That makes me wonder how an Iron brother becomes a Steelfather then if they give up their own identity. Do they take it back and get into a battle royale with the strongest IBs when there's a position available in the rare chances that one Steelfather dies?
 
I'm pretty sure that per doctrine, good Christians in this setting don't go to Hell. Worst case, they go to Purgatory to sweat out their Sin.

I could be wrong.

I mean...this seems like a metaphysics question that nobody in-setting could give a firm answer to.

That makes me wonder how an Iron brother becomes a Steelfather then if they give up their own identity. Do they take it back and get into a battle royale with the strongest IBs when there's a position available in the rare chances that one Steelfather dies?

All Ironbrothers don't do the mask thing. It's a specific path you can take as an Ironbrother, not universal...and does indeed likely cut you off from being a Steelfather.
 
Oh man, now I'm imagining a family where only the patriarch goes around unmasked, resulting in one super swole cultivator and a family that has to make do with like, shapeshifting, shapecrafting and good runed equipment. Funnily enough, with maximum speed shapeshifts such people with high stats and low Orthstirr could convincingly fight people with like, a 6Fold power chop for 1 orthstirr.

And when the patriarch dies you then have a generation of fairly strong norsemