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Chargone said:
Runabouts are as much small ships in their own right as they are large shuttles.
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Yeah. It's not always obvious from the set but they're the size of a medium boat. They've got their own conference room and everything. It's just the set most seen is the cockpit which LOOKS like a shuttle.

They're actually one of my favorite ships. Perfect medium for adventure stories. And then there's the Delta Flyer, which is a hero shuttlecraft that pairs well with a Runabout for a fleet of mini-ships.
 
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KnightDisciple said:
I don't love it, but kind of the same.

I would like to see a project down the road to take this ship hull and "adjust" it into the more classical Constitution lines, and more firmly establish that as the "Explorer Paradigm". I love making new and weird hull shapes, but I also want the Classical Beauties to still exist.
A good compromise, then, is to have Constitution-II/Block II Constitutions that end up looking more like the Movie-Enterprise, complete with full saucer, larger secondary hull and neck, and the more traditional "stretched out" posture.
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No, we are building this as out TOS equivalent Constitution/Enterprise There is no need to build another one immediatly after.
gamer50018 said:
[ ] Main Cargo Bay (+3 Cargo)
[ ] Expanded Medical (+2 Science)

Frankly, the only reason you could conceivably want anything else on a dedicated warship is because you want it to steal the five year mission profile out of spite. If so, go right on ahead.
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This warship was always going to be used for other stuff after the war. Also thee is no other ship it could steal the five year missions from so your complaint is not really working.

ZeldaFan said:
Constitution is shaping up to be an absolute beast, and one made on a tight budget to boot so it can have a bigger production.

Thunderchild if I recall was given a blank cheque in its design due to Earth and a major colony literally getting nuked by the Romulan Empire and needing a giant FAFO Anchor to punch their faces in.

If next design gives us a blank cheque for a super ship/Dreadnought that would be extremely bad because it would mean the Klingons have managed something similar before the Constitution series can fully deploy.
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Now that i can get behind a nice Thunderchild A dreadnought perhaps our excelsior equivalent?

gamer50018 said:
Don't bother mate - everyone's already decided to shoehorne this into being the most jank explorer in history so they can laugh at the rest of us when we get upset by it. Just vote and move on.

[X] Main Cargo Bay (+3 Cargo)
[X] Expanded Medical (+2 Science)
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This ship was always going to be the canons Constitutions equivalent in thread just with a very explicit combat focus over other stuff.

Sayle said:
Honestly for the Radiant/Newton I'm basically just going off the non-canon/nuTrek designs shapes and figuring out what sort of loadout they were likely to have in the SDB continuity.

I wasn't tracking overall build amount that far back, I think, probably because it was later that there started being a lot of interest in precisely how many hulls of each ship were built.

In total, the Sagarmatha-class consisted of twelve hulls: Sagarmatha, Kilimanjaro, Seleya, Olympus, Fuji, Matterhorn, Denali, Vesuvius, Elbrus, Toubkal, Aoraki, and Sinai.

The first run of the Kea-class consisted of four ships: the Kea, Kakapo, Cockatiel, and Macaw; all built between 2211 and 2214. The Saladin-class was commissioned in a similar timeframe in eight hulls: the Saladin, Hamilcar, Hannibal, Kublai, Temujin, Lysander, Darius, and Xerxes.

For the Cygnus we have Cygnus, Peregrine, Kingfisher, Osprey, and Goshawk.

For the Curiosity there was Curiosity, Spirity, Sojourner, and Pioneer. So Mars probes, basically. But they were decommissioned in 2220.
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I think you should threadmark this one @Sayle
gamer50018 said:
My confidence in the good faith of the rest of this thread is in the negatives at present. Between that and the number of people who are outright using every possible method to bend this into being an explorer solely to make it be one, I am calling it how I damn well see it.
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This was always going to be our Canon Consitution analoga man. I get that you wanted to build the canon ship but then go watch TOS and leave us in peace please?
 
darkstarling said:
Yeah. It's not always obvious from the set but they're the size of a medium boat. They've got their own conference room and everything. It's just the set most seen is the cockpit which LOOKS like a shuttle.

They're actually one of my favorite ships. Perfect medium for adventure stories. And then there's the Delta Flyer, which is a hero shuttlecraft that pairs well with a Runabout for a fleet of mini-ships.
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Actually, they're only about 23.1*14*6 metres, with some margin of error length wise. The rear section also appears to be of a pod/modular concept, being able to be swapped about.

Being generous and assuming only 20% extra length is needed for handling facilities a runabout gets you 27.72m, or nearly 20% of the length of our saucer.
 
darkstarling said:
I agree cargo is important, but we literally just built a space truck for the purpose
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Space is so utterly vast that having ships leaving from one part of the federation to another between mission with a "Oh hey while your going that way, bring this as its super important." is never going to NOT be valuable. Like no matter how much carry capacity its probably never going to be enough. But the fact that we gave it such a huge gas tank is really the breadwinner. It can go massive distances, and with its modern warp drive, can get it there in a hurry.

To boot, it is well armed so sending it to explore, or investigate troubled border colonies, makes it a good candidate to shoot things that need shooting when it gets there. Cargo holds just have a lot of synergy with what we have thus far.
 
[X] Expanded Medical (+2 Science)
[X] Science Labs (+4 Science)

Said it earlier but Science + Medicine feels the most starfleet to me.
 
Tank man said:
Actually, they're only about 23.1*14*6 metres, with some margin of error length wise. The rear section also appears to be of a pod/modular concept, being able to be swapped about.

Being generous and assuming only 20% extra length is needed for handling facilities a runabout gets you 27.72m, or nearly 20% of the length of our saucer.
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Sorry, I meant medium for a real life civilian boat because that's a scale I'm familiar with.
 
Edited earlier vote because I scream, you scream, we all scream for ice cream! Also now regretting not voting for the hydroponics bay. I could really go for a banana split.
 
darkstarling said:
Some people get offended we're making the Enterprise a war ship, some people get offended we're making a war ship the Enterprise, some people are offended we're making a war ship at all... you just can't win in this room can you. At least when war is involved.

There's a metaphor there.
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Lohjak said:
Why are people getting heated over a vote that literally doesn't affect the tactical of this ship at all

like

this is mostly just going to be a few lines of fluff in the retrospective
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*points at avatar* We're basically having a religious debate over our god.
 
With a difference of 66 unless an unprecedented 66 more voters come in and vote exclusively for main cargo bay it looks like the firm winners are expanded medical and science labs.

Adhoc vote count started by Tank man on Oct 25, 2024 at 4:08 PM, finished with 331 posts and 123 votes.
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[X] Expanded Medical (+2 Science)
[X] Science Labs (+4 Science)

[X] Ice Cream Maker (+2 Scoops)
Unless it's an entire parlour with a vast walk-in freezer, it shouldn't need an entire module. Have dry/powdered ingredients in the general food storage and just make up small batches as needed. It could fit in the canteen/crew lounge.

Although I now have the image of KanColle versions of all the ships we've created- chasing after a shortstack Connie, who they've discovered has tubs of Ben & Jerries Cookie Dough and doesn't want to share.
 
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