Orc Quest; or, A Critical Examination of Agency Through in Interactive Fiction (Warcraft)

[X] Remain in the village in the hope of improving your situation

I'm not in favor of leaving a potential enemy at our back before traveling further into Alterac.

We resolve this issue today, ideally with a cease-fire.

But if we run, we risk being hounded by Wolf-riders and shaman even as we have to fight a guerilla army in the form of the Syndicate.

I do not want to give a grieving Drek'Thar an excellent shot at destroying our force and a chunk of the Syndicate in one go if he tracks us down while we are fighting one another.
 
[X] Remain in the village in the hope of improving your situation

In this situation, I don't care about the politics. Fight until they break or are broken, it is what they deserve for treachery.
 
Hrrm…
Flee?
Or stay?
…Wish I could do a write-in to like, stay but have Grok stand behind his shield-lines and emit healing waves via his newfound Light Powers.

"I came as a guest, and yet I brought suffering to both you Frostwolves and my Burning Blades."

… I don't know. But it nastily occurs to me whatever we do here I bet the Stormpikes 'conveniently' hear about unrest with the Frostwolves…Because why shouldn't things end in tragedy again.
 
[X] Remain in the village in the hope of improving your situation

Both are messy, but I really don't like the idea of exposing our troup to be burried under an avalanch. Hopefully it can be a stay to negociate a truce rather than a stay to slaughter them ...
 
So is that just another shit roll?
Their reactions will be rolled for as well, won't they?
Didn't actually roll for these ones no, and don't necessarily roll for every action. These are mutually exclusive narrative paths. It would be a bit weird for example if Scorn said 'watch out of the shaman' and then the Frostwolf shaman just whiffed their spells or something. Here characters have predicted what might happen, so you have a good idea of what each path entails

And to make clear if we remain that means kill them all?
confirming Thrall's biases cause we'll have slaughtered his clan and teacher.
unfortunately I don't the feeling we're being allowed to do that.
we have already killed a lot of frostwolves

Relating to the intensity of the battle, firstly, not that many orcs have actually died yet. Probably quite a lot of wolves on either side (your warsong wargs, their frostwolf pets), but relatively few orcs. As the characters note, the Frostwolf populace isn't especially motivated to do damage, and there's a lot of basically brawling going on before Grok got back to the formation and basically rallied everyone. There were some Orcs who fell into battle mode and just started swining axes around, but neither side was very well prepared, and neither side are that motivated. Say you were at the back of the BB column and you saw a commotion up ahead, you don't necessarily think it's treachery, so maybe you just tackle the nearest frostwolf and start punching them, rather than cutting their head off.

In terms of what'll happen, the characters feel that if they kill/defeat Drekthar, the rest of the clan will stop fighting long enough to have a discussion. That's why Vark is trying to snipe him in the middle of a conversation. No one has the intention of stalking through the camp and slaughtering everyone. If the Frostwolves are willing to stop, the BB will be too. Grok's internal narrative also talks about this. He's gravely offended at the treachery, and he'll kill anyone who comes at him with a weapon and not feel bad about it, but he has no particular desire to kill the normal Frostwolves who weren't involved in the treachery/ who were just following orders.

And we have no fucking way of controlling the narrative back in Kalimdor.
Don't worry, Neeru Fireblade is on the case!

@FractiousDay what's the result we get with the same roll if Grok saw to the storm pikes first?
So this gets into the weirdness of simulation. Firstly, if you'd spoken to teh Stormpikes, I may not have rolled as I did for Thrall's reaction, meaning that the dice had yet to decide that that reaction was very negative. The stormpikes were more chill with you, so probably wouldn't have given you any reinforcements unless you helped them against the FW. However, maybe at that point I'd have given you the opportunity to go talk to teh FW, adn tehrefore that owul dhave been the roll time.
with Scorn doing the actual day to day running of the Warband,
Pretty much. Scorn is good at that. He'd murdered someone and now wants to get back to a reasonable position in society by serving under a successful commander. He has a significant incentive in pushing Grok to acheive higher rank for example, because as Grok's most experienced commander he can rise with him.

