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That Time I Became A Dictator Of A Small Asian Communist Nation
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It's kinda funny how 'impractical mad science Nazi stuff popping up in East Asia' actually has historical basis for it. Meaning that Iron Tiger existing might actually be semi-realistic.
Ah, reality. You never cease to amaze.
I think I remember someone, somewhere once said this about IRL historyKugelpanzer - Wikipedia
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It's kinda funny how 'impractical mad science Nazi stuff popping up in East Asia' actually has historical basis for it. Meaning that Iron Tiger existing might actually be semi-realistic.
Ah, reality. You never cease to amaze.
It doesn't have to proscribe to any sense of 'realism fiction often needs to.'
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About mecha. People do realize that mechas are basically a glass canons? Sure, they may have better maneuvers at their disposal, but one glancing hit and they can't move anymore. They have so much points of failure that it's insane. One glancing hit to the leg from t-72 and that thing is falling down. One direct hit and that thingis never walking again without major repairs. And I don't talk about man portable armor destroying weaponry. They have potential, but in a 70 years or so as a man sized drones.
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T: I'd reckon that we're better served sticking with small mechs. Ones that can go places a tank just won't fit; alleys, some buildings, between trees in the jungle, all while carrying vehicle-level firepower.
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Yeah, so like humans or man-sized drones. Actually the two places I see those mechs being actually useful are the sea based ship protectors (like a plane carrier, but with deep sea based small followers, that are going to be very useful against other ships or submarines, instead of plains) or in a low gravity out of earth battles.
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Yes.
We're not planning on having Mechas completely replace conventional armored vehicles, but there are specific tasks that they will be good for, such as S&R or Construction/Repair in difficult terrain.
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Z: We had an idea: what if we tried generalizing the fancy tech from the Iron Tigers (like that sweet turbine engine, electronics, and whatever bs cost savings they managed to work in without compromising functionality), and applied it to more conventional vehicles?
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So Commercialize the tech that makes the Mech special, and corner the market?
THat sounds genius, why haven't we done that?
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Because it generates more attention and proof as to where the laufpanzer tech actually ended up: with us.
The US suspects, but good luck explaining that to China when they find out and start insisting we share.
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I suspect it's also got some form of electro-hydrostatic actuation where the hydraulic pistons are driven by an electric servo-pump mounted directly on the actuator. It's lighter than a central hydraulic pump and electrical connections are much easier to lay across joints than hydraulic ones (solid metal piping at the pressures we need).
It would make sense why the words were moved the here as well: Guangchou has a local source of rare earth metals needed to make the high performance electric motors.
Our ability to make use of any of this however is curtailed by our lack of a skilled work force.
I would suggest throwing the CIA a bone by making some obvious progress on an air defense network next turn and making angry noises about their SR-71 overflights. That way it looks like we're reacting to an external threat.
If we need to downplay how good our electronics are we could make it look like we are taking a swarm missle approach. Baiscly we make the CIA think we need 4 missles where the US or Russia need 1.
Only nope and it turns out later we just desgined to be able to counter an aerial zerg rush.
Only nope and it turns out later we just desgined to be able to counter an aerial zerg rush.
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We don't have native aluminum production capability, do we?
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You have a small native aluminum production capacity.
Edit: Grammar.
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Pretty sure we're running on rule of cool here. Real life physics hit the bricks at roughly the same point Nazi Superscience poked its head around the corner of the door with hyper advanced electronics and armour composites. At this point you may as well just sit back and wait for the Gundams to start flying around on energy wings by 2010.
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Yeah... I will go with cyber ninjas, in a cyber ninja vs Gundam battle
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I'd prefer we stuck to a more realistic portrayal of mecha: niche applications, with the real benefits coming from applying mecha tech to other areas.
As per the GMs most recent posts, were switching to a mass based classification scheme, so no Gundams. 4 meter tall bipedal is going to be our upper limit (and not necessarily one we even want to reach).
I don't want to operate that much by rule of cool, it makes planning things a pain because things get too subjective.
We can also soft retcon some of the more outlandish stuff as Jungmin's staff being overly enthusiastic or unfamiliar with the actual global state of the art.
That way it's still a major advantage to us, but no longer an Out of Context problem.
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If we're going for a more realistic take on mechs, then I see these key technologies as critical to it's existence.
1. Turbine Engine (light and high powered powerplant, likely based on late WW2 German jet engines)
2. Titanium Armor & Frame (a major reason the project was even done in Guangchuo was the abundance of titanium without which the mech would be far too slow to move. This isn't that big a deal, Soviet infantry had Ti plate body armor inserts in later years IIRC)
3. High Power Electric Motors (permanent neodymium magnet motors necessary to build the pumps for the electrohydrostatic actuators, again Guangchou's resources help explain why this was done here)
4. Integrated Circuit Electronics (necessary to both balance the mech and run the stepper motors that the EHA actuators use)
#4 is by far the most outrageous one, because it requires the Nazis to have made the jump from vacuum tubes, to MOSFETs, to integrated circuits and then achieved several transistor density doubling steps.
My recommendation to @HeroCooky is a soft retcon that has the Nazi scientists were captured and put to work by Wei Cai after the revolution as his personal ace in the hole before all dying off from age or being killed off by an increasingly paranoid Wei Cai, leaving the facility abandoned after a while. Letting development continue past the end of WW2 makes the whole thing a lot more plausible.
1. Turbine Engine (light and high powered powerplant, likely based on late WW2 German jet engines)
2. Titanium Armor & Frame (a major reason the project was even done in Guangchuo was the abundance of titanium without which the mech would be far too slow to move. This isn't that big a deal, Soviet infantry had Ti plate body armor inserts in later years IIRC)
3. High Power Electric Motors (permanent neodymium magnet motors necessary to build the pumps for the electrohydrostatic actuators, again Guangchou's resources help explain why this was done here)
4. Integrated Circuit Electronics (necessary to both balance the mech and run the stepper motors that the EHA actuators use)
#4 is by far the most outrageous one, because it requires the Nazis to have made the jump from vacuum tubes, to MOSFETs, to integrated circuits and then achieved several transistor density doubling steps.
My recommendation to @HeroCooky is a soft retcon that has the Nazi scientists were captured and put to work by Wei Cai after the revolution as his personal ace in the hole before all dying off from age or being killed off by an increasingly paranoid Wei Cai, leaving the facility abandoned after a while. Letting development continue past the end of WW2 makes the whole thing a lot more plausible.
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No soft retcon needed, as that is basically what happened (unless I failed to mention/re-write that part) during the pre-quest times.
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Unfortunately, the Vietnam War ends in 1975, so we won't have time to fight our way through hordes of American troops under-equipped with backwards, crude weapons and primitive methods of fighting using our advanced communist Robo-soldiers. 
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Well, I am thinking about some good comrades of certain organization committing some acts of sabotage. There will be bloodshed, that is for certain. Far less USA soldiers would be able to have Vietnam flashbacks in this timeline.Unfortunately, the Vietnam War ends in 1975, so we won't have time to fight our way through hordes of American troops under-equipped with backwards, crude weapons and primitive methods of fighting using our advanced communist Robo-soldiers.
Edit: btw bipedal armored machine is actually pretty stupid. They only make sense if they can fly. So nuclear powered energy wings with power field is a minimum for mechas to be effective.
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Ah, I think that's what happened, I didn't find any mention of how exactly we got the mechs or what our father did with them. 😅