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I think we get a bonus if we give a good description of what we want done?
edit: Do the RP actions count towards the action total?
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That Time I Became A Dictator Of A Small Asian Communist Nation
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I think we get a bonus if we give a good description of what we want done?
edit: Do the RP actions count towards the action total?
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Ye, you do, but they only get you so far. Some Actions have Sub-Turns where you'll decide on particulars (like Schools, the Monument, etc.) which give you a bonus option/numbers when rolling for the components.
Not in the slightest, these Actions are Jungmin+Family doing their stuff away from the nation.
Well, I would suggest we write an omake about what we already have for our education system? Because I definitely imagine we could use an omake bonus for this.
I'm just having trouble imagining how you fail at teaching people to grow plants* in a funny way... but that may just be me running on a couple hours of sleep
*Yes, I know we have a couple of more things we have invested into, but out of the public info we do have, I'm not sure how to turn it into a funny right now
Edit: Considering the outcome of this whole carrier debacle, I think we might be torn between two extremes (assuming no war occurs)
Almost certainly China will want us expand our military, because what is a US carrier doing so close to mainland China (yada yada). Basically, China will want to use us to saber rattle, and we might get bonuses to immdiate military development (like expanding our port and AA defense). On the other hand, I think now would be the perfect moment to focus on economy and education. We can do this, and spin it as trying to deescalate any lingering tensions and worries the US ight have, while also trying to hide any military development from the US (since they would be spying our nation the hardest right after this incident).
I do want us to commit to at least 2 or 3 actions in a turn, instead of just expanding our school system, but I don't mind taking a turn to just focus on education
I'm just having trouble imagining how you fail at teaching people to grow plants* in a funny way... but that may just be me running on a couple hours of sleep
*Yes, I know we have a couple of more things we have invested into, but out of the public info we do have, I'm not sure how to turn it into a funny right now
Edit: Considering the outcome of this whole carrier debacle, I think we might be torn between two extremes (assuming no war occurs)
Almost certainly China will want us expand our military, because what is a US carrier doing so close to mainland China (yada yada). Basically, China will want to use us to saber rattle, and we might get bonuses to immdiate military development (like expanding our port and AA defense). On the other hand, I think now would be the perfect moment to focus on economy and education. We can do this, and spin it as trying to deescalate any lingering tensions and worries the US ight have, while also trying to hide any military development from the US (since they would be spying our nation the hardest right after this incident).
I do want us to commit to at least 2 or 3 actions in a turn, instead of just expanding our school system, but I don't mind taking a turn to just focus on education
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Honestly, the big reason I asked about the one action only boost, is well...
A good education system sounds like something that could give massive dividends down the line if done well.🤷♂️
A good education system sounds like something that could give massive dividends down the line if done well.🤷♂️
Honestly, that makes sense, but I would at least ask that we specify in detail several sub-actions for improving education, rather than just making it one roll. We are still relying on the die, after all, and things could go poorly. Making a detailed plan, like @CyberEnby suggested earlier could alleviate the risk with additional bonuses.
I still prefer spending at least 1 action on something else, but I'm willing to support a education-only focused plan (I think we could pick another option or two that would synergize well with expanding our education, but it really depends on what our options are for next turn)
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Education's d12 Roll would actually go into how well you would implement the various components of a Sub-Turn vote. You would choose how long the education would take, how many tracks there'd be, which areas are elevated, supressed, what is ignored, etc. Alongside some focus on how history is modified by you.
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Would putting together an Inner Circle or people we trust expand the number of actions we could take before we hit maluses?
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No. At this point, the only way to gain more Actions without triggering maluses would be to select the Successful Five-Year-Plan Trait for that.
Which competes with the other traits you can choose.
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Would these sub-votes come with their own Reputation/People's Opinion/Chinese Opinion costs? I don't want up pulling the trigger on education reform and finding out our Reputation is too low to say... teach the failures of the previous administration so that we don't repeat past mistakes.
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No, you would not have to pay anything not stated beforehand. These options are more in line with how difficult, long, and intense the changes are.
Creating a system completely different to what the world/Chinese have right now would take longer (read: more Actions) to implement than copying them wholesale.
Weren't soviet education systems good? Could we take pointers from them, especially anything specific? I remember broad strokes that they had better education, but not any specifics about how they accomplished those results
Or could we ask for Soviet professors to come and help set up and start a proper education system? I'm sure they would be interested in our electronics systems, and I think if they help us with a significant enough renovation of our education system, it might be worth it.
Does anyone else have any other ideas for education systems? (And please don't say charter schools... just, ... no ...)
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You can take pointers, take anything special you like, or get experimental, as your education system was near completely ignored by Jungmin's father.
Seriously, you start at 19th century finnish education system levels.
Anything you'll do will improve the system.
You can very much do just that! The Chinese won't like it, but they are... uh, busy, for the forseeable future. (Read: Two Turns.)
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What, did Outer Heaven Start a Civil War there, discrediting their abilities, and force them to try and fight back on an economic level that they are not ready for? And prevent them from getting onto the UNSC permanent membership status?
