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Paths of Civilization II: Paths of Industrialization

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Academia Nut said:
A slight smirk on his face, Glitter Boy said, "This is not my first trip to Kyberi, just the first one meeting with your fine tribe. I figured that with my habits and appearance you wouldn't believe that I was actually competent in the way you think of. I figured lightly annoying you until brought me to drink and then showing off the fact that I shave myself rather than get a servant to do it, even with a couple of belts of hard liquor in me, would help establish my credentials. Didn't expect to actually be able to break out my tiger stripes after all of this though."

The Qeshyks blinked. Tiger stripes were the stylized markings on riding pants, boots, and horse blankets that marked a man as a killer equal to a tiger, and the Qeshyks did not hand them out lightly, especially not to outsiders. Still, for Glitter Boy to have...

Wait...

Their looks caused the man's boyish face to grow into a larger grin, the shadows cast from the inconstant light of the fire giving him a sinister cast that had not been there before.

"Did you know that, among the differences between Yllthon Sea Gylruvian and Eastern Qeshyk Gylruvian, you can get 'Glitter Boy' as the masculine diminutive of 'Shining One'?" He said in the first time the Qeshyks had ever heard something so disgustingly academic sound so threatening.

Shining One. Because you dared not call the tiger by its true name, lest you call it to you and your flocks.
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Oh hey our ancient merit badge system propagated!

Theres a nice symbolism here in that it also is a hidden inference for the cunning that just because the core likes to prance around in ribbons doesn't mean they aren't still tigers.
Academia Nut said:
The diplomat deployed has a number of nicknames given to him by various tribes he has interacted with. His wife then finds cutesy diminutives for them, and he will use them to probe the reaction of new tribes, because in initial encounters if he proclaimed himself half as badass as he actually is, the tribes probably wouldn't believe him and then there might be a duel, and those tend to get in the way of his mission. Generally what will happen is that after a couple of days they will drag him into some macho hazing ritual where he can acquit himself well enough to explain that he knows a lot more than he lets on.

Also, it's funny, and he loves his wife very much.

"Shining One" (Tiger) -> "Shiny/Glitter Boy"
"Honey Eater" (Bear) -> "Honey/Surgar/Sweetie"
Wolf -> "Puppy"
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That sounds like inherited variance on the core intrigue technique. Deliberately send a badass who looks weak to leave a deep impression.
 
Dutch said:
Given that part of the French army's successes stemmed from its organization.
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To clarify this:

The men at Boulogne formed the core for what Napoleon would later call La Grande Armée. At the start, this French army had about 200,000 men organized into seven corps, which were large field units that contained 36 to 40 cannon each and were capable of independent action until other corps could come to the rescue. A single corps (properly situated in a strong defensive position) could survive at least a day without support, giving the Grande Armée countless strategic and tactical options on every campaign.
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One of the most important factors in the Grande Armée's success was its superior and highly flexible organization. It was subdivided into several Corps (usually from five to seven), each numbering anywhere between 10,000 and 50,000, with the average size being around 20,000 to 30,000 troops. These Corps d'Armée were self-contained, smaller armies of combined arms, consisting of elements from all the forces and support services discussed below. While capable of fully independent operations and of defending themselves until reinforced, the Corps usually worked in close concert together and kept within a day's marching distance of one another. The Corps would often follow separate routes on a wide front and were small enough to live by foraging, allowing fewer supplies to be carried. Through dispersion and the use of forced marches the Grande Armée was often able to surprise opposing armies by its speed of manoeuver. A Corps, depending on its size and the importance of its mission, was commanded by a Marshal or général de division.

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Compared to:

The Russian army in 1805 had many characteristics of Ancien Régime organization. There was no permanent formation above the regimental level, and senior officers were mostly recruited from aristocratic circles.
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Dutch said:
To clarify this:

Compared to:
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The army of Faron vyn Hohozyn (Napoleon) of the Tortun Republic(Germany) may not have the same organisation as the French Napoleon army.

Tortun lacks an effective Navy and would have to take out Styrmyr(Hungary) before it can threaten our core, the border between us is closer to their core than ours.

Not!Napoleon is going to be a very difficult opponent, but we should win or draw. We are much stronger than OTL Russia and Tortun is currently much weaker than OTL France. Giving the Tortun Republic time (and with us possibly being crippled by a civil war) to grow seems the much risker choice.
 
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[x][Agenda] Plan Cornuthaum 1804

Normally I would prefer peace, but this sounds better than civil war.
 
