Project: Gamer Ver. 2 (Young Justice/Gamer/Multicross OC)

[ForestGardener]

'If anyone ever threatens you to get information on me? Just tell them what they want to know. I'd rather deal with cleaning up a mess instead of finding out that you've gone missing. Or worse.'

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And if you do go missing, I'm going to scry-and-die. But I'm not telling you that so your hypothetical kidnappers can't force you to warn them.

Could have easily emphasized the 'Shinra was the authorities' by saying the mega-corp had become a nation-state unto itself and just finished winning a war against another nation-state. And that if he had turned the Shinra leadership over to one of the other governments, they probably would have executed most of them anyway. While employing the worst offender as "too useful".

all based on the one particular bit of phlebotinium called 'Mako'. Anyway, the magic part is connected to the planet and the planet had a sort of auto-immune system.

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... Alchemist failed to mention what Mako is and how Shinra was using it. That this company was burning the literal life-blood of the planet is important information, especially in the context of said planet demanding their help.

Also, auto-immune is when the immune system attacks the body it is supposed to protect.

"...Would it help if you could see some of these events and people as I did?" He knew that he wasn't going to do as good a job explaining things as well as giving her an opportunity to play the same games would.

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True but he could still make the attempt. Mentioning that all but one of the Shinra leadership were psychopaths who condoned and/or ordered and/or personally committed mass murders of innocents, along with describing a handful of individual incidents, would go a long way to convincing almost anyone that these people needed to die. Especially with what Alchemist already told her.

The point is not to convince Chase Meridian. For the sake of his morals, conscience, and peace of mind Alchemist should not be trying to convince her. He's talking to a psychiatrist, not a jury. But communicating all the important facts of the matter is still very important.

Like the fact that he had a list, and only killed those on that list. That he simply executed, rather than making their deaths intentionally painful.

That he threw up afterwards, and still hates that he did it, that he couldn't see a better option. That he hasn't told anyone in the League for fear of what most of them will think.

No one has said anything even remotely close to derogatory for any sort of preference, sexual or otherwise. Let alone one as tame as being a furry.

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As far as I'm aware the only person to say anything derogatory about furries in this thread is Talia Al Ghul, and she is the Flying Fox.

Is there a risk of rabies being able to transmit to these partially animal people? Or some magical variants thereof?

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Rabies can transmit to humans in our world. "Treatment after exposure can prevent the disease if given within 10 days. The rabies vaccine is 100% effective if given early, and still has a chance of success if delivery is delayed.[27][29][75]" Once symptoms develop, rabies is almost guaranteed to be fatal; in fact the first known symptomatic survivor was in 2003 via a procedure that involved a medically induced coma.

 

[BigToFu]

And this is why we need more Alfred, the guy is amazing 👏

 

[Solaries]

On the subject of Al letting Yuffie fight off chickenpox, wouldn't a doctor just straight up demand he cure her then and there if they knew he was able?

Once you recover from chickenpox (As I understand it) you're forever at risk of contracting Shingles later in life (Since its just Chickenpox waking back up, cracking its knuckles and going for round two) As I've recently had to watch a relative of mine suffer through the near-on debilitating pain inflicted, I hope it will be adressed.

Disclaimer: No I'm not a doctor, blah blah blah. This is not medical advice

 

[H341ZP1Z]

You're the one who chose to write a plotline where the punchline is literally just "look at how weird and stupid furries are."

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Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't understand where this angle is coming from. You seem to just be taking offense for the sake of taking offense. In fact it didn't seem like a dig a furries to me at all, more a dig at Batman for getting into constant altercations with women who manage to outwit him.

There is no punchline that is 'literally just' "look at how weird and stupid furries are." Instead you're jumping on a perceived slight toward furries where there is none because you 'chose' to interpret a very clear snip at Batmans women problems into something about furries.

Are you just having a bad day or something? Because it seem like you're taking out your frustration here.

 

[tri2]

Mechanically, you are correct. Magic tends to work conceptually though, so "fundamental difference" is likely to be vastly less important than "we just think" is. Of course, this is heavily dependent upon which magic one is utilising...

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So what if the fundamental fact that Batman's operates like a machine (never stopping always working) is enough for repair to work on him anyways?

 

[Greyfax]

You seem to just be taking offense for the sake of taking offense.

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Welcome to woke 2022. If you're not able to drum up some contrived outrage on nominal behalf of a supposed victim group who never elected you as their advocate you're not doing it right

OP: Great story! Please ignore those who can't take a joke without making an issue out of it.

 

[Thunder999]

On the subject of Al letting Yuffie fight off chickenpox, wouldn't a doctor just straight up demand he cure her then and there if they knew he was able?

Once you recover from chickenpox (As I understand it) you're forever at risk of contracting Shingles later in life (Since its just Chickenpox waking back up, cracking its knuckles and going for round two) As I've recently had to watch a relative of mine suffer through the near-on debilitating pain inflicted, I hope it will be adressed.

Disclaimer: No I'm not a doctor, blah blah blah. This is not medical advice

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He can just magic away shingles if it happens, and that'd be much less frequent than chicken pox.

 

[Nalanaya]

Did I miss something? Where did the fic insult Furries? Or how?

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So, a while back Talia and Ra's were convinced by Alchemists memes about Batman being a demi-furry (because both are effectively socially incompetent when it comes to interactions that don't fit in tight niche of 'international ninja assassin/mastermind'. So straight seduction and what not works just fine, but comprehending what exactly a Furry is, and taking cues on Batman...not so much.) combined with his surprisingly consistent track of flirting/fighting with women like Selina and Cheetah (and I guess YJ generally pairing WW with Superman rather then Batman when it comes to casual flirting).

Talia then decided to make a new identity as the Flying Fox from a combination of internet knowledge of Furries and presumably the cheesiest of Sentai style hero shows (because again, ruthless assassin woman with a sheltered upbringing that doesn't really get Bruce as a Hero or assumed furry, but 'knows' both factors are critical to seducing him, and then bringing him to the Dark Side once he's caught).

Now, the reality is that the Flying Fox isn't a complete furry in costume or action, and she definitely isn't in personality. But she is close to one in costume, spews UwU memes because she got all her information from the internet, and her peppy 'hero of justice' act only synergizes with it in a wonderfully horrible manner. And, uh, going by this chapter, it seems to have worked (though probably because Bruce saw through it, and was already fairly hung up on Talia, and not because the 'brilliant' plan to lure the Bat with fluffy tail worked).

Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't understand where this angle is coming from. You seem to just be taking offense for the sake of taking offense. In fact it didn't seem like a dig a furries to me at all, more a dig at Batman for getting into constant altercations with women who manage to outwit him.

There is no punchline that is 'literally just' "look at how weird and stupid furries are." Instead you're jumping on a perceived slight toward furries where there is none because you 'chose' to interpret a very clear snip at Batmans women problems into something about furries.

Are you just having a bad day or something? Because it seem like you're taking out your frustration here.

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Eh, to be fair I think it is fairly easy to draw the conclusion that the chap is mocking Furries? The thing is, this is a fairly long running gag that has only come up in detail a couple times now. So it's easy to forget that Alfred isn't joking about a shot because Furries are frothing at the mouth animals, he's saying it because the Flying Fox has been around for a bit and her act is crazy. Brutally beating the shit out of criminals, then jumping off a roof and leaving an echoing cry of Uwuuuu after leaving poor Robin very confused. The joke is about Talia, not the group she only loosely resembles, or that Alchemist made an obviously and deliberately incorrect connection to Batman to at the beginning of the story.

 

[spiritualatheist]

Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't understand where this angle is coming from. You seem to just be taking offense for the sake of taking offense. In fact it didn't seem like a dig a furries to me at all, more a dig at Batman for getting into constant altercations with women who manage to outwit him.

There is no punchline that is 'literally just' "look at how weird and stupid furries are." Instead you're jumping on a perceived slight toward furries where there is none because you 'chose' to interpret a very clear snip at Batmans women problems into something about furries.

Are you just having a bad day or something? Because it seem like you're taking out your frustration here.

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All of the "humor" in the Talia bits comes from this powerful character becoming a furry, and that's "funny" because furries are viewed as a weird and dumb subculture which Talia is treated as crazy for wanting to be a part of. That's really all the furry rep we have in the story.

Alfred making a an off-color joke is just another part of that pattern.

 

[Altyre]

the first known symptomatic survivor was in 2003 via a procedure that involved a medically induced coma.

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Off-topic fun fact -
This procedure is called 'The Milwaukee Protocol' and has its own entry on the Godzilla Threshold TVTropes page because it's the medical version of setting your patient on fire and checking in periodically to see if the fire made them better.

