Orc Quest; or, A Critical Examination of Agency Through in Interactive Fiction (Warcraft)

The March of Forneus 10
The March of Forneus 10

The next few days are filled with… well not much actually. Despite your half-hearted protestations you know you're badly injured and spent most of your time in bed. The clan had received you well, your father making your contribution clear and the warlocks and blademasters making their submission known. You would have spent more time accepting the accolades but you were exhausted, physically and emotionally, and you went back into the tent and fell asleep soon after, awakening briefly in the early hours of the morning but then passing against in unconsciousness. After that one of father's demons brought you food, a rather unnerving experience when a platter floats toward you and a looming shadow haunts the edge of your vision while you eat.

You father is busy, visiting you a few times and speaking little of his own doings but going about between the different parties in the Cleft. The Shattered Hand have returned and the new faces are still here including a few you recognise from other places. Mankrik, the blademaster who'd supposedly gone off to start a family in the Barrens, scowls at you before averting his eyes when a blademaster you don't recognise taps him on the shoulder and whispers something in his ear.

You sit outside, cradling the Fireblade in your lap, furs around your shoulders as you watch the clan… your clan

It's during this vigil that you're presented with a bizarre pair of petitioners.

"Greetings, young blademaster." remarks Sesk as he sidles up to you. Ishi is there as well and you wonder if they're long lost twins.

They sit with you making small talk and then turn the conversation to philosophy, neither subtle in their remarks. Indeed you find it almost a mirror of Thrall's speech. Sesk describes the great strength he found in the Fel, Ishi asking him about the 'smith' who had granted him a 'new sword' at some point in the past which the blademaster had used to best his enemies. Ishi in his own narrative describes a time when the Blackrock orcs supposedly developed some new weapon which spread through the clans of Draenor and allowed them to bring down the Ogres of Highmaul.

"I think you might find better results with Falling Sun rather than Fleeing Cloud." you remark when they both appear to have run out of energy to maintain their farce, referencing two techniques of the sword with opposite subtly.

Sesk scowls, "We are warriors not poets."

"It was told to us that you enjoyed philosophy." Ishi continues after his comrade.

You raise your eyebrows. There could of course be only one person with both the power to compel the two blademasters and the desire to have you take the Fel.

"What does my father hope to achieve by this?"

Sesk's scowl does not abate. "If you meet Jubei'thos again he will kill you. Even with that." he motions to your new sword.

Ishi nods, "You've come far, we've spoken with Ronak and a few others and they all say your performance has been exemplary, but you don't have the experience or the skill to meet someone like Jubei'thos in battle. You could train for years and still not manage it, and besides there are dangers uncounted in the wide world. You don't have the experience, you don't have the skill… but you could have the strength."

You considered the matter. The Kolkar had no skilled warriors among them and you'd cut through them relatively easily with your blade. They had been significantly larger and more powerful than you, especially the dozen or so chief's you'd fought, but you'd used your greater speed and more powerful weapon to strike true. You would see the truth in Ishi's explanation, as well as the blunter statement of Sesk.

"And if you're planning to say something about the Spirits then don't bother." Sesk points out, "I once did a favour for Gul'dan and he infused me with his death magic, yet the Spirits still answer my call when I command them." and as demonstration he clenches his fist in a display of power, flames briefly issuing from it.

You frown. Clearly your father had pre-empted many of your criticisms and briefed the pair before he'd sent them.

"And what of the effects on the mind?" you ask, "The Warsong drank deep of Manneroth's essence and bathed themselves in blood. Akinos taught me that the mind was one more edge of the blade and never to lose myself in battle."

Sesk shifts in his seat, "My one goal in life is to kill my brother, yet I am still when he rest not fifty feet from me."

His words are bitter, the resentment and anger clear in his voice, yet he speaks true, completely unlike the stories you'd heard about him.

"I heard you've been wandering the Barrens murdering travellers to sate your rage." you reply in accusation.
"No death in battle is murder." comes the failure to deny.

