matter what, so at most its Laena and whatever kids she has (and canonwise she's not exactly the picture of health when it came to births). Most likely Laena won't actually push the issue since we're planning on marrying kids and there won't really be a huge enough split for a civil war.
 
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Pucelle said:
I do wonder why people decided to include the 'true love' bit in the Character Generation. That's like one of the worst possible dreams for a Royal to have and combined with the fame debuff of Rhanerya being martially focused women in patiracarl Westeros its like people decided to go the hardest route possible for her. :V
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SV is at the core just a huge pile of romantics, all of us.
 
Pucelle said:
Though yeah, if things go bad with the Velaryons we have effectively screwed ourselves by nudging that marriage, because besides Daemon we have no dragon rider allies and it would be 1 on 3 (with one of the three being Vhaegar if Laena does claim her as canon). We'd have to hard grind Dragon Riding and go full thug life Guerilla warfare to stand a chance there. Or outbreed them and push our children to grab the untamed dragons.
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I think the key here is that we will need to marry and have children within the next five years, preferably four so that we can betroth our son to Laena's daughter, or our daughter to her son.

As far as marriages for ourselves. I think Laenor is still a possibility. Our true love choice does allow for a husband that is not loved but with a love on the side. That of course has complications for us, but it's not impossible that we might still marry Laenor. The Targs are as inbred as possible.

Other possible choices include Forrest Frey, as he is currently a second son. I don't think there are any real Lord Paramount options. Perhaps an Arryn from a branch family, strengthen our Arryn ties to the Vale. A Redwyne might be wise, as it would give us access to a powerful fleet. Not enough information about other possibilities.

I think we ought to suggest that we go on a royal progress, that doubles as a marriage possibilities tour.

I'd also point out that it is entirely possible that we will fail in this gambit, and that Otto will still push Alicent on Viserys, and we end up needing to marry Laenor to bring the Valeryons back into the fold, but with the aspect that we made them like us better with this move.
 
Pucelle said:
Well that's silly.

Hmm, well if people want Alicent then the best possible option to take is befriending Laenor and making a mutual agreement to be each other's beards (and if we can get one kid from him then that helps with the whole 'bastard' thing). It also means that its likely we won't get into a huge dynastic dispute with Corlys as he won't care because his line is sitting the throne no matter what,
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Unless Laenor won't give us any children again, like in canon, in which case Corlys might end up thinking that he has to push for the inheritance of Laena's children or else have someone not of his blood inherit both the Iron Throne and Driftmark. Such a plan does seem like it would be hedging a lot on us being able to compel Laenor to have sex with us whether he'd like to or not.
 
Elder Haman said:
As far as marriages for ourselves. I think Laenor is still a possibility. Our true love choice does allow for a husband that is not loved but with a love on the side. That of course has complications for us, but it's not impossible that we might still marry Laenor. The Targs are as inbred as possible.

Other possible choices include Forrest Frey, as he is currently a second son. I don't think there are any real Lord Paramount options. Perhaps an Arryn from a branch family, strengthen our Arryn ties to the Vale. A Redwyne might be wise, as it would give us access to a powerful fleet. Not enough information about other possibilities.
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Well, regarding marriages Harwin Strong is still an option, and following canon it provides us a great chance at having a loving marriage
 
Fanhunter696 said:
Well, regarding marriages Harwin Strong is still an option, and following canon it provides us a great chance at having a loving marriage
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I'd give serious consideration to Frey though. A better demense to have on our side then Harrenhal, and the fact that he married Sabitha Vypren in canon suggests that he would be A okay with a warrior woman as a wife. Plus dat Frey fertility.

Possibly bethroth one of our kids to a Tully in case they get nervous about one of their powerful bannermen being given a royal marriage.
 
"True Love" may not be mechanically advantageous (and also I wasn't here to vote for it), but I think it adds a level of interesting push-pull with our character's motivations. Duty versus personal wishes and all that.
 
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