Wargoal wise I think we should definitely at least eat that Wyrmyrn republic he has set up.
Having Kielmyr get the land they lost back is a must, and letting them have whatever parts of the Not!Baltic coast they didn't already have should be in the cards as well.
The Republic needs to be completely dismantled of course so I think having the rest of its land become a friendly, but not explicitly subordinate, state of some sort is the best option there.
 
I'm not sure I want more land in Europe. Especially not land that, historically, everyone and their grandmother keeps trampling through. If we must, let's set up a satellite state.
 
Emral282 said:
The Republic needs to be completely dismantled of course
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I mean...does it, though? The nice thing about republics is that you can bring about a change in leadership without taking the whole thing apart. If they're willing to put someone in charge who's more inclined to leave our shit alone, I don't see why we couldn't return the favor and leave them be.
 
SeptimusMagisto said:
I'm not sure I want more land in Europe. Especially not land that, historically, everyone and their grandmother keeps trampling through. If we must, let's set up a satellite state.
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I mean, yes, this.

IRL Russia squished a lot of Polish Uprisings, which also led to tightening of censure and the like. Eating this one will likely mean that we will be seeing uprisings on the whole eaten ex-Wyrmyn land, while, like, letting somebody else eat the other half or satteliting or something will likely decrease the chance of ethnonationalists coordinating.
 
Wiadi said:
I mean...does it, though? The nice thing about republics is that you can bring about a change in leadership without taking the whole thing apart. If they're willing to put someone in charge who's more inclined to leave our shit alone, I don't see why we couldn't return the favor and leave them be.
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Leaving the Republic in one piece is just asking for revanchism, and would piss off the Nobility besides. I also highly doubt that there is anyone who could lead that Republic that A. would be inclined to be friendly to us and B. be able to keep the republic in one piece. We have all the reasons to make a Kingdom of Sexton or something similar and no real benefit of leaving the Republic in one piece.

ctulhuslp said:
I mean, yes, this.

IRL Russia squished a lot of Polish Uprisings, which also led to tightening of censure and the like. Eating this one will likely mean that we will be seeing uprisings on the whole eaten ex-Wyrmyn land, while, like, letting somebody else eat the other half or satteliting or something will likely decrease the chance of ethnonationalists coordinating.
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I'd argue that leaving anything resembling an independent Wyrmyn state would make things worse in regards to Wyrmyn nationalism. At least by eating them there's a chance that some sort of Pan-Ymarynism could leave them more willing to stay with us.
 
All things considered, I expect the war to go about ... 60-40 in our favour, seeing as most of the Coalition allies have been bled half-white and exhausted before, but ultimately either through diplomacy or sheer war exhaustion, we'll probably see more positive results than negative results.

What's almost certainly not going to happen is some sort of epic breakthrough whereby we flatten every Pubbie from here to Paris.
 
Chrestomanci said:
Not!Napoleon is going to be a very difficult opponent, but we should win or draw. We are much stronger than OTL Russia and Tortun is currently much weaker than OTL France. Giving the Tortun Republic time (and with us possibly being crippled by a civil war) to grow seems the much risker choice.
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I don't think we should be talking about "the" republic given that there are two of them, the Hespranxer and the Tortun republic. if they work steadfastly together for a common republican cause they will likely be much more powerful than OTL!Napoleons French Empire given that he didn't really have reliable allies, only unwilling subordinates and puppet states.

I suspect the key to winning these coalition wars is going to be to drive a wedge between the two republics. If we can somehow get them to fight against each other over not!Alsace-Lorraine neither of them is going to be capable of doing much else for a long time.
 
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Chronic said:
I don't think we should be talking about "the" republic given that there are two of them, the Hespranxer and the Tortun republic. if they work steadfastly together for a common republican cause they will likely be much more powerful than OTL!Napoleons French Empire given that he didn't really have reliable allies, only unwilling subordinates and puppet states.

I suspect the key to winning these coalition wars is going to be to drive a wedge between the two republics. If we can somehow get them to fight against each other over not!Alsace-Lorraine neither of them is going to be capable of doing much else for a long time.
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Say, doesn't Hespranxer still have Tortonic land?
But yeah, I admit there is a fair chance that we won't be able to pull a complete victory over the Torton Republic at this time. Still, any peace that leaves an independent Wyrmyn state should be completely unacceptable at this time. That's the whole reason we're fighting this war after all, and leaving it existing would probably lead to a fair bit of internal unrest.
 
The idea of getting the 2 republics to fight each other has merit, if we manage it then winning the war becomes, much much easier and they do have some potential reasons to fight namely over disputed territory. Which action would we use to pull something off like this.
 
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