Omegahugger
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The Heir of the Dragon: A Rhaenyra Targaryen Quest
- Thread starter Teen Spirit
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- Location
- United States
Maybe he can just sense that we're not natty.
Temes1066
To Defy Gravity you must Let It Go
- Location
- Coleraine
This should be as you thrusted the lance not as trusted the lance
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Then again, our odds of being fresh as a daisy after jousting with Criston aren't what you'd call amazing, either...
Up to this point, we've jousted with Elmo and he "just grazed" Rhaenyra's shoulder- not a direct hit, as I understand it. We jousted with Borros and his lance hit our shield harmlessly while we struck true.
But Criston? Well, Criston may or may not have actually hit Raylon in the first two rounds of their joust, and he definitely got hit himself, but he managed a solid unhorsing hit in the third round. And then he hit Rogar Bolton three times in a row. Rogar took the hits because Boltons are sadomasochistic and crazy like that, but there's no reference to him actually hitting Criston back.
Putting this level of performance together, I am very confident that Criston will hit Rhaenyra with a lance, and probably not just a glancing blow, either. We may end up in the same situation Rogar did and have him breaking a lance off on us every time we joust. The only question is whether Rhaenyra can stay on her horse through the lance hits and whether she'll be able to hit him hard enough to unhorse him.
Rhaenyra has a reasonable amount of experience in this, from watching tournaments and talking about it with anyone who will stand still for a conversation. So I'm not saying she's wrong to think that if she can beat Criston she can beat whoever comes after him. But it won't necessarily be easy.
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- Mid-Atlantic
I respect this position but we literally have to go through Criston to get to Unwin, also if Unwin did not exist or we had never met him, Criston would be the biggest and most hated asshole in the quest so I think he still deserves a beating.
Temes1066
To Defy Gravity you must Let It Go
- Location
- Coleraine
Well, if we lose and Unwin loses, we will fight him in the match to determine 3rd place.
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- Mid-Atlantic
Oh? I hadn't heard about that.
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- Reader
Not quite. Automatically by virtue of having won his third match, Unwin ranks second while we rank third as the winners prior opponent. Like, Joust losers can be injured and unable to continue. It doesn't make sense to put 2 of them in an extra round after one of them has already fought a fourth time.
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- Location
- Lake Wobegon
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- He/Him/His
It's why the bracket has two finals matches in echelon. The rightmost one is to determine first and second place, the other is to determine third and fourth.
- Location
- Canada
Temes is saying that if Rhaenyra loses to Criston and Unwin loses to Dustin we'll face him to determine 3rd and 4th place
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- Mid-Atlantic
Yes, and Randino is saying that this will not occur and that whoever lost to the winner is regarded as "third place" by default. Without more knowledge of how Westerosi tournaments work, I can't say for sure.
Not very thread relevant, but.
MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE!!!
MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE!!!
Merry Christmas!
Oh boy I sure would like Rhaenyra beating Criston Cole in the tourney this holiday season (Someone had to try)
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- Canada
No, they're not
"By virtue of having won his third match, Unwin ranks second"
Unwin's fought 2 matches, he'd win his third if he fought Dustin and won, in which case he'd be a finalist
That's what Randino is talking about
A scenario where Unwin wins his third match against Dustin but we lose our third match against Criston
But Temes is saying that we'd still fight Unwin for third place if we both lose our third matches
This isn't a Westerosi tournament thing, this is literally just basic tournament structure
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OK, sorry for being confused there.
But...
If Rhaenyra and Unwin both lose and the finals match is a joust between Criston and Dustin, then Rhaenyra and Unwin would only joust if there is a third place trophy for them to even fight over.
But...
I'm not sure Westerosi jousting tournaments actually care who's in third place, or seek to formalize who is in third place that way? Especially since a significant fraction of the time, one or both of the knights who lose in the semi-finals in a jousting competition will be too injured to compete in a "consolation prize" match against the other semifinalist, and yet it would be in poor taste to simply forfeit the third place award to whichever loser was less injured in their bout than the other?
If Rhaenyra and Unwin both lose and the finals match is a joust between Criston and Dustin, then Rhaenyra and Unwin would only joust if there is a third place trophy for them to even fight over.
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- Germany
There will be a bout for 3rd place.
Imperious
Without the sun of my life
I don't know. Genre conventions say that as his worthy rival, after Unwin beats us, we see the light and both of us end up coming together to stand against the conspiracy to steal Unwin's family's land by the greedy tournament host.
StarSingerBlue
Zenryoku Zenkai !
- Location
- The City of Lights
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- They/Them
No. Unwin is going down. F*** genre conventions.
- Location
- Germany
I threw up a bit when reading this.
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- He/Him
Imperious
Without the sun of my life
It really does work when you think about it. Consider the following:
Desmond Manderly: Greedy rich tournament host, taking the chance of the big event to schmooze with the innocent high ranking aristocrat so as to solicit them to cooperate with his plot to the steal the land of his rivals.
Unwin Peake: Determinator young man. Main character. Fighting in a far off land where people look down on him for who he is and what family he comes from. Each match is a struggle as he gives it his all in order to prove himself in a land set against him.
Medrick Manderly: Spoiled rich boy son of tournament host. Looks down on the main character and thinks the tournament is all about him only to be soundly thrashed in a fair fight by our hero.
Rhaenyra: Innocent and well meaning royal who wishes to be judged for her skill rather then her royalty whose innocence and lack of experience with courtly intrigue the greedy tournament host tries to exploit to further his vile schemes against the hero's family. Sees the light after an epic match with the protagonist in which both give it their all only for the main character to emerge triumphant via the skin of their teeth.
It all fits.
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The problem with all this is that in any story where Unwin Peake is the protagonist of his own story, you'd have to accept Peake's misogynistic-witha-sideorder-of-homophobic attitudes as valid within the narrative. Which first, not only no, but hell no, but also second to engage with your thing on its own terms, in that case Rhaenyra simply CAN'T be a member of the (ick) hero's future band of allies.
No no, Rhaenyra's the recurring weirdo miniboss who keeps siding with the enemies of season after season or something.
There is a way this can work. Uwin is the protagonist but Rhaenyra is actually on a different genre of the - I Have been Isekaied as the Dragon Queen Villainess - who destroys the protagonist in the process of escaping the doom flags.
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- He/Him
This conversation is weirding me out.