Also of course Scorn serves a mechanical purpose for me because it means basically the whole warband can be represented in one character as an aggregate mass.
One question, where is Vok'fon and Kartha in all this? Kinda be interested how Kartha is taking all this, with the whole spy thing.
I admit some of the minor characters do tend to fall by the wayside a bit. I suppose in this they're just hanging about being confused and trying not to get killed. Kartha will indeed be consulted later on for the politics of the sutiation, both on this and on the general Alterac situation
 
[X] Remain in the village in the hope of improving your situation

We can break a Clan much faster then we can break a blizzard. We are going to have a hell of a time dealing with the survivors of this though, do we know how to integrate defeated hostile clans IC?
 
Yeah I assume Feldad is gonna take the narrative whatever way he wants at the end of all this, and that'll include the fundamental treachery of what's happened here. Then I honestly can see Drek'thar whipping up enraged posse to chase us down if we flee to a lesser position, after he has a moment to compose himself, where right now we have the opportunity to potentially stop this.(Or to escalate into a slaughter, if frostwolf resolve is higher than anticipated) That's why I'm voting stay.
 
Didn't actually roll for these ones no, and don't necessarily roll for every action. These are mutually exclusive narrative paths. It would be a bit weird for example if Scorn said 'watch out of the shaman' and then the Frostwolf shaman just whiffed their spells or something. Here characters have predicted what might happen, so you have a good idea of what each path entails
I was referring to the son dying. Like its not a surprise, but it just feels like another consequence of the nat 1 to continue this being the absolute worst case scenario.

Don't worry, Neeru Fireblade is on the case!
That's worse!

Anyway, my concern is now blood has been shed and my opinion of them stopping is not especially high.
 
Well this is hilariously fucked. My gut is telling me to stay if nothing else for the tactical boon of defending in a fortified place. We can worry about the greater political implications of what has occurred later but getting Grok's boys through this should be priority. So

[X] Remain in the village in the hope of improving your situation
 
Pretty much. Scorn is good at that. He'd murdered someone and now wants to get back to a reasonable position in society by serving under a successful commander. He has a significant incentive in pushing Grok to acheive higher rank for example, because as Grok's most experienced commander he can rise with him.

Also of course Scorn serves a mechanical purpose for me because it means basically the whole warband can be represented in one character as an aggregate mass.
He wouldn't be opposed if Grok sets up said society in the Eastern Kingdoms?
Understandable point of view. It's a messy situation and all the solutions are equally messy.

At the moment, there is a chance of reconciliation. Yes, Drek'thar suffered a personal loss as a result of his ambush, causing him no doubt unimaginable grief. But crucially it was in self defense.

If we stay and fight, it's just escalates the situation. It was self defense, but now Drek'thar is distracted and there's an opportunity to de-escalate by retreating.

Killing Drek'thar would only cement the view that he was right about Grok and the Burning Blade. Instead if Grok retreats, wouldn't that cause a bit of doubt for the Frostwolves? Why didn't he stay and finish the fight? Either way they've lost and that will cause some to doubt Drek'thar choice. It's long term vs short term here.
If Grok retreats it leaves him as clan leader to mount a chase for us. He already stated his intentions to kill Grok and the BB.
 
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Meanwhile back in Kalimdor, Neeru was presenting his case to the Horde:

Neeru: YEAH, MY SON DID THAT AND WE'LL DO IT AGAIN! HEY THRALL! Scoreboard! Scoreboard, bitch! Why don't you go ask your mentor what to do now? Oh wait, YOU CAN'T! Burning Blade represent, motherfu- *gets gagged and carted away by other BB members*
 
[X] Retreat, risking your enemy surrounding you.

'Honor, is what the Dreadlords are counting on. That we be proud. That we preserve our power. But if we forgo that power…
Well, that will break Thrall's narrative.
 
We are going to have a hell of a time dealing with the survivors of this though, do we know how to integrate defeated hostile clans IC?
Toward the end of the scenario if you defeated them, you'd have the opportunity to either send them away or to try and absorb some. You wouldn't be able to absorb them all, because they still have a cohesive identity etc. so the choice would be either sending them away (presumably to hammerfell) or trying to bring them with you.
I was referring to the son dying. Like its not a surprise, but it just feels like another consequence of the nat 1 to continue this being the absolute worst case scenario.
hm, I suppose it could be interpreted as that, but not specifically, as a narrative point I wanted to give drekthar a personal motivation as well as a vague visions one etc. feels stronger in narrative.

There's not necessarily a way for a roll for Thralls actions and orders to make Grok's sword specifically hit drekthars son?

But yea basically narrative

He wouldn't be opposed if Grok sets up said society in the Eastern Kingdoms?
I think he might have a preference for the normal horde because of the increased amenities, but beggars can't be choosers and Scorn used to be a criminal outlaw etc so doesn't have a massive number of options
 
Toward the end of the scenario if you defeated them, you'd have the opportunity to either send them away or to try and absorb some. You wouldn't be able to absorb them all, because they still have a cohesive identity etc. so the choice would be either sending them away (presumably to hammerfell) or trying to bring them with you.

Awesome, so we might still get our reinforcements at the end of this! Hopefully we do more then break even, otherwise this will have been an over all loss.
Then again, that's kinda expected from a natural one, isn't it? Hm.
 
[X] Remain in the village in the hope of improving your situation
Killing guests or diplomats is simply not done... fire and brimstone

Grok was not officially a guest though. He wasn't welcomed, nor offered food, drink or shelter. He is also officially an exile that willingly returned to a Horde aligned community.

Basically, he is in a grey area where its not automatically dishonorable for someone to try to kill him.
 
Grok was not officially a guest though. He wasn't welcomed, nor offered food, drink or shelter. He is also officially an exile that willingly returned to a Horde aligned community.

Basically, he is in a grey area where its not automatically dishonorable for someone to try to kill him.

No, there is no grey area about this situation. If they considered us enemies due to our being banished, they would have attacked us as soon as we showed up and not ask us to come inside the village to talk to Drek'thar (and have our troups set down their tents and all) before suddenly attacking. That was a very clear surprise backstab, not an regular fight between enemies.
 
Grok was not officially a guest though. He wasn't welcomed, nor offered food, drink or shelter. He is also officially an exile that willingly returned to a Horde aligned community.

Basically, he is in a grey area where its not automatically dishonorable for someone to try to kill him.
So technically an exile like Grok could indeed be lawfully killed without reprocussions. He's supposedly outside the clan system, legally not a member of the Horde etc. However....

That was a very clear surprise backstab
Clearly you were allowed inside the village, permitted to actually come in. Hospitality isn't necessarily a binary system. If no one offered you food, that's a formal offer of hospitality sure, but that's not the only bit. Some of the Warsong in your group were saying hello and stuff to the Frostwolves, there's the expectation of hospitality.

If, for example, the FW did want to do it 'legally', then they'd have told you you can't come in, or refused Grok specifcially, or any number of things.

I will say that obviously the Orcs as a tribal society do not have codified laws, so this is all somewhat irrelevant, but the customs of hospitality are pretty sacred, this will indeed be a highly offensive situation for anyone who hears about it, and the FW are definitely in the wrong. Drekthar lured Grok in, then ambushed both him and his warband.

In legal terms, even if Drekthar perhaps thought that Grok was super evil or something, or his shaman visions said he had to, this was an extremely offensive way of doing it. He could have, for example, ambushed them in the Alterac Pass, that would have been far more palatabe, although still a little dishonourable.
 
I think that using the light would make him quite narrow minded, making him feel less fear and doubt and amplifying courage and kindness or smt like that, so something more on the line of a valiant paladin works better. I'm thinking of something that attracts the attention of all like a pillar of light or a shout, then trying to reason with them ( "I see only brothers fighting against one another") than address Drek'thar ("you speak of the darkness that I would bring but look at what your actions have done"), and depending on how angry he is offer aid in his son resurrection (but maybe you could throw ol Drek'that to the wolves and simply state that by the death of his son, honour has been restored to the frostwolves and that he has grown too old to lead, lost in his sight, compromised thus making an enemy out of Thrall(?)).
There is also Mak'gora tho he already said that he doesn't want to kill him (and I don't think that Grok could win).

[x] Remain in the village in the hope of improving your situation
 
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