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Orc Quest; or, A Critical Examination of Agency Through in Interactive Fiction (Warcraft)

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The Frostwolves move faster than the Dwarves. Also, if we negotiate a treaty or get the clan to support us, that will negate any reason the Stormpike will have to attack either party as the Frostwolves would now be working with a fellow Alliance affiliate.
 
Is there any reason we can't send a trusted rider off to the one we don't visit? To reassure nerves if nothing else?
 
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Orcs have many virtues, patience for people faffing about is not usually one of them.
 
Doomed Wombat said:
Is there any reason we can't send a trusted rider off to the one we don't visit? To reassure nerves if nothing else?
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Partly so I can preserve the tension of the quest.

Within Grok's own mind though, he's technically there on a diplomatic mission, and he's really worried that outriders will mean his army is seen as a military force, not a diplomatic one.

There's also the problem that Alterac is relatively dangerous still because of the trolls and Syndicate, it's definitely a contested zone, and that means to ensure you get through you might need a larger party of Grok's pretty limited cavalry, which might also very easily be seen as a war party out on a raid, rather than again a diplomatic mission.
 
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Let's prioritize seeing what's up with our fellow Orcs, we have a better idea of how to deal with them diplomatically while Grok has zero experience with Dwarves.
 
Let's face it.
This has to be a binary. No way to do this place justice otherwise. Even Hearthstone bowed to that pressure.

Of the two…
Drek'Thar feels more fun/fitting. Stormpikes have the problem of being a temporary gain even in the best scenario.
 
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Zaealix said:
Let's face it.
This has to be a binary. No way to do this place justice otherwise. Even Hearthstone bowed to that pressure.
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And Heroes of the Storm as well, granted it is already a moba but hearing Drek'thar and Bronzebeard shittalking each other as announcers is pretty fun
 
From Grok's narration I get the sense that Stormpikes are a calmer party and less likely to attack (?), but I can already hear all the nasty words the pretty much besieged Frostwolves will have for the "Alliance orc". Anyway, I thought we'd send outriders to the Alliance forces to show our documents to pass through anyway..?
 
Kir the Wizard said:
From Grok's narration I get the sense that Stormpikes are a calmer party and less likely to attack (?)
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Well sort of yes. The Stormpike aren't going about raiding everyone, because they're supplied themselves, or have sufficient technology to not need to raid stuff. They also have small legs and they're nominally allied with everyone in the area. The Frostwolves aren't. They've got no skill in mining and can't go buy stuff because they're orcs. As such Grok considers the Stormpike less likely to attack him beacuse they're playing pretty defensively anyway.
Kir the Wizard said:
Anyway, I thought we'd send outriders to the Alliance forces to show our documents to pass through anyway..?
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If you were passing through you would indeed have, if you'd met with Stormpike patrols. They would have wanted to know who you were etc, you'd have explained it, showed them your papers, and gone through. You might have had to wait while they check your docs, but wouldn't have really been an issue and you'd have been on to Strahnbrad. They may have even seen your banners and just not bothered to check you etc. However, you've decided to stop, so you didn't just ride straight through. As such you've got the opportunity to talk to them etc.
 
Damn it now I need to have Darion ask Grok senpai to be a blademaster. I remember FractiousDay had plans for one of those interludes that probably involved Darion as the insecure son.
 
While I am sympathetic to cool things happening, I am going to cut this sort of thing down before it gets too far.

The traditions of the Blademasters can in theory be taught to others. In this quest Akinos was training Sorek, but this wasn't in the Blademaster tradition, merely in swordsmanship and combat.

It is generally extremely frowned on to share clan traditions outside the clan. There are specific cases where this might be permitted, but there's a reason the clans are specialised.

It would be unheard of to share clan secrets outside not only the clan, but outside your race entirely.

As such, no, probably no human blademasters.
 
FractiousDay said:
As such, no, probably no human blademasters.
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That's fair. Although.. what if there were special circumstances like say a chain of events that ends up blood-sworning Darion? I'm still holding out hope because I like this narrative of Grok overcoming traditions and pushing boundaries. It's fine if he isn't a blademaster though. Maybe he'll go onto to do his own thing that's completely different.
 
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Kir the Wizard said:
But why???
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Thanatosra said:
if your asking why they have no skill in mining they from what I remember they were more tribal and focuesed on hunting and bought things from the blackrock if its about buying not sure the frostwolves want to get involved with others and the others might not want to sell to an orc
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Basically.

THe Frostwolves have this whole thing about living with nature, respecting the natural world, and so on. I don't see them doing any mining, an inherantly destructive method of acquiring resources.

I'm not saying it's impossible for them to mine, but that it's not possible for them to get the resources they need without doing so. Comparably, the Dwarves are dwarves, and mine all the time, so can trade for other stuff.

As for trade, the Frostwolves spent ages in isolation. Either they killed everyone around them or they just don't do much trading. Presumably also ocne the Second War was over, the Frostwolves were as hated as any orcs were, so no one would be willing to trade with them apart from criminals etc, who Drek'Thar wouldn't be dealing with. Who would he even trade with? He was surrounded by the Scourge to his north, the Wildhammer to his east, the Syndicate and then the Stormpike to his west, trolls to the south, and Southshore to the further south. His only ally is the Forsaken, who've never really been the best allies.

In this quest I've had them trading with Hammerfall whcih serves as a little production hub etc, but the Frostwolves themselves are hardly trading in bulk.

So a mixture of culture, regional situation, and technology holds them back, making them significantly less secure than the Stormpike yea
 
Why wouldn't they trade with local Alteraci communities, heck, even the Syndicate itself? I think you're portraying Frostwolves as way too aggressive, but that may be just me.
 
Aggression isn't the only reason not to trade, there's also a lack of interest, or an over abundance of pride, to consider.
 
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