The pair have exhausted their arguments and the conversation turns to minor matters for a time. You learn that your father has been gathering the wandering blademasters to him, though what inducements and promises have been necessary for this accomplishment are beyond you. If nothing else he must have promised them war, battles and foes worthy enough to match their skill. There were more of them than you thought and you hear many names as the pair talk that you don't know. Ishi tells you the stories of some of the new faces, pointing them out and gesturing to a few and you slowly realise that within the Cleft of Shadow now there must be one of the greatest gatherings of martial skill in the world with veterans and neophytes both, even blind Master Ronak.

"We have business to attend to tonight." Ishi says in the end, "You father told us to speak to you on the issue, we have done so, we leave it to you to decide."

"I thank you for your explanation." you remark cordially, thinking it best to do so given the blademasters' efforts on the matter. If nothing else they'd done their duty to their clan chief, even if it seemed they weren't best placed for it.

"Akinos was the best of us. In speech, and aye, in bladework. Sorrow for the loss of your mentor." Sesk says, then makes a salute, fist touching his bare breast.

You consider their words that night, then speak to your father in the morning.

As far as you can reckon it, with your father channelling his power into you and granting you the Burning Wish you'll become at least as strong as the strongest orc, if not more so. Years ago your trainers had remarked upon your ability to control the bloodrage common to all Orcs, and you didn't doubt your father was skilled enough to grant the power if he was offering it. For all his faults he had your best interests in mind, no matter how clumsily he went about promoting them. The Fel was the promise of power. That was the attraction, the same attraction that had damned your people to the Legion's service…

Which of course was the detriment. Power had a price. 'Everything' Gul'dan had supposedly told Grommash of the Warsong when he asked the price of the Fel, yet the chief had still drunk.

The Fel was also horror, evil made manifest. That had been made quite clear to you atop Dreadmist Peak in that howling rain of blood before the Ur'zuhl. Even if it made you powerful it would make you a horror and at best many you met would be suspicious of you, if not openly hostile.

After reflecting you make your decision regarding the Fel:

[ ] Take the Fel
[ ] Refuse the Fel
 
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Long and short of it is that I question the Fel's value to our build.

Our magical training is slow going as is and splitting it up more doesn't seem wise until we're more stable on that front.

As far as the physical end Fel is good for strength and stamina when we're not looking at specific mutations. Of those two stamina is more important for us because we're relying on parry and dodge rather than tanking hits.
 
As far as the physical end Fel is good for strength and stamina when we're not looking at specific mutations. Of those two stamina is more important for us because we're relying on parry and dodge rather than tanking hits.
As far as 'strength' is concerned the Fel would be a pretty holistic boost. Strength, speed, stamina, resilience, all for a a low low price down at Feldad's warlock emporium
 
The way I see it, it's a choice between short term acceptance or long term acceptance. At the end of the day, I do think we should take the Fel, but at the same time I think our focus should be to move away from the more naturalistic elements towards more so self-discipline to allow for that absolute extent of control.
 
[] Refuse the Fel

I get the feeling one day we won't have a choice, but when that day comes I want to have a mastery of the self that an Old God would be unable to change. Like this is a big deal it'll essentially lock us out of taking the fel as it were for a very long time if my understanding of what this choice is meant to be, however it does not lock us out of it forever (potentially) which gives us time to gain what we need to either never need it, or to not be changed by it too much when we are forced to choose between it and doom.

At least that's how I see it ATM, if I'm missing something then I'm curious to know.

As far as 'strength' is concerned the Fel would be a pretty holistic boost. Strength, speed, stamina, resilience, all for a a low low price down at Feldad's warlock emporium
Nah I prefer to think of it as a pay day loan with 200% interest a month.

Loads of strength now, tons of mental, physical, spiritual and health complications down the line. Oh and automatic debuff to interactions with a lot of Azerothian people, for the obvious reason of "holy crap you pumped full of demon juice!"

Obv Grok doesn't know if Gul'dan actually said everything would be the cost, but whether he did or didn't IC its a reasonable guess and OOC we know that it did cost Grom pretty much everything he valued. His honour, his friends, his glory, his clan and eventually his life.
 
