That Time I Became A Dictator Of A Small Asian Communist Nation
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Also, it might be cheaper to just let the Americans come in and decommission the carrier? Then we can al least cut it up for scrap steel.
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I only semi-ironically think we should give this speech, because it's going to make the CIA pitch a fit and might make it easier to catch any agents they send if they're asking about obvious BS... and lure them off the trail of the real BS we're doing. Plus it's just funny.
OK, this is just for information, but what was the actual status of the non-aligned movement during this time? Aren't there enough countries there to form a serious bloc, and shouldn't they be precisely the type of countries that should be used for this type of diplomatic crisis, where neutral countries are needed?
Like, it feels like we are only considering western neutral countries, and I think that is a bit limiting. I understand if I am way off the mark here, but they seem like the political bloc which would be perfect to appeal to and use in this sort of situation. If they aren't powerful enough, though, I am willing to just not use them
Like, it feels like we are only considering western neutral countries, and I think that is a bit limiting. I understand if I am way off the mark here, but they seem like the political bloc which would be perfect to appeal to and use in this sort of situation. If they aren't powerful enough, though, I am willing to just not use them
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The goal is simple: we have a chance now to crash the US military economy and make them pursue a bunch of endless boondoggle BS... and then when they realize it's BS they'll discount any news of the Tigers as fake until we unveil them to the world!
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Oh sure, so give them false leads to follow up on that we can use to disappear their agents.
It started as a joke, but I now think that it might be a good idea... also still a joke, but a good one.
Ah where the tropico like reaction to the other nations when we ask them in a very tropico way for offering them our fine Rum Food
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[] "In the interests of clearing up some matters and rumors which have been swirling around..." and then give @theajl 's speech.
[] Reiterate that they are willing to work with American non-military forces to salvage or refloat or whatever need be the ship, but that the littering fine is quite serious and that the most benevolent island believes fully in environmentalism. "The littering of technologically obsolete military equipment is seen in our country as a serious problem, and one which needs redress."
[] Have neutral countries or those who are part of the Non-Aligned Movement come to oversee and see that we are not treating the Americans as prisoners, and nor are we taking anything from the ship.
[] Talk to our allies to get them on the same page as us.
[] Sit back and watch.
[] Reiterate that they are willing to work with American non-military forces to salvage or refloat or whatever need be the ship, but that the littering fine is quite serious and that the most benevolent island believes fully in environmentalism. "The littering of technologically obsolete military equipment is seen in our country as a serious problem, and one which needs redress."
[] Have neutral countries or those who are part of the Non-Aligned Movement come to oversee and see that we are not treating the Americans as prisoners, and nor are we taking anything from the ship.
[] Talk to our allies to get them on the same page as us.
[] Sit back and watch.
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HeroCooky
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Your action of basically declaring the whole incident a littering of industrial quantities of obsolete military equipment has caused so much confusion, that no nation or diplomat on earth has been capable of making any coherent plan.
Or, put short: The ball is in your court, what do you do?
Yes, I agree that I think the US will not want to be caught flat footed again, and I can only thank our lucky starts that they somehow haven't heard about Mao's death already.
Which brings up my other worry that the US might want to use this whole crisis as a way to
- secure Taiwan, by conquering the neighboring island (us)
- get more friendly Chinese leadership, by interfering with internal struggles inside China and getting a more friendly leader for the US, or a more antagonistic leader with the USSR.
While I like all the bluff plans, I do want the direct gaze of the entire world to leave us soon, just because I don't want anyone getting ideas about what they could be doing now that China is weak. Let this situation be resolved with quickly, so that no one is thinking of Guangchou when they learn Mao is dead
We definitely need our diplomat to reach out privately to a few other UN representatives and make it clear that us stating this whole situation is a littering problem is our way of trying to defuse the situation (We will not be treating this as an invasion, and we will not be 'imprisoning' the soldiers as POW's). Hopefully, someone will get the message out that nothing bad has happened.... yet
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Well shit when you act like tropico the other nations won't understand like the one where tropico was transported to Xcom and was extremely better then everyone else
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Let me recall some of my Diplomatic History.
