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Paths of Civilization II: Paths of Industrialization

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A lot of Cossack history was defined by struggles against the Ottomans. They used aforementioned Chaikas to repeatedly raid Istanbul and attack galleys in the Black Sea. They especially hated the Janissaries.

I imagine that their maritime prowess is lesser in this timeline.
 
SeptimusMagisto said:
A lot of Cossack history was defined by struggles against the Ottomans. They used aforementioned Chaikas to repeatedly raid Istanbul and attack galleys in the Black Sea. They especially hated the Janissaries.

I imagine that their maritime prowess is lesser in this timeline.
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I don't think not!Ottomans even happened in this timeline. Turkish nomad settlement in the middle east happened before the Mongols, I believe, so I imagine here the not!proto-Turks bounced off Old Ymar and dwindled away into nothing in the deep steppe.
 
Exactly. Frankly, without the Ottomans or a powerful Poland-Lithuania around, Cossack history would make little sense. That said, I'm glad they're around and I hope they still invented wagon forts and the thing where the rear ranks reload the guns and hand them to the front ranks so you can just keep firing without pause. We could use some of that in Napoleonic Wars.
 
[x][Agenda] Plan Cornuthaum 1804

Well, standard of living would be less of a problem if large segment of the population died. More food to go around if there is less mouths, women can take care of the potato and the machines.
 
[x][Agenda] Plan Cornuthaum 1804
-[x][Agenda] Begin War - 2 PW: Declare War on the Tortun Republics
-[x][Agenda] Increase Armies - 1PW: Temp Increases Armies by 1, -1 Temp IC
-[x][Agenda] Diplomatic Outreach - 2 PW: +1 Trust, -3 Temp Trust
-[x][Agenda] Claim Kyberi Territory - 1 PW, -1 Temp IC, +2 Max Development
 
[x][Agenda] Plan Cornuthaum 1804

Now would be an excellent time for our own martial genius... its either that or General Winter.
 
[X][Agenda] Plan Cornuthaum 1804

War's usually a waste of time, lives, and money, but if the probable alternative is a civil war and then war anyway, I'll back it.

I think we're burning all of our Political Will, which worries me a little, especially heading into an international slugfest. Still, it's all being well-spent, and hopefully a nearly unanimous support for going to war will help on that front.

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Still, I have a bad feeling about this.
 
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---Temp IC (0) + 1 (Temp Stat Decay) + 1 (Bank Midturn Choice) = (2)
---Temp Consciousness (4) - 1 (Temp Stat Decay) + 1 (Kyberi Choice) = (4)
---Temp SoL (5) - 1 (Temp Stat Decay) - 1 (Kielmyr Aid) = (3)
---Temp Happiness (5) - 1 (Kyberi Choice) - 1 (SoL < Consc Penalty) = (3)
---Temp Trust (8) + 1 (Kielmyr Aid) = (9)
---PW 3 - 1 (Kyberi Choice) - 1 (Kielmyr Aid) + 5 (Turn Income) = 6
---Recent Integration status iterated; now 16 years/4 turns remaining
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[X][Agenda] Plan Cornuthaum 1804

Finally caught up with this.
Did we ever get that post on Religion in the world?
 
Since things seem pretty decided as far as this turn goes, would anyone like to try to consider mid term future plans?

While it seems pretty unanimous that we want to expand east, what is our long term goals with our western border? Personally, I think we should aim for an ablative layer of friendly and/or subordinate nations, tied to the Ymaryn-Gylruv Dual Monarchy via economic integration, diplomatic relations, and military alliances.

To this end, I'm thinking we should look to establish a friendly puppet power of some sort in the formerly Ueman territory, in the gap between the Kielmyr and Styrmyr, as our ideal wargoal.

Meanwhile, in the south, the highlanders and the Khemetri are acceptable neighbors as they are, although building newer ties would help ensure they stay that way.

Any other thoughts on the matter?
 
Cerillian said:
To this end, I'm thinking we should look to establish a friendly puppet power of some sort in the formerly Ueman territory, in the gap between the Kielmyr and Styrmyr, as our ideal wargoal.
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That'll work about as well as the Confederation of the Rhine I'll bet. Let's not touch the core Tortun territories; all that'll do is enflame their nationalism, the romantic Pan-Tortun kind.
 
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Cerillian said:
Since things seem pretty decided as far as this turn goes, would anyone like to try to consider mid term future plans?

While it seems pretty unanimous that we want to expand east, what is our long term goals with our western border? Personally, I think we should aim for an ablative layer of friendly and/or subordinate nations, tied to the Ymaryn-Gylruv Dual Monarchy via economic integration, diplomatic relations, and military alliances.

To this end, I'm thinking we should look to establish a friendly puppet power of some sort in the formerly Ueman territory, in the gap between the Kielmyr and Styrmyr, as our ideal wargoal.

Meanwhile, in the south, the highlanders and the Khemetri are acceptable neighbors as they are, although building newer ties would help ensure they stay that way.

Any other thoughts on the matter?
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I think that with the Age of Nationalism and Revolutions knocking on our doorstep, we don't want to touch ethnically self-aware lands (so, Europe) with a ten foot pole.
We will have enough trouble Ymarynizing the Gylruv population - we need to rush education for this at least; making textbooks in Ymaryn only and specifically about how Gylruv are actually Ymaryn for ~4-6 generations (so, about a continuous century of education) should be a decent shot. Although likely not enough.

Instead of puppet states, we can try Marshall Plan - tie them to us via economical means while helping them to pick themselves very loudly. To make sure population is grateful for us half-sphering them.

Our experiment with central banking actually will help a lot in this - we already have experience with foreign loans and other complicated subjects and how to use them for profit.
 
ctulhuslp said:
I think that with the Age of Nationalism and Revolutions knocking on our doorstep, we don't want to touch ethnically self-aware lands (so, Europe) with a ten foot pole.
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Multi-national empires even during these times were reasonably stable when there was peace and development. Failed horribly "only" during/after major war (ww1).
 
liberty90 said:
Multi-national empires even during these times were reasonably stable when there was peace and development. Failed horribly "only" during/after major war (ww1).
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Mmm. "Get all those German-speaking in Germany for Germans" was a thing before that; a clusterfuck between Kielmyr and Tortun mirroring Prussians taking Schlezwig-Holstein from Denmark, for example, is brewing.
And we do not want a repeat performance of Alsace-Lorraine/Elsass-Lothringen vendetta spiral either.

And besides. WW1 is about 25-30 turns away, ensuring we do not catch a bad case of ethnonationalism blowing us up when it happens is prudent.
 
We're honestly a tiny bit early for nationalism. Otl!Napoleon was very much "everyone is inherently equal, has the same rights and needs to be governed by the same system", Nationalism developed as an anti-Napeoleon/French movement.
 
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