Welp, I'm fairly torn.

I do honestly want to dabble in Fel at some point, but am also leery of being blatantly pumped full of demon juice. Especially using whatever form of Fel ritual 1.02 or whatever would be used. Its still probably substantially what the Legion teaches, and that is a bit of a tainted cup.

Obviously when dining with the devil, no spoon is long enough. But I would still like to bolster ourselves in other magics/find a less damaging way to embrace fel.

If there are differences in Arcane between being a talented Mage, and a weird Arcane mutant, I'm worried that Orcish Fel based technology is closer to the second then the first.

However, if it is now or never I suppose we can focus mostly on upgrades/mitigating the crappy parts rather then reinventing the Fel-wheel as the case may be.

So I guess tentatively

[] Take the Fel

Unless we can for sure take it later under different more planned for/ researched circumstances.
 
[X] Take the Fel

let's forge the two paths for blade masters into a new discipline. Something worthy to the wider horde
 
...Well gents, here it is.
[X] Refuse the Fel
This is my choice because as I understand it? Grok's not BAD at warrior-ing, he's just yanno, not standard Orc Strong, with all that entails.
And given just how NASTY Jubei's been and how nasty the Fel is...Well...
It's like, if we take the Fel, and Jubei finds out, I don't think he's going to STOP trying to murder us. Instead, I could see him telling Thrall what happened, and argue that while we meant well, being exiled took us too far from the safety of the Horde, and we took the Fel. In effect blaming our fall on Thrall and giving him just that extra bit of heart-ache going forward.
Thrall's mistakes or not, I don't want our decision to turn that way. Honor for the Horde can help rebuild what the Orcs lost to the Leigon. It may need to be tempered with other things, but let Thrall wrestle with that. And who knows? Maybe it'll help Thrall out down the line by getting a hint at what Garrosh turns into long-term.
if we DON'T take the Fel...Well.
Blood Eye gets to return, potentially. FelDad shakes his head, saddened. Jubei's more likely to kick our butt in personal combat...
But, we get to basically have our story told as the redemption of the Burning Blade. Potentially setting the stage for what precisely the Burning Blade will be in the future, setting the stage to shed the darkness within the clan to replace it with being a proud tradition within the Horde, instead of always at odds with the culture Thrall would see implanted, if not general Horde culture come Garrosh.
 
...Well gents, here it is.
[X] Refuse the Fel
This is my choice because as I understand it? Grok's not BAD at warrior-ing, he's just yanno, not standard Orc Strong, with all that entails.
And given just how NASTY Jubei's been and how nasty the Fel is...Well...
It's like, if we take the Fel, and Jubei finds out, I don't think he's going to STOP trying to murder us. Instead, I could see him telling Thrall what happened, and argue that while we meant well, being exiled took us too far from the safety of the Horde, and we took the Fel. In effect blaming our fall on Thrall and giving him just that extra bit of heart-ache going forward.

Just to comment on this, I don't think we have to worry about Jubeithos using diplomacy at all. While we are not really working with canon here, Arthas kills him at the start of the Warcraft 3 campaign, and it is implied he is active now due to Scourge Necromancy or Old God Tomfoolery. ( Or the many other random magics in this world. But not an orc that would interact with the orcish political structure.)
 
[X] Refuse the Fel

We have seen what the Fel does, it gives power,great power even, it made it possible to save Orgrimmar from Forneaus, it made it possible for mortal orcs to kill a Demigod....
It also made possible the mini-cataclysm and said Demigod's death not only earned the Horde an enemy for life in the Night Elves, but also destroyed one of the strongest defenders of Azeroth.

No. the Fel is a poisoned chalice, it is strength in exchange of servitude to destruction, and destruction is not what we seek to serve.

I know Neeru wants us to be safe, but frankly we must find our strength elsewhere, If we NEED the Fel to survive we clearly wouldn't be strong enough to master it, it would master us, and death is preferable to that.
 