The US Opened Relations with China (PRC) in 1972, under Nixon...
And officially opened things in I belive 1979 with the Taiwan Act, recognizing the PRC, but that hasn't happened yet.
Edit: They might know...but that's up to who's in charge...In China
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OW my head, what happen?
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I feel like this kind of thing is obvious to any kind of geopolitical operator, such as the career diplomats in the UN- no need to explain it ourselves, anyone who doesn't get it and tries to press the issue will be taken aside politely by their own team and told to shut the hell up.
Explaining it will just come across as condescending, which, while fun, is not going to help the situation
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Plural apostrophe shouldn't be there.
I mean, yes, the US basically started talking to china with the shadow of Vietnam hanging over everyone's heads. Nixon going to China was basically the admission that we had to care more about than just the big bad USSR, and that perhaps we could try to make more friends than enemies. I don't think US likes the fact that China has interfered so much in that region (North Korea and Vietnam) but they have had to accept it. China is a powerful nation in that region, that isn't going away soon...
or that is how it is supposed to be... But now Mao is dead, and Guangchou is suddenly showing itself as a threat, and I can see stupid plans forming in the heads of some CIA spooks.
I mean, yes, this is a very dumb reading by people who are very hostile to non-US powers, and who absolutely think they can and should steamroll the rest of the world..... but yeah, have you read about some of the stuff the CIA did? This would entirely be in character. I just hope that Ford can keep those hooligans in check (I'm like 80% sure he can, but then again, they be Spy-Idiots)
I kind of hoping it was too, but @HeroCooky's response makes it seem as if it isn't. Unless I am misreading his response below, the other nations very much do not understand what is going on, and I think that means the diplomats too.
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Nasser, gone. Nehru, gone. Sukarno, gone.
Oh hey, we can ask Comrade Tito to mediate!
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The CIA has always been short term ninnies.
Been that way since at least '54 at earliest.
Now that the Update and Dice have told us everything.
They are dealing with what is basically the American Troubles with everything going to hell in a handbasket.
They could deal with the problems at home or start another war.
Ford doesn't want to deal with War, he's smart and has a nation at home to keep.
But Mao dying changes things, especially who replaces him.
That's my fictional homeland!
Who is that? Was he an important character in this quest?
Tito, stop Halping!
OK, more seriously, is this it? I was specifically bringing them up so that we could get some representation from outside Europe. I wanted an Indian/Indonesian/Ghanaian rep, not a Yugoslavian one. Urgh, that is frustrating! This would be a perfect situation for them to intervene in.
Don't disagree with anything here. It really does sound like the US is going through a lot. I just know that sometime individuals will make decisions because they feel like they know better, and they really, really don't.
That being said, does anyone have any knowledge about the internal divisions that formed right after Mao's death? If the US wanted to support anyone, who would they be trying to turn?
Leader and founder of communist china.
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Good thing Hoover is Dead, he'd have made things worse.
ALOT Worse.
Well My Chinise History is Rusty but we have
Gang of Four - Wikipedia
The Maoist Hardliners that tired to take power.
Deng Xiaoping - Wikipedia
THE DENGIST HIMSELF!!
And a personal Favorite Wildcard who is still alive .
Hu Yaobang - Wikipedia
COME ON LETS BRING ON THE LIBERAL REVOLUTION HU!
DOWN WITH MAOIST THOUGHT!
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We probably don't want a Dengist victory, honestly. Not sure what else instead to back, but we're not going to be able to decide who wins, obviously. That's down to luck and nonsense.
I don't remember reading that America actually knows mao is dead yet. Just that there is internal strive
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For me its Him or Hu.
Deng at least made people rich enough to be able to afford to leave.
Hu's limited Political Freedoms will spread like wildfire in the 80s and possibly lead to the downfall of the PRC if they mismanage things.
And I personally want the Chinese to be free and have a political opinion that isn't a state-mandated party though.
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