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Please do not make that egg go another roud on the targaryen carnival, been declared to cradle for like 3 babies at this point
The Heir of the Dragon: A Rhaenyra Targaryen Quest
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Yeah, I'd be all for giving unborn sibling an egg - especially if Viserys forgets, since Viserys wasn't a particularly good parent to our siblings in show!canon, and that could be both an angle for changing our perspective and winning over Johanna + our siblings. But it being Baelon's egg would be reminiscent of the shit Daemon pulled, stress us out, and doesn't seem like it'd be particularly meaningful to them? Honestly, it's seem almost insulting.
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Well @Teen Spirit just to know if we change our mindset for our first sibling would be easier to change our mindset for the next ones?
I disagree with you, to give a random egg to our sibling is quite nice but to give them the egg that was destined for our brother, that we recovered from Deamon is significantly more meaningful, and I am sure that Johanna and Viserys would appreciate the gesture...
In gameplay terms, it will be exchanging extra stress for an increase in our relationship with Viserys and Johanna (and probably helping us to see our half-siblings as a true family)...
Considering that we are at 10/100 stress I think it is a worthwhile exchange...
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I think part of this is might be that your perspective is that the egg was for our next sibling, and that next sibling unexpectedly didn't happen, and by giving them the egg were showing that we view Johanna's kid as our next sibling.
My perspective (which I think is the one most character's in-universe are showing) is that the egg was for Baelon, and Baelon died.
I don't think this would actually improve our relationship with Vis and Johanna for that reason. It's like, if there's a death in the family you don't give out their hand-me-downs, at least not if you're rich and can afford not to.
And to be frank Vis might be either insulted or it might encourage a line of thought we definitely don't want him to have. Show!Vis early on contemplates passing over Rhaenyra for Aegon on the basis of his dreams, and is dissuaded by Alicent. Johanna is definitely not going to be doing any dissuading here, so we don't want to do anything that would encourage him to think of new sibling as the Baelon he lost.
Additionally, if Vis isn't thinking along those lines… show!Vis' second favorite child was Baelon, the core of his character was the guilt he felt over ordering Aemma's death. He could take or leave all his kids with his second wife - he might view comparing replacement kid to Baelon an insult to Baelon and Aemma's memory, because they can never replace them, and at very least it might drag up emotional scars.
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Pretty much so... I think these are both valid perspectives so let's hope that the QM can clarify things for us...
@Teen Spirit would you mind clarifying which of these perspectives is more likely to happen regarding the attitude of Viserys and Johanna with the Baelon's egg?
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I mean Rhaenyra doesn't know how Viserys and Johanna would react. As far as Rhaenyra's concerned, that egg was Baelon's egg, she flew to Dragonstone largely because she was pissed at Daemon taking said egg.
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@Teen Spirit, I never did get an answer about what interesting things might have happened at the wedding?
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I should note sometimes I don't answer questions because I feel like the answers will spoil things. But in this case, you would have had the option to punch out Jason Lannister in front of everyone.
Hilarious if a tiny bit politically unsound.
Same, he's been a pillar of support for Rhaenyra, if we hadn't done the whole sword challenge thing we might have been stuck with a Caron or God forbid Cole who would, at best, make a play out of training Rhaenyra instead of taking her seriously.
Granted, Tarly's got a weird sense of priorities and that's the reason why he wants Rhaenyra to be a warrior, but still.
I'd also agree on doing this.
On one hand, it could be taken as Rhaenyra extending a hand out as "I promise to care for you as I'd my brother"
On the other, at least from my perspective, gifting a new-born child something from your brother who died in the cradle so recently feels more along the lines of "As Baelon did, so do you" implicit wish. Like the handing down of a curse.
If this were a normal family, it wouldn't be, but this is Westeros and people don't take anything at face value, and they'll believe the worst of Rhaenyra when it comes to her siblings unless/until she stablishes a rapport with them
Which is why I half-jokingly mentioned taking our brother as squire once the time comes, Rhaenyra will hopefully be Arthur-Dayne-good at swording and a knight on her own right in the future, and so nobody would have the balls to say she doesn't have the skills to train her brother. Plus it helps that she could help raise him and get said brother used to the hierarchy where Rhaenyra is both elder sister and a mentor/superior, get 'em with the program.
