Orc Quest; or, A Critical Examination of Agency Through in Interactive Fiction (Warcraft)

If the Scarlet Crusade controlled a population center I'd think maybe eventually…
But that also assumes they learn the trick quickly enough to get good. Easier said then done given that doing it wrong could draw some pretty bad PR that might lead to them getting censored relative to the Silver Hand which is diminished but not toast just yet. In which case- the Silver Hand has Problems because they don't draft, they recruit from volunteers, so having the likes of Varian or Magni speaking out against the practice could throw a wrench in their ability to recruit.

…I'm more shakey on this part but I thought Orcs kinda naturally channel magic into their bodies or something which is part of the Lethargy that hit them once they got stuffed into the penal camps after the war. Seems to me that trait might make it easier to do the artificial aging thing more reliably and avoiding some of the problems an equivalent human program to do the same thing might run into.
Danrothan is also formerly Silver Hand and a lord commander.

notDanrothan is also busy with this that his more skeptical associates are disagreeable to but haven't officially sanctioned him for.
All things are but tools to him, weapons to oppose the Lich King." Fairbanks said, "Though I have no liking for the man, I too can't think of ways to oppose his methods, for how else might we fight the battles we must fight? His leadership has been what was necessary, though I think perhaps at the detriment of our souls…"

"Tell me of these weapons, of these methods." you asked.

"There are many. The Craftsman, Omarion, one of those Brothers who feel any method is acceptable if it destroys the undead, he has broken open the vaults of the Scholomance and read the dread secrets within. Bishop Voss is with them too and carries a Shadow upon his soul, and Dathrohan has set a new magic among his Red Guards. He now calls them the 'Risen', says they have become more than men, that they are closer to the Light. But if you were to see them you'd know it was something else, something evil. The Light is in them, that is true, but their souls are gone, consumed by it, if such a thing is possible." Tirion said, his voice low. "It is they who first came up with the Mightstones, you know? We thought them wonders then," and the Paladin fingered a similar stone to the one that hung about your own neck, "But perhaps we were foolish to be so enthusiastic."

"This is grim news." you replied, settling into an uncomfortable silence. The Light was compassion. It could be used by misguided people, but ultimately it relied upon the righteousness of the cause. This was another point of debate within the Church, whether or not the Light could be personified and understood, whether it had motives and how mortals could understand them, and whether if used for evil, why this was. Some explained it as the Light's compassion extending to he who used it, regardless of use.
So if the idea to start an artificial aging program to get more recruits or settlers to hold more territory is in the cards it can happen.
 
I am eager to see what Neeru has to say for himself, and also to remove the Clan from under the thumb of the Burning Legion. He likely already has political shenanigans planned. Yeah folks should be wary of the Burning Blade.
 
Alternatively, Grok can learn from the demon's side of the view when it comes to their relationship with the burning legion even if it's biased.

In some fashion there are egos of demons comparable to the capriciousness of the spirits of Azeroth.
 
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You father took it all in without commend, nodding or shaking his head along with your narrative. "Hm." he grunted again. "In situations like these I find it helpful to organise my thoughts properly. What did you want when you contacted me and sought to open this gate?"

Your father had taught you rhetoric and logic as a child, or tried to at least before he grew frustrated with your insistence on following honour's path in the hypothetical situations he posed. It was not to say Neeru Fireblade was a cold-hearted individual, indeed he possessed all the savagery and rage of your race, but he was better than most. After all, a demonologist prone to wild swings of emotion would soon be overcome by his summonings.
Neeru is a pretty eloquent fellow by nature of his professions and did try and impart that unto Grok.

"This would only last a few hours unattended." your father notes, nodding toward the portal, "Pay attention, I've learned much of portal making in the last few months and you may learn something." he began to make gestures you recognise now from your basic understanding of demonology. "I plan to summon more and greater demons in future, and that necessitated a greater understanding of the principles of arcane magic in the first place. Portals need energy, but I've found that a greater control over that energy has been very useful."

The Hand of Iruxos then was a magical artefact which enhanced your father's ability to control such energies. Had he been studying the elven ruins in this area? Perhaps, but wherever the Hand had come from, you could feel it's power. While you're no arcanist, you can feel the energies flowing toward the portal. Then, with a sudden grasp his hand closes with tongues of fire flowing out, then forward as your father points, marshalling great energies that he's grasped from somewhere.

"Are you taking energy from the ley lines?" you ask him. Some Orcs call them the Earthblood, for energy pumps around Azeroth under the earth in the same way blood around a body, but your father is entirely familiar with the more precise terms the Highborn elves used to develop Arcane magic.

Not-Fire flows from the Hand of Iruxos into the structure of the portal and you feel the energies around you roaring, then immediately dying down, tired in some way to the Hand.

"You're controlling it somehow?" you murmured, looking at the demonic runes on your father's fist.

"It is only a matter of will." he replies, though his voice is a little fatigued. "As are many things. How many warriors do you command?" he asked, eyes turning on you.
Grok has a pretty good understanding of Demonlogy and mysticism in general so he's able to understand what's going on.

"To have my son and heir go into exile gave me great moral authority." your father continued, "I led forces to attack the Quillboar and burned Razonfen Downs to ashes. You destroyed the Kolkar, and those two moves made the Barrens largely secure. That gave the Horde breathing room, for if the Quillboar and Centaur had continued to assail us Orgrimmar would have starved in short order. Thrall has been continually caught on the back foot but I've been working with Nazgrel, who incidentally gave me a very touching public apology for his treatment of you, to retrench our lines and frontiers. The Horde is concentrated now, and more secure. I've made my own alliances too, the Grimtotem tribe have been both friend and foe. Their matron has spoken against me in the Circle, but we've fought alongside them many a time. It is well, I think, for even if they don't view us as friends, there is no faction in the Horde that does not give our clan the respect we deserve."
Grok's actions gave Feldad a lot of breathing room.

"I was successful at least in obliterating any chance that Thrall might have taken action against our clan." Neeru continued, "Power and influence are more widely diffused now, and it is for the better. We are less decisive, less agile for more must be consulted before decisions are made, but that means it is impossible for any individual to make a decision which could have such harsh impact on a single clan or group, or even an individual."

And there was why you could not call it dishonourable. If you faced such a challenge you might have challenged Thrall to Mak'gora, but that would hardly have solved the problem. Your father had at least gotten a result, even if it wasn't the one he'd sought.
Feldad got pretty good results without a huge cost.

"All of that passed quickly." your father explained, "Much occurred in a short space of time, but then we started to get news of you. News that you were speaking to the humans, triumphing over the Scourge and so on. You arranged for the liberation of the Forsaken, another blow to Thrall and you defeated Mograine. After that you fought in Mak'gora against a chief and blademaster, and also defeated the Frostwolves. I speak briefly of these things due to the needs of time, but this is not to say I should speak briefly of them. You deserve to be lauded by the Horde for what you've done. In a year you achieved more for the recognition of our people among far nations, than Thrall did in almost a decade with his mewling diplomacy with the Proudmoore."

"I did what seemed right to me at the time." you said, "And while I might have done differently, I am proud of my deeds, yes."

"You should be." your father said, "I am." He smiled, reaching for your shoulder with his remaining natural hand, and you clasped the scaled limb there and smiled back. "Your legend has grown and I have come three times before the Circle of Elders to speak of you. It has been a blow each time to Thrall. Eitrigg spoke well of you when he learned that you were fighting alongside Tirion Fordring. I was not there that day, but it would have given much to have seen Thrall's face. Many have spoken for your actions though, asking why, if a young exile like you can do it, why the Horde cannot have better relations, relations of honour and equality, with the humans. It has been a matter of much debate among our people."
Grok has done well for himself ever since his exile.