Or are they just really fucked up by internal problems?
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Ehhhhh, Soviet education was just normal education with the required amount of funding allocated to it - at least if my early years in the Moldovian public school system are representative of the wider approach the Soviets took to it. We'd really want to move beyond the batch production of standardized workers if we want to actually do Communism.
Montessori education is what we should look at as a starting point. Even the early name (Scientific Pedagogy) for their approach should tickle a Technocrat's sense of Progress.
Providing two meals a day to the students and making sure that schools have first dibs on food allocation should eliminate childhood malnutrition.
Having students take charge of the day to day upkeep of the school like cooking meals, janitorial duties, etc. would be good to teach them all practical skills as well as get them thinking about how to automate away the more unpleasant jobs.
Starting school later in the day would be great - I'm pretty sure kids and teens in particular have different cyricadian rhythms so they go to sleep later and wake up later.
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YES, DING DONG, Mao is dead.
Now we just need the Gang of 4 of China to make things worse before Deng can make things better.
... Wait, Mao being dead is a bad thing!
Oh god we're fucked.
So, I could definitely see the disparity in results between US and USSR being because the US didn't allocate adequate funding.
The montessori method sounds interesting, and I could honestly see why it might produce better results. However, I think we need to think about how we get more educators for our school system then. I thought we could import foreign educators to a certain extent (to make up for small size of our educated workforce). However, I'm not so sure how we would really integrate foreign teachers with this system. I can easily see teachers more familiar with rigid systems just unable to work in this environment. This is not to say we shouldn't go with this, because this sounds like a really interesting system, but I think we should consider what the drawbacks to this system are and how we could minimize them.
edit: Thank you for posting the link @CyberEnby. It was really informative and oh no, now I am down the wikipedia rabbithole! I didn't realize there were so many educational theories! I don't think I'm going to be coming back for a while, guys!
YES, DING DONG, Mao is dead.
Now we just need the Gang of 4 of China to make things worse before Deng can make things better.
... Wait, Mao being dead is a bad thing!
Oh god we're fucked.
Wait, did Mao die before the Iwa Jima incident? Are we relying on a rudderless China to protect us, @HeroCooky?
OH NO! We are sooo screwed!
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It's a good point but I think it's just something we have to work around - schooling is such a long term investment that it pays to get it right the first time. And Montessori was apprently known in Southeast Asia and India, so I have a feeling that's where a bunch of our foreign experts will come from. The key I think will be to establish teacher's colleges and do school expansions in time with graduating classes. It will just mean that school expansions will take place at a steady pace - about 1 expansion every two turns.
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Yeah, I think education reform is something that woudl best be done now while the school system is fairly... anemic. It'l be easier to get a low number of teachers retrained than doing it after we expand the school system.
In other news, oe of the things I'd like to make next is a modular vehicle because apparently we don't have enough/good trucks for native logistics and military use. Now, Gunangchou is made of hilly terrain with poor roads, so it will have to have good torque and good suspension, and the good news is that both are provided by Iron Tiger tech. My basic idea is to do a hybrid-electric skateboard platform that we can plop mission-specific cabins onto.
Two electric motors in the 'long and skinny' configuration provide lots of torque. I've laid them out at the front and back because that distributes weight better and leads to better handling. The wheels are mounted on motorcycle like swing-arms to give them lots of travel, and the suspension is hydropneumatic - that is it uses a compressible gas (nitrogen) to act as a spring and the hydraulic fluid transmits force to the gas reservoir and governs stiffness and ride height (Iron Tiger derived tech), this has a number od advantages oaver steel springs but in our world it's not very common because the inventor patented it and most car manufacturers didn't want to fork over the cash to use it (IP law delenda est).
Power is provided by both a battery bank and a gas turbine-motogenerator pairing. The gas turbine is quite small and suitable for cruising, and it's designed to run continuously at it's optimal RPM so it's quite efficient. It's also lighter, quieter, and lower maintenance than a piston engine because it's got no reciprocating masses and operate in a continuous fashion. The battery bank provides the energy for rapid acceleration.
Now, the drive train is going to be controversial, and I'm open to changing it, but I think the idea has some merit. Basically we use beefed up bicycle chain to connect the front and back wheels on one side together. This sort of chain drive is used on motorbikes and it's got good efficiency. It's also very lightweight as well as being simple to service. Because one motor drives the left side and the other drives the right side, we can now do differential steering like a tank. The wheels don't need to turn left and right, they are fixed in place, and we don't need a differential. All this should make these INCREDIBLY low maintenance vehicle. If we were literally anyone else this would be a little insane at this point, but the robustness of our electronics is... something else, so I'm comfortably using drive-by-wire.
Overall, I'm expecting performance and fuel efficiency to be about the same as a straight ICE engine car because while we eliminated a bunch of weight from things like the differential and transmission or the use of a lighter turbine engine, the electric motors are pretty hefty as well. The real benefit would be the low maintenance, ride quality, and great torque. It will also make it easier to fully electrify our transportation later once we crack Lithium batteries because they'll be backwards compatible.
Now, on top of this skateboard you can put down whatever you please. A cab with a flatbed for cargo, a fully enclosed general purpose military transport cabin like the Humvee, a pair of S-125 missiles for air defense, etc. For larger loads it can even be turned into a sort of semi-truck by switching to a much larger turbine engine and hooking it up to a trailer that has one or two more motors.
It's also readily convertible to civilian use - in a pinch the high torque should let us function as a tractor, or we can add a passenger trailer to make a bus, or just use it as a cargo truck.
How do you know my weakness!? I could never say no to a good truck.
Don't worry. Everyone is paranoid over WHATEVER we have hidden under our hat that makes us so confidant we are at no risk of losing an invasion.
Now if one of the big players decides to 'call our bluff' and take a swing at us, we MAY be in trouble.
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Don't worry. Everyone is paranoid over WHATEVER we have hidden under our hat that makes us so confidant we are at no risk of losing an invasion.
Now if one of the big players decides to 'call our bluff' and take a swing at us, we MAY be in trouble.
I really want to like, finish modernizing our military with Iron Tiger tech, then invite ambassadors from all the bigshots (PRC, USSR, USA, Japan, etc.) and have watch their reactions to Iron Tigers escorting mechanized infantry mounted on hybrid electric vehicles, with networked IADS rolling in behind on one side of the parade ground. Then on the other side we'll have the civilian versions: trucks, tractors, power loaders, a few CNC mills on flatbeds, etc.
For the piece de resistance, a flyover of our new fighters that ends with one of them slowing down and going into a tail-sitting VTOL landing right behind the Great Leader's lectern before Jungmin gets out of the cockpit (it's a two-seater, we do need an actually pilot to fly this thing) and climbs down do deliver his Big Speech praising the efforts of Gunangchou's workers and soldiers towards making the communist dream a reality, framed all the while by a jet fighter that wouldn't look too out of place in a Japanese mecha anime. (Should her wear aviator shades? Eh, roll for it.)
The bricks that would be shat would be enough to build at least one more steel foundry.
Don't worry. Everyone is paranoid over WHATEVER we have hidden under our hat that makes us so confidant we are at no risk of losing an invasion.
Now if one of the big players decides to 'call our bluff' and take a swing at us, we MAY be in trouble.
See, I don't like the fact the china doesn't have our back, and everyone knows China doesn't have our back. Furthermore, until the situation settles with a singular leader, it is too easy to imagine a Chinese general to try something stupid, on their own, without the agreement of the rest of the country, because dealing with this crisis is a chance to show their strength.
Like, I really hope Russia intervenes, especially if the UN becomes involved. We really aren't prepared to even bluff the US with the whole 'mystery weapon' angle. Like, the US probably imagines that we can turn this whole mess into another Vietnam with our secret weapon.... but no one believes that we can just straight up face the US. Right?
I understand everyone is freaked out that we aren't doing the whole military clownshow to demonstrate our strength, but they can't be thinking we are just prepared to face down the entire US if it comes down to it, right?
Earlier, I thought they might be far more timid because attacking us because that might get china involved, and they didn't want to escalate to that kind of conflict... But if there is no risk of escalation of the conflict, beyond our own, I am not sure what is stopping them. It feels like there just isn't a big enough threat now to be a deterrent for the US if China isn't supporting us. What huge threat to the US could we pose on our own that would give the US pause... and not just a secret weapon that would work well for one invasion attempt.
Like, if this happened at any other time, we would be fine. But the US can probably spin beached carrier into hostage crisis, and propogandize any military intervention as prisoner rescue.
Maybe I am being a bit too sensitive about this situation. I might just be reading how the US is responding to the situation and us wrong.
edit: To be clear, I still find the image of us bluffing the US to be fun and funny, but the whole china situation now has me (maybe a bit too much over-) concerned
I can see the situation in my minds eye. While I am not sure we want to be spending on such a large military, the scene you paint here is beautiful.
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I think there would have to be a degree of maskirovka involved almost by necessity - basically us pulling ALL our military units into this parade and leaving wooden cutouts to staff our bases so that overflights don't notice that we've concentrated all our forces. Given that we're unveiling shape-shifting VTOL fighters, humanoid mecha, and hell, maybe even a hydrofoil submarine or something equally crazy, people will probably be a bit too busy freaking out to notice?
Like, it's hard to overstate how much the West overestimated the Soviet Union. For instance they were kind of freaking out over the Foxhound before a Soviet pilot defected and it turned out it was a fairly bland interceptor.
Meanwhile, here's Guangchou, who hasn't just met their worst expectations about the USSR's technological acumen, but wildly exceeded them. Like, Memetic Guangchou in their minds would instantly become Mysterious Super Advanced Orientals From The Moon (I may have thrown up a little in my mouth as I typed this), and that's something we can work with.
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You know, there is so much stupid shit the CIA believed and there is so much stupid shit the CIA did, and I think I have trouble realizing what passed for rationality back in the day sometimes....
So yeah, this is a fair point. The US may just have that bad an idea about what is going on here, and fall to a bluff.
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Like, the Cold War was such a deeply weird time, and we're about to make it even more-so.