So Feldad wants you to take it so he'll be pushing it in various ways, like here getting blademasters to tell you its really cool etc.
Okay now it's just funny, this is such an out of touch parent thing to do I can't take it seriously.

Feldad: Hey son! Look! All the cool kids are doing it!

Edit: quick someone photoshop Neeru's face onto the 'How Do You Do, Fellow Kids' meme
 
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If we NEED the Fel to survive we clearly wouldn't be strong enough to master it
Good argument, perhaps even Grok'mash could make it. And yet...
As such this is a 'not yet' and it will be offered in future.
And yet the problem with these kind of plots is: either NOW with all the dangers and downsides, or we get to the final showdown before being able to take it later.
I don't trust the dice. We'll get puppeted by Jubei'thos and the Scourge (whatever that is, I don't know the setting that well)

We have been so light-sided in this quest, unlike a certain Sith Lord... decisions, decisions:

'No Fel. Grok'mash should be traveling among different populations. Exploring the world, making allies. Investigating, understanding the problems of Azeroth...'
"Taking the Fel? It's only natural. Jubei'thos cut down your master, and you want revenge"
'It's not a honorable Orc's way'
"Only with the Fel you shall have the power to save your father."
'Excuse me, what? Father does not need protection, he is capable of taking down Forneus. At great cost to himself so that others can live, but still.'
"Oh, but he does need it. From you. If you were compromised, he couldn't defend himself from a dagger in the back, could he?"
'The monster at the Peak was horrible, the Fel is evil!'
"From my point of view, taking the Fel is a risk and sacrifice. You said it yourself: Neeru paid a great cost. Being a liability because you shirk sacrifice is not honourable, is it?"
'But-'
"Do it!"
*slash*

And yet, the story could be more interesting without it, so I can't quite bring myself to vote to take the Fel.
I see refusing the Fel is ahead, which is nice and a legitimate choice. Prepare yourself to have a MC that is annihilated or a servant of Undeath, though.
 
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Well, knowing that FelDad is going to keep pushing

[X] Refuse the Fel

One day perhaps, but on our own terms, for our own ends.
 
Prepare yourself to have a MC that is annihilated or a servant of Undeath, though.
Potentially, though I think fel-dad maybe overestimating the difference that taking felsteroids would make in such a confrontation.

The way I see it is that at the moment we're equally screwed in a fight buff or no, since he's seemingly a death knight. If we want to be able to over come him then we need something that'll let us actually touch him. When we first fought we didn't have our fireblade for example and we did reasonably well defending ourselves despite being utterly exhausted, noodle limbed and him pulling out some of those shadow tricks. He probably wasn't delving into even a fraction of the Death Knight BS he can do such as when he fought Akinos, but the point stands still, getting buff can be done in other ways and likely wouldn't be a difference maker. Certainly not when by taking the fel we potentially could lock ourselves out of things socially or practically (we'll see.)

With that all said I kinda wish we were close enough to Rokhan or Rexxar that we could be introduced to Chen Stormstout. We've a strong primary connection to Ki/the element of life which Panderan monk's use, which would synchronise extremely well with our entire blademaster schitck.

Also reading up more on Theramore, and jesus jumping jacks christ we have got to make sure that place isn't destroyed. Like holy hell Garrosh you dick.
 
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Potentially, though I think fel-dad maybe overestimating the difference that taking felsteroids would make in such a confrontation.
So power levels are always going to be mechanically tricky. As a general statement though the Fel would significantly empower any creature. For Orcs that's greater physical prowess, though there would be various spell boosts too. The example here would be Rahjak, an unfelled blademaster vs Chen, resulting in Chen's victory. He then got the Fel and beat both Chen and Strongbo, some strong monk guy, at the same time. There the Fel enhanced Rahjak's existing capabilities and allowed him to beat two people at the top of their profession, in this case martial arts.