"I'm glad to hear it." you reply simply. If you had to show them the way, you would. The path of honour was not an easy one, perhaps not as easy as these greybeards would have thought it, but at least they were thinking about it. Today's elders had been yesterday's senior warriors, and perhaps it would make them think more about their own actions in the First and Second Wars.

No. It was not enough to think such a thing, so you said it instead. "I have learned, as I have travelled, that I am discontent with the Horde today. I want more for our people. I want more than scrabbling around in the dust, speaking of glories but being drunk on our own stories."
Grok has grown a lot as a person.

Your father smiled, but it was a sad smile this time. "You have the optimism of youth, my son. You will think differently in time perhaps, but treasure those hopes for now." He shook his head, "Now comes that which I have not told you, but that which you must know, if you would have my advice." While for much of the conversation your father has been gazing off and simply speaking to the air, now he turned to you and fixed you with his gaze.

"I shall speak simply and without prevarication, for I wish to be clear." your father said flatly. "Our clan are demon-worshippers and I am not the chief but rather a mere slave among the other slaves of the Burning Legion."
And now he knows the truth and is going to have to deal with that.
 
"I shall speak simply and without prevarication, for I wish to be clear." your father said flatly. "Our clan are demon-worshippers and I am not the chief but rather a mere slave among the other slaves of the Burning Legion."
This is like the unexpected hanging paradox, where a prisoner is told he'll be hanged without knowing the exact date, logically deduces he can't be hanged at all, and then is surprised when they do come -- totally unexpected.

I did not expect this one.

In hindsight, it's pretty clear why this came up now. I don't know how it was that Neeru became involved with the Burning Legion (maybe he'll admit it as well), but he had the example of his peers and Doomhammer, so he kept it as a trump card in case he needs to whack Thrall over the head with it in order to save his clan. Yet it was not demons, but his own son who provided security and recognition for the clan, and entrenched their position to the point it is now firmer than the Warchief's. Neeru's efforts were inadequate to the task; Grok has proven it could have been achieved otherwise. Worse yet, what was once the last lifeline turned into a liability; if Neeru's allegiuances come to light, it would threaten to wipe out everything Grok did. And if he doesn't kiss the demon boot, the Legion would have no qualms about revealing their agent and seeing the twice-traitor get his due. Neeru must be pretty sceptical of the choices that led him there, but as they say, hindsight is 20/20.

Now, what I would have expected from him was to wheel and deal and try to get out of this without the affair coming to light... not even to Grok'mash himself. Maybe work on severing the ties, have Grok keep murdering 'rogue assets', and otherwise try to tie up the loose ends, so when time comes for him to step down there would be nothing left to cast doubt on Grok and on the clan. Instead, he chose to come clean, which is very uncharacteristic of him. It also presents a really unpleasant dilemma for Grok in regards to honor, and I wouldn't bet on clan loyalty being stronger than the key concept of our character. Neeru is going to propose a scheme, then, a scheme under which keeping a dirty secret to strike against the Burning Legion could be considered relatively honorable -- if you squint at it really hard.

The problem is Grok is not much of a schemer, and while Neeru is capable at intrigue, he has managed to outplay himself. We'll have to see what he thinks should be the way forward.

While you could, having the name of the Burning Blade behind you is a significant advantage.
Yes, and now there is a matter of reputation. Neeru's change of heart was due to us cleaning up its image, and much of his motivation could be traced to the preservation of the clan, so he'd naturally want us to keep the old name.

But there are benefits in rebranding as well.

Admittedly, taking all the best assets from the Burning Blade and consigning the undesirables as traitors to burn would be a rather cold move, as our father would have to accept the blame.
 
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a thought if I remember right neeru was only the puppet leader at the start of the quest cause of the rolls didn't the kolkor assult kill the eldars of the burning blade so another reason he is proud of our defence is he is now even if he is no longer the pupper leader so some of his over plays could be his first true actions as leader
also did that say saurfang is with our father that must be a blow that one of the best commaders of the horde is not on thralls side
and etrrigg speaks well of us cause we fight along side his saviour and friend
 
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It would behoove the horde for Grok to take that diplomacy action with Kul Tiras then if some kind of temporary cessation of hostilities can be negotiated.
 
Well, Neeru started the discussion with the explanation of the need for hastiness of communication stabilization, so as to not be intercepted by demons trying to listen to our conversation. So maybe there's some continuation with this bombshell. Some sort of a scheme he can suggest.
But, honestly, I'm tempted to ask him: "Why? At this point, why even be the Demons' slave?"
The Demons are as capricious as the Elementals, and are much more dangerous to our world in the long run. We've had Draenor die already, how many planets do orcs have to invade and see die, if we continue to work with the Legion? And their promises are always -personal-, and nothing about the deliverance of our whole race (hypothetically, if the Eredar could have become Demonic en masse, so could the Orcs, and then just chill out in the Twisting Nether, - but the Legion haven't suggested that to either Gul'dn or Ner'zhul).
Meanwhile Grok has shown that with some meathead charm, dogood energy and belief in the Light we can achieve plenty, making waves even where it was not intended.
 
But, honestly, I'm tempted to ask him: "Why? At this point, why even be the Demons' slave?"
The Demons are as capricious as the Elementals, and are much more dangerous to our world in the long run. We've had Draenor die already, how many planets do orcs have to invade and see die, if we continue to work with the Legion? And their promises are always -personal-, and nothing about the deliverance of our whole race (hypothetically, if the Eredar could have become Demonic en masse, so could the Orcs, and then just chill out in the Twisting Nether, - but the Legion haven't suggested that to either Gul'dn or Ner'zhul).
While certainly this is part of the next chapter, I would say that we fundamentally don't know what was promised to who. Kiljaeden arranged the Orcish corruption but as to the specific promises we really have no idea. Presumably the Legion intended that the Orcs weaken Draenor and destroy the last remnands of the opposition among the Draenei etc (which they successfully did) and then that the Orcs go on to attack Azeroth. There are many forces on Azeroth who might oppose the Legion, who were aiming to go for the World Tree first and the Orcs probably did as well as they might be expected to. Gul'dan, if he'd stayed loyal instead of going for the Tomb of Sargeras, would have directed Blackhand to construct a fleet etc and get over to Kalimdor to attack the Elves and so on and so on. Presumably the Orcs if they'd done that all would have been offered a demon uplift as is common for many of the legion races.

Feldad will cover this extensively in the next chapter. but feedback is useful so I can go an add a paragraph now about why Feldad fears the Legion anyway and therefore why he continues to serve them. I'd be interested in whether or not you feel his explanation is credible in the next chapter.
 
Feldad will cover this extensively in the next chapter. but feedback is useful so I can go an add a paragraph now about why Feldad fears the Legion anyway and therefore why he continues to serve them. I'd be interested in whether or not you feel his explanation is credible in the next chapter.
yeah guldan can be the fool who got tricked in his lust for power to spite those who looked down on him for being weak but neeru can be the one who has seen what happens to those not strong enough to break away from the legion (arthas was strong enough, illdian was strong enough (eventally), I would argue cho'gall was as well but well for example nurzhel at first wasn't since well he got sent right back to them twice) so its his fear keeping him trap for them knowing what would happen to him if he doesn't (gul'dan got ripped apart by deamons, nurzhel got ripped apart and turned into the lichking)
 
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Feldad will cover this extensively in the next chapter. but feedback is useful so I can go an add a paragraph now about why Feldad fears the Legion anyway and therefore why he continues to serve them. I'd be interested in whether or not you feel his explanation is credible in the next chapter.
Another question they can tackle is his thoughts on the Battle of Hyjal. Mortals nations, not even at their best (remnants of factions scattered over to Kalimdor) pulled off a trap that devastated the Legion's invasion force and killed off one of their co-rulers. If mortals can do that on a hard and exhausting year, who knows what can they pull off when prepared for trouble?
 
