Random Member
Gardener of Human Happiness
- Location
- Behind You
I give it a decade, two at most, before they reunify.
Not that I'm against it, it's pretty much inevitable.
Paths of Civilization II: Paths of Industrialization
Not that I'm against it, it's pretty much inevitable.
KleverKil'Vanya
Ortillery Operator
If I block someone, am I allowed to cut them out of the vote tally as well?
Since this entire bloody argument is asinine on so many levels.
Since this entire bloody argument is asinine on so many levels.
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- Location
- Voidbetweenstars
Because fuck it, they'll hate us no matter what and at least this way we will get something out of it.
Tortun are nothing like wymrym. At least with wymrym, we can pretend with pan-Ymaryn nationalist ideology.
Seriously, why do you have a love fair affair with painting the map?
- Location
- USA
that not a very good tally then.
KleverKil'Vanya
Ortillery Operator
Ah yes all those burnt to the ground factories and never-ending nationalist revolts is totally worth your desire to kill our own people trying this.
When the votes are basically attempts to burn a quest down because they wanna be evil, I really have to question how it's not a better tally.
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- Location
- Voidbetweenstars
Because people are people no matter where they come from, and sitting back and letting them basically kill each other every 10-20 years only for us to come in and clean up is getting really stupid.
/s
Tortun lands hold literally zero strategic value for us, and are actively harmful to hold.
The only land that I want to take is Eastern Kyberi from the Nohon, and then some islands in the Pacific/Indian oceans.
Nothing in the potential meatgrinder of central syffryn.
The only land that I want to take is Eastern Kyberi from the Nohon, and then some islands in the Pacific/Indian oceans.
Nothing in the potential meatgrinder of central syffryn.
- Location
- Voidbetweenstars
Cool then we shouldn't have go into this war in the first place with that reasoning.
To late though.
KleverKil'Vanya
Ortillery Operator
You are being a bit of an ass, the reason we went to war was to avoid the prestige and diplomatic hit from Not declaring war when we damn well said we would last time.
- Location
- Voidbetweenstars
Violation of Rule 4 - If you know you're being an ass, stop. And this is verging too close on genocide cheerleading, which you've been warned about before.
that sounds overtly prideful though, our pride is apparently worth more then the lives of our men then uh?
And yes i'm being a bit of an ass, Then again apparently (I simply want to end this war as fast as possible) is the wrong way to do this despite the longer this goes on the more corpses that cover the ground.
- Location
- madison
If we chose not to take any of tortuns lands, I wonder if we'll get a reputation for not being interested in taking anyone's lands? which would be kind of useful.
KlinkerKing
Man bites dog?
- Location
- The Lion's Den
Why do you do this? It's as if you don't understand the point - we're keeping our word, which has been the mainstay of this quest, because keeping our word has given us huge amounts of trust. We're a diplomatic titan with an army the size of a small nation. We're using our diplomacy as our primary means, and by being honest we're being more liked when we go to war, as opposed to less. Stop typing for just a moment read through the arguments carefully.
Yes, yes it would.
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- Location
- Huezil
I think you really don't understand what soft-power means do you? Because apparently you seem to blatantly ignore that the word of the Double Crown means Gold, that all the goodwill our country has, that our people have died for to maintain is basically our damn words.
So yes, the pride of being a reliable nation, the pride of having enough goodwill that we have allies is worth the lives of our damn people.
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- Location
- Voidbetweenstars
*see's arguments unrelated to the point
Ok let me try this again.
What. Part. Of. Ending. This. War. As. Fast. As. Possible. Is. Against. Our. Word. That. We. Will. Clean. This. Mess. Up.?
Ok let me try this again.
What. Part. Of. Ending. This. War. As. Fast. As. Possible. Is. Against. Our. Word. That. We. Will. Clean. This. Mess. Up.?
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
- Location
- Anywhere but RL
Yes but problematic for our Keybria ambition. Awkward unless we developed euphemism or double speak.
- Location
- Huezil
Nice goalpost moving.