 

[spiritualatheist]

So, a while back Talia and Ra's were convinced by Alchemists memes about Batman being a demi-furry (because both are effectively socially incompetent when it comes to interactions that don't fit in tight niche of 'international ninja assassin/mastermind'. So straight seduction and what not works just fine, but comprehending what exactly a Furry is, and taking cues on Batman...not so much.) combined with his surprisingly consistent track of flirting/fighting with women like Selina and Cheetah (and I guess YJ generally pairing WW with Superman rather then Batman when it comes to casual flirting).

Talia then decided to make a new identity as the Flying Fox from a combination of internet knowledge of Furriest and presumably the cheesiest of Sentai style hero shows (because again, ruthless assassin woman with a sheltered upbringing that doesn't really get Bruce as a Hero or assumed furry, but 'knows' both factors are critical to seducing him, and then bringing him to the Dark Side once he's caught).

Now, the reality is that the Flying Fox isn't a complete furry in costume and action, and she definitely isn't in personality. But she is close to one in costume, spews UwU memes because she got all her information from the internet, and her peppy 'hero of justice' act only synergizes with it in a wonderfully horrible manner. And, uh, going by this chapter, it seems to have worked (though probably because Bruce saw through it, and was already fairly hung up on Talia, and not because the 'brilliant' plan to lure the Bat with fluffy tail worked).


Eh, to be fair I think it is fairly easy to draw the conclusion that the chap is mocking Furries? The thing is, this is a fairly long running gag that has only come up in detail a couple times now. So it's easy to forget that Alfred isn't joking about a shot because Furries are frothing at the mouth animals, he's saying it because the Flying Fox has been around for a bit and her act is crazy. Brutally beating the shit out of criminals, then jumping off a roof and leaving an echoing cry of Uwuuuu after leaving poor Robin very confused. The joke is about Talia, not the group she only loosely resembles, or that Alchemist made an obviously and deliberately incorrect connection to Batman to at the beginning of the story.

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The issue, for me at least, is that we don't have any actual furry rep other than Talia, who is, as you said, crazy. Plus, of course, furries are regularly what upon by mainstream society and especially the internet as inherently laughable degenerates.

 

[Helixical]

but the performative furry hate is in extremely poor taste

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I genuinely don't get it

 

[Nalanaya]

The issue, for me at least, is that we don't have any actual furry rep other than Talia, who is, as you said, crazy. Plus, of course, furries are regularly what upon by mainstream society and especially the internet as inherently laughable degenerates.

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You also kinda have to take into account that this is DC though. The joke at the very beginning worked because Alchemist was acting like an innocent kid that didn't really know anything. Batman very much doesn't fit the conventional understanding of 'Furry', and there are enough supers around with animal featured costumes or straight out animal features that I'm not really sure ears and/or a tail count as furry in DC (even partially). No actual Furries have ever appeared in story, and not even Talia (whom the whole joke is that she's socially an idiot based on how badly she handled the seduction of Bruce and Damien in the comics) is bad enough to dress all the way when it appears Bruce doesn't quite fit in that crowd. Since then, the jokes have all been about Talia personally, for an act and actual character that can quite easily and honestly be mocked.

There really doesn't need to BE a representative of Furries for a mild and infrequently appearing joke that isn't aimed at them in any way except the origins of Talia's misunderstood meme research.

 

[Mordimera]

All of the "humor" in the Talia bits comes from this powerful character becoming a furry, and that's "funny" because furries are viewed as a weird and dumb subculture which Talia is treated as crazy for wanting to be a part of. That's really all the furry rep we have in the story.

Alfred making a an off-color joke is just another part of that pattern.

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Talia isn't a furry tho? She just wants Bruce so badly she pretends to be after getting incorrect info. So Talia is treated as crazy because she is, nobody normal would do that. Or at least I wouldn't, don't know about you.

 

[Fencer]

*facepalms* you know after having dealt with lots of people who take coming up with the most creative insults as a game (and a few people who take it seriously and aren't happy unless they win, and you feel attacked) seeing people get bent out of shape about a joke that wouldn't even push the limits in a comedy club is just pathetic.

I thought it was pretty damn funny.

 

[Vongrak]

I personally feel like it's no more derogatory than asking if Bruce used protection during his last sexual encounter.

 

[punster lv1]

Since then, the jokes have all been about Talia personally, for an act and actual character that can quite easily and honestly be mocked

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I think the fact that she wears a fur suit in order to become sexually attractive to Bruce makes her furry adjacent enough that jokes at her expense feel like or echo digs at the furry community's expense. And I think the fact that a lot of the arguments in this plotline's defense boil down to "it wasn't that bad" doesn't help.
Edit: the aggressivity probably doesn't help either (see the post below mine).

 

[Frostynips]

You're the one who chose to write a plotline where the punchline is literally just "look at how weird and stupid furries are."

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What a god awful take on the story. You're reading to much into things that arent there bud.

 

[The Dude]

Once you recover from chickenpox (As I understand it) you're forever at risk of contracting Shingles later in life (Since its just Chickenpox waking back up, cracking its knuckles and going for round two) As I've recently had to watch a relative of mine suffer through the near-on debilitating pain inflicted, I hope it will be adressed.

Disclaimer: No I'm not a doctor, blah blah blah. This is not medical advice

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You got it backwards.
You are at risk of Shingles if you never contracted chickenpox.
Shingles is pretty much Chickenpox, but the virus affects adults more seriously than children. It can spread to the lungs in bad cases.

 

[Lycanthromancer]

You got it backwards.
You are at risk of Shingles if you never contracted chickenpox.

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Mayo Clinic says otherwise.

"Shingles is caused by the varicella-zoster virus — the same virus that causes chickenpox. After you've had chickenpox, the virus lies inactive in nerve tissue near your spinal cord and brain. Years later, the virus may reactivate as shingles."

If you catch chickenpox as an adult when you never had it as a child, it's still chickenpox. It's shingles if you had it as a child (or were vaccinated) and it reactivates later on.

 

[Kufufu]

I like this story, but the performative furry hate is in extremely poor taste.

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You're the one who chose to write a plotline where the punchline is literally just "look at how weird and stupid furries are."

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Found the furry

 

[Necratoid]

All of the "humor" in the Talia bits comes from this powerful character becoming a furry, and that's "funny" because furries are viewed as a weird and dumb subculture which Talia is treated as crazy for wanting to be a part of. That's really all the furry rep we have in the story.

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Going to disagree. What actually happened is Ra raised a cultist. Said cultist was isolated as cultists are and released into the wild. She is stapling together random factiods she found on the internet with a police report of snark from a 13 year old talking to a disgruntalled detective who'd love that kind of snark. Also said 13 year old stoner has a fuzzier than standard Batman poster in his room.

Ra knows she is off on this... its not like she hasn't seduced Batman before. This is a result of her going Why does he like 'Catwomen more than me?' Its a matter of scale. Ra's angle here is that he is experiencing the natural result of homeschooling your cultist spawn child and not letting them interact with the public. Once released into the wild they tend explode spectacularly like this.

Ra has simply failed (more) as a parent, noticed it, and solved the problem by running the hell away and dumping it on other people while escaping the blast radius.

Alfred making a an off-color joke is just another part of that pattern.

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Its more he is all scratched up like he was attacked by a rabid animal. Also I'm pretty sure he has had that shot already.

 

[Akira D.]

The issue, for me at least, is that we don't have any actual furry rep other than Talia, who is, as you said, crazy.

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Batman is right there, tho?

 

[w4terghost]

Without getting too deep into the discussion.

Is Talia a furry?
And as such, are jokes at her expense also adjacent jokes at the furry culture?

Mhhh, I'm inclined to say no.
Talia only acts in this way because she believes it is required to assist in the seduction of Batman.
She does not appear to take part in the wider part of the furry community, and does not appear to have any particularly deep or personal connection to the self expression that being a furry represents.
Now, we haven't seen a Talia POV with these changes, so perhaps she has discovered something new about herself.

Who knows?
I accept that people within the furry community may feel like this running side-side-plot is dismissive or insulting to their community.
And that's fine.
People are allowed to feel insulted by something they feel is insulting them.

 

[MaimakteriAnn]

Welcome to woke 2022. If you're not able to drum up some contrived outrage on nominal behalf of a supposed victim group who never elected you as their advocate you're not doing it right

OP: Great story! Please ignore those who can't take a joke without making an issue out of it.

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Comments like this are why this happens man. Minoritised groups have to respond to every attack, even if it is minor and nearly illusory. Because if they don't, you will try and pull the same dismissal when they have a serious problem.

Would it be too woke to complain if Talia heard batman likes Latinas and tried to adopt a new race in order to seduce him?