Currently you'd be able to take on an untrained ogre fairly easily. You're very good with a sword etc. However if that ogre was trained, even to only a professional level, youd start to have trouble and potentially lose. A combatant empowered with something generally wins against an unempowered one, and that goes doubly so for the Fel because it's so powerful.
 
The first quote is elucidated by the second, but still leaves the question of what is Fel dad up to.

Mankrik, the blademaster who'd supposedly gone off to start a family in the Barrens, scowls at you before averting his eyes when a blademaster you don't recognise taps him on the shoulder and whispers something in his ear.

wandering blademasters to him, though what inducements and promises have been necessary for this accomplishment are beyond you. If nothing else he must have promised them war, battles and foes worthy enough to match their skill.
He's bringing back the burning blade's blade masters. How well Grok has theories, and another potential reason is that they're more connected through the "real" burning blade than he knows, but even then for what purpose? If he's reacting as we hope then with luck it will be an attack against the burning legion, maybe an assault on rage fire chasm...I dunno.

I'm a wee bit concerned.

The example here would be Rahjak, an unfelled blademaster vs Chen, resulting in Chen's victory. He then got the Fel and beat both Chen and Strongbo, some strong monk guy, at the same time. There the Fel enhanced Rahjak's existing capabilities and allowed him to beat two people at the top of their profession, in this case martial arts.
I think you maybe misremembering things slightly.

For that specific example, he beat Strongbo then fought Chen, but even then him fighting Chen was far from being his victory. In fact the Naga who hired him flat out didn't think he would so attached Chen to ensure he won.

Even then after being attacked in the back, Chen still managed to steal Rahjak's sword and toss it at the Naga to kill her, Rahjak then being killed by Bo via his own stab in the back.

So I'd say you're misrepresenting things a bit. Yes it did give him the power to beat Bo arguably dominate the fight, but in no small part that can be attributed to a bad match up, where as Chen even while on the back foot still manages to over come him.

Furthermore it kinda illustrates why I don't want the fel.

Chen points out Rahjak was an honorable and noble fighter, but by that point he was willing to take hostages, seemed to be completely not upset that his duel was interfeared with despite it being his driving motivation the entire damn book and when Chen had his back turned tried to take out a knife to shank him.

Sure it was his desire to be the best, but the fel ultimately did not help him achieve his goals and ate everything that he was.

A combatant empowered with something generally wins against an unempowered one, and that goes doubly so for the Fel because it's so powerful.
Which is why people like Garrosh loose all the time against monks and the like...oh wait.

I kid slightly, the point is fel is powerful, but on an IC and OOC level its a poisoned chalice potentially to Grok's personality and to his socials. Frankly I'm astounded the fel is being treated so casually, but hey ho I suppose its only been the source of Azeroth's near destruction multiple times, was the source of Draenor's destruction has been repeatedly demonstrated as inherently evil again and again.

And while @w34v3r puts it bluntly, yeah. Fel/fel users from a doylist and watsonian perspective are loosers.

Hell Feldad is an example of why I don't want to take the fel unless we have such a strong hold on pur personality that I can be certain nothing will happen, I bet a shit ton that the man's pride, paranoia and temper have all been severely amplified due to having been drenched in fel energy.

All of this goes to say I kinda get the feeling you're trying to prod us in a direction on this one, if you are please tell us, but even then might I remind you that you yourself gave a list of alternative things to empower Grok, and I'd rather try them first instead of the one whose only proven track record has been making genocidal monstrous maniacs lacking in any form of pity or remorse, whose actions have caused more suffering for Azeroth than pretty much anyone in recent history not named Arthas!

I hope like hell we're not going to be punished unduly for not taking it and this is just feldad being overbaring as **** and we can reclaim our shamanism in some form relatively soon, but who the hell knows, all I know is that as w rightly puts it fel users are loosers no matter how powerful it makes them.

once again there's a good fucking reason Blizzard had to go "ya know what we should really make a warlock hero" for the legion because they've presented a single warlock ever as being a good guy! You may be trying to change that I hope to hell you are, but it doesn't change that the fel is crappy decision even if makes us able to bench press a thousand ogres.
 
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