- Location
- Voidbetweenstars
Ok fine I was wrong about the point of the argument describing why people are ansty about wasting lives after this war.
Now answer my point.
- Location
- madison
I think we've mad it clear as day that we want Keybria, but that we're not interested in other lands. If we keep passing up chances to annex bits of other European powers eventually people are likely going to realize that's not something we consider worthwhile. I mean, we took wyrman but only because we had a fairly strong claim to it, aside from that we took a single port city and have otherwise not annexed anything outside of keybria.
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Valarauko
Demon of Power
- Location
- Angband
Because a landgrab is antithetical to cleaning up the mess? It's massively provocative diplomatically and saddles us with territory that'll hate us.
This isn't a Paradox game. More clay is not a goal in and of itself.
- Location
- Voidbetweenstars
Cool, still not against my point about the current option we have for ending this war as fast as possible.
As already stated no current option forces us to take land at any point.
(To the best of our information)
- Location
- Somewhere
We know Hespranxer might be pissed, but anyone else? We just don't know.
Monuments
- Location
- Somewhere over the rainbow
Monument Builder
It occured to Nokly, in the few poetic moments he had to himself, that he had spent his life building monuments.
His younger years had been dedicated to the making of monuments of his own stupidity, from his own poetry to how he treated the light of his life.
He had only left that phase briefly and haltingly, having only just broken free before that year.
Absently, Nokly touched his scar. Looking out through his office window at his daughter Yenyna playing out in the yard always made him feel as though he was closer to his father in some infathomable way, knowing that his child led her life in some way incomprehensible to him.
In some ways, Yenyna was the living monument to his ancestors, flourishing in the way that the black granite of loss that were his first true monument never could. And never should, because those stones were the memory of those lost. Their legacy should be free to change, but never their memory.
It was that legacy that led to the next monument a hair under a decade later, dedicated to the brotherhood between the nations of the Dual Crown and the Khemetri. The details of that, however, were quickly overshadowed by the meeting in the shade of the black granite.
Next came the creation of a monument to the Ochruhr's arrogance, being reduced from Ochruhr's former glory to bare mountains. While in hindsight the humiliation had only been temporary, it had felt real and true in the moment.
Then came the green room, a justification of the monumental spending on science that had occupied his free time. Where the black granite had spiritually healed those in its presence, the green room physically healed those basking in its light, like his daughter and her friends.
Now he was in the middle of the greatest war ever fought, the march of his armies like titans bestriding the earth. What monument would he build in its wake?
Bah. The time for poetry was in his younger years. He had work to do.
It occured to Nokly, in the few poetic moments he had to himself, that he had spent his life building monuments.
His younger years had been dedicated to the making of monuments of his own stupidity, from his own poetry to how he treated the light of his life.
He had only left that phase briefly and haltingly, having only just broken free before that year.
Absently, Nokly touched his scar. Looking out through his office window at his daughter Yenyna playing out in the yard always made him feel as though he was closer to his father in some infathomable way, knowing that his child led her life in some way incomprehensible to him.
In some ways, Yenyna was the living monument to his ancestors, flourishing in the way that the black granite of loss that were his first true monument never could. And never should, because those stones were the memory of those lost. Their legacy should be free to change, but never their memory.
It was that legacy that led to the next monument a hair under a decade later, dedicated to the brotherhood between the nations of the Dual Crown and the Khemetri. The details of that, however, were quickly overshadowed by the meeting in the shade of the black granite.
Next came the creation of a monument to the Ochruhr's arrogance, being reduced from Ochruhr's former glory to bare mountains. While in hindsight the humiliation had only been temporary, it had felt real and true in the moment.
Then came the green room, a justification of the monumental spending on science that had occupied his free time. Where the black granite had spiritually healed those in its presence, the green room physically healed those basking in its light, like his daughter and her friends.
Now he was in the middle of the greatest war ever fought, the march of his armies like titans bestriding the earth. What monument would he build in its wake?
Bah. The time for poetry was in his younger years. He had work to do.
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