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The Heir of the Dragon: A Rhaenyra Targaryen Quest

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[X] [Manderly] Refuse
[X] [Melee] Enter the Melee
[X] [Mystery] Write-in (Provide a Name and Sigil, Subject to QM Approval)
-[X] The Knight of Dragonflies, A black dragonfly upon a red field
 
Teen Spirit said:
"A match between the daughter of a second son and the heir to Starpike?" Unwin smirked. "He'd be a fool to decline, particularly since it will get him away from the abomination they call princess."
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...I kind of want to see him try to talk to Otto like this, only to see how hard he crashes and burns. Calling Alicent the "daughter of a second son" will piss him off fierce cause god damn that's one hell of an insult. I can't tell if that was an intentional insult to Otto or him thinking that he's the Seven's gift to mankind.
 
Teen Spirit said:
Manderly's mentality here is "You miss 100% of the shots you don't take". And Show wise basically every house in the Seven Kingdoms threw offers at her. The Manderlys figure they're big enough that's not completely impossible and if they ask Rhaenyra directly they might have a better chance. Still a long shot and they know it.
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Yeah I figure it was this, but asking for it immediately after asking for a big favor came across at least to me as not a great look. Like, it'd be one thing if they gave us some big gift or something to turn up the charm, show what they can bring to the table. Or at least discuss what they could bring to the table. Jason Lannister's an ass but he was making his pitch to canon!Rhaenyra with gifts and an offer to build her a dragonpit (which yes he obviously has an ulterior motive for, but it'd be pure upside for canon!Rhaenyra), and he didn't even think he'd get to be king.

In contrast, the Manderlys here are opening by asking for a massive favor, and their offer is just "I promise not to usurp you"... which, thanks, I know it's better than some would, but is really below the bare minimum. Add in how they're leading into it with bringing up this old marriage agreement which was so obviously ridiculous and unfavorable, and how uncomfortable Rhaenyra is with the whole thing and it doesn't come across well.

IMO we should just refuse this and not bring him along on the progress. If other voters are worried that refusing out of hand will seem harsh, and we should bring him along for the gentler let down - I think the fact that they know this is a long shot will prevent them from taking any offense, especially if we do push for granting them the contested castle. Bringing him along and then never talking to him on the other hand seems much more likely to lead to greater offense, since we're stringing them along and then not seriously considering it. Talking to him is going to cost us actions.

Additionally, if we bring him along we're going to encourage other people to shoot their shot as well, and end up in this situation more frequently. Other people will assume that we are seriously considering him, or at least might be, and feel like the need to get their foot in the door and pressure us for this now, before they could lose their chance.
 
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[X] [Manderly] Request Ser Medrick accompany you on your Progress before making a decision
[X] [Melee] Enter the Melee
[X] [Mystery] "The Flower Knight", A Blue Rose Upon a Grey Field.
 
Crafter of War said:
...I kind of want to see him try to talk to Otto like this, only to see how hard he crashes and burns. Calling Alicent the "daughter of a second son" will piss him off fierce cause god damn that's one hell of an insult. I can't tell if that was an intentional insult to Otto or him thinking that he's the Seven's gift to mankind.
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Now it could very well be both. This is Unwin Peake we are talking about
 
[X] [Manderly] Refuse
[X] [Mystery] "The Silver Falcon", A Silver Falcon Diving Downward upon a Field of Red.
[X] [Melee] Enter the Melee

The sheer balls on these mermen lol. I gotta respect the gumption. And hey, Peake seems to be deserving some comeuppance so maybe we can swing something. Do the manderlys have a warfleet? Because if they do, having the manderlys, the arryns, and any sellsails they can scrounge up on side would probably do a lot to counterbalance any issues with the velaryon fleet down the line.

[X] [Mystery] Write-in (Provide a Name and Sigil, Subject to QM Approval)
-[X] The Knight of Dragonflies, A black dragonfly upon a red field
 
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[X] [Manderly] Request Ser Medrick accompany you on your Progress before making a decision
We probably wouldn't pick him but we shouldn't refuse him out of hand.