Another question they can tackle is his thoughts on the Battle of Hyjal. Mortals nations, not even at their best (remnants of factions scattered over to Kalimdor) pulled off a trap that devastated the Legion's invasion force and killed off one of their co-rulers. If mortals can do that on a hard and exhausting year, who knows what can they pull off when prepared for trouble?
I could see feldad saying true mortals did true kill one of their 3 leaders but that one was the weakest (I do think kiljaden is stronger but still) but the cost, it toke the elves losing their immortality, their spirits and a tree not things we can easy replicate, espically with how divided the world is, even if he has broken free of the legions claws beings like the lichking and cho'gall still help the legion in their own way by weakening the planet
Just a little thought process for feldads thoughts on this
 
Wasn't that sargeras though, i.e. definitionally the strongest member of the legion?
no sargeras didn't really interact with the orcs he was to busy with medeivh, guldan died of wounds demons gave him as the last time we saw him was him cursing sargares saying he will get what he owed, and for nurzhel he ended up right in front of kiljaden.
and if your talking about the world tree that wasn't sargeras that was archimonde

and with the war of the anicents well sargares got delayed and a magic explosion that spilt the contient into 4 and a lot of small islands kicked him out. if sargares got to azeroth nothing would of saved it (cause the only thing that stopped him from destroying azeroth in cannon was the other titans imprisoning him which weren't around then

and if this is about me saying kiljaden is stronger that was comparing him to arcimonde not sargeras - I mean kiljaden himself says he thought sargares could never be beaten
 
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I suppose he'd also reveal the other agents that is Danrothan or Varimathras if he does know.

Though the one thing he also would help a lot with is controlling those demons from the magical prison.
 
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Wasn't that sargeras though, i.e. definitionally the strongest member of the legion?

no sargeras didn't really interact with the orcs he was to busy with medeivh, guldan died of wounds demons gave him as the last time we saw him was him cursing sargares saying he will get what he owed, and for nurzhel he ended up right in front of kiljaden.
It's unclear to me what exactly Sargeras 'does'. He's a god, presumably he floats about and schedules his little Zoom meetings when he rings up Kiljaeden, and very occasionally phones someone on a lower level like when he's messing with Varimathras.

But I don't think he takes part in the lower level stuff at all. He empowered an avatar to fight/impregnate Aegwyn and make Medivh, but I'm not sure if that was the avatar itself doing the impregnating or if Sargeras said 'oh look someone I can subvert cool'.

I would also remark that as a cosmological god, Sargeras probably doesn't process information and stuff in the same way a mortal, even an extremely powerful one like Kiljaeden, would. He would have a fundamentally different view of the world and how things work, and his attention is probably only gotten when he's drawn to especially powerful individuals or things.
 
I thought Kil'Jaeden is smarter/craftier, but Archimonde is more of a meathead/raw power guy.
well archimonde is dead or at least respawning over a very long period

But when he was about he was the military side whereas yes kiljaeden seemed to be on the logistics, intel and research side

I wouldn't call archimonde a meathead necessarily though, he's still a powerful and skilled wizard etc and will be very knowledgeable
 
I felt Mannoroth was the meathead.

Archimonde is more like a super duper wizard since he looked at Dalaran and said I don't like it now flatten yourself.
 
Okay, okay, I meant meathead comparable to KJ. Overconfident is more apt, as he ignored the warning traps and walked not just into a trap, but into a civil war inside the Legion's invasion forces immediately after Hyjal.
 
Okay, okay, I meant meathead comparable to KJ. Overconfident is more apt, as he ignored the warning traps and walked not just into a trap, but into a civil war inside the Legion's invasion forces immediately after Hyjal.
He's got every right to be confident.

Right until a surprise overwhelms him anyway.

Damn I hope one of our magic experts has that someday.
 
So the other thing I'm starting to wonder of is demon usage policy which Feldad has top knowledge of.

Given how Grok treats elementals with the dark shaman method, perhaps he would definitely apply it towards demons?
 
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