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Yeah, Tarly fundamentally believes the throne needs a warrior king it's just he has flexibility on the gender of the king of they're strong enough
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Yeah we got really lucky, Sir Raylon Tarly would had clashed tremendously with both Canon and Scholar Rhaenyra, but with Warrior Rhaenyra is a total bro...
@Teen Spirit a couple of things
I suppose that Ser Raylon is so accepting of our relationship with Alicent, because according to his pretty weird sense of priorities, finding a proper lady is the Knightly thing to do, no?
We know that Ser Crispin and our Rhaenyra wouldn't have ever get alonh because he would had felt emasculated by warrior Rhaenyra, but what about Ser Desmond Caryon and Ser Rymun Mallister? Could we have had a good relationship with them.as our Sworn Shield?
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I think it's more that he kinda doesn't care, I think?
Like, "Will Alicent make her less of a warrior? Huh, she actually admires her warrior skills, and that's part of it? Right, moving on."
Honestly, him not giving a crap about the sexuality/etc of a sixteen year old girl puts him ahead of a very significant portion of literally fucking everyone in Westeros.
Like, "Will Alicent make her less of a warrior? Huh, she actually admires her warrior skills, and that's part of it? Right, moving on."
Honestly, him not giving a crap about the sexuality/etc of a sixteen year old girl puts him ahead of a very significant portion of literally fucking everyone in Westeros.
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To Tarly it's an eccentricity that he can't be bothered to really care about. She's a royal, royals to him are allowed their quriks
Temes1066
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So he is the kind of person, who would have backed Daemon Blackfyre during the Blackfyre rebellion.
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He is from a Marcher Lord family. The Marches were anti-Daeron to begin with due to his Dornish associations. Doesn't even require Daemon's warrior-king thing.
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He is actually quite judgemental, he's a marcher lord as others have mentioned (If you ever ask his opinions on Dorne he'll probably make Daeron the First look like peacenik) it's just Rhaenyra fits in very well with his views for the most part. And he basically sees it as his duty to shape Rhaenyra into a Warrior-Queen.
YUP.
If Rhaenyra's uncle were like...20% less Daemon, Ser Tarly would probably be a fan of him. As it is, Tarly sees Daemon as basically an out of control wildfire. Impressive, but offers only destruction.
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Given how ASOIAF characters tend to talk, he probably reaches for this exact metaphor on a fairly regular basis.
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I like this idea.
Two things I was thinking about with our half-Westerling siblings though that will probably complicate peace overtures. The first is that if we lock in any more ruthless allies, we might have to fight them on not murdering our siblings to secure our crown. Otto didn't try to assassinate Rhaenyra or her kids in canon, so I'm at least hopeful he'd show restraint even if we get him on our side, but that's a possibility.
The other thing is that I suspect we'll be able to get the Westerlings or the Velayrons on board, but not both. Our strongest argument to either group might end up being that we need to stick together against the threat of the other one (+ Daemon) and either one will likely end up expecting a marriage with our firstborn for an alliance.
While it's possible to dream up scenarios where everyone's happy (e.g. we marry Laenor, eat the stress, firstborn marries one of our siblings), I think likely, even probable, that someone will decline or defect. Assuming we reach a point where the dragonriders are us and our line, the Rhaenys line, and Vis and Johanna's line, with Daemon on the side stirring shit, there's too many dragonriders and not enough thrones. Somebody is going to be enough on the outside they figure they have more to gain from flipping the board, and our choice might be between if that's the Velayrons or our siblings.
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@Teen Spirit, between Canon Rhaenyra, Scholar Rhaenyra and Warrior Rhaenyra which is/was your favourite?
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Err, that was literally the first thing he tried to do once Viserys died.
Hmm, I'd say Warrior Rhaenyra though I admit I had some more out there ideas for Scholar Rhaenyra