[X] [Mystery] "The Silver Falcon", A Silver Falcon Diving Downward upon a Field of Red.
[X] [Melee] Enter the Melee
 
[X] [Manderly] Refuse
[X] [Melee] Enter the Melee
[X] [Mystery] Write-in (Provide a Name and Sigil, Subject to QM Approval)
-[X] The Knight of Dragonflies, A black dragonfly upon a red field
 
I'll be honest, when I saw an alert for an informational labeled tourney bracket, my mind completely disregarded the joust and thought someone had made a bracket for all the potential husbands.
 
HELL yeah Beesbury ONCE AGAIN making this AN EXCELLENT chapter. The Manderlys are pretty cool as well, interesting to see the juxtaposition between them and the Reachmen they left behind.
 
If we win the melee, do we automatically reveal ourselves? Because that would be a risk of entering, come to think of it. I'm kind of hoping that losing the tourney does not auto-reveal us, because if each round of the joust is a contested role, then our odds of winning are pretty poor, just due to the number of rounds. Like, even if we had a 90% chance of winning each round, the chance of winning six rounds and the whole thing is I think just over 50%. And our chance of beating some opponents (like Criston) are probably lower than that. This sense - in 1v1 contests between where chance plays a big role, it'd be uncommon for one person to be able to reliably and repeatably come 1st, unless they actually were just head and shoulders above the competition. (Like if we're 95% to beat our average opponent then we jump up to 73% to win the whole thing).

But we're probably more likely to win the melee than the joust, and so even if losing does not reveal us then if we're always entering melee and joust we'll get outed by winning a melee first, if that reveals us.

I guess maybe we could take a fall in the melee and come in second, if need be?
 
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hailcapital said:
If we win the melee, do we automatically reveal ourselves?
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Mystery knights are an established part of Westerosi tournaments. They have rules and procedures for that. Given that, I don't think they would make a mystery knight reveal himself before the last day. That is, if mystery knights are just established part of tournament culture, then they will have ways to allow the mystery knight to compete in all categories.

However, melees are chaotic and brutal. Someone knocking our helmet off, or knocking us out so a medic discovers who we are etc etc, that's something that can happen.
 
Ngl I think our jousting's not good enough to win the joust (esp since we chose *not* to focus on training for jousts to be a better swordswoman - more practical as a Targ that'll fight mostly on dragonback or foot)

We have a better chance getting knighted thru the melee, but ofc there's the risk of that competition also being way more chaotic

[X] [Manderly] Refuse
[X] [Mystery] "The Silver Falcon", A Silver Falcon Diving Downward upon a Field of Red.
[X] [Melee] Enter the Melee
 
[X] [Manderly] Refuse
[X] [Melee] Enter the Melee
[X] [Mystery] Write-in (Provide a Name and Sigil, Subject to QM Approval)
-[X] The Knight of Dragonflies, A black dragonfly upon a red field
 
[X] [Manderly] Refuse
[X] [Mystery] "The Flower Knight", A Blue Rose Upon a Grey Field.
[X] [Mystery] Write-in (Provide a Name and Sigil, Subject to QM Approval)
-[X] The Knight of Dragonflies, A black dragonfly upon a red field
[X] [Melee] Stay out, Focus on the Joust

Crafter of War said:
...I kind of want to see him try to talk to Otto like this, only to see how hard he crashes and burns. Calling Alicent the "daughter of a second son" will piss him off fierce cause god damn that's one hell of an insult. I can't tell if that was an intentional insult to Otto or him thinking that he's the Seven's gift to mankind.
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Considering Otto got pissy over Rhaenyra saying "yo, you cant actually do everyrhing and i came here to prevent Daemon from killing you" Id imagine someone disregarding him, ye honored, accomplished Hand of the King, as being just "some second son," would get him seeing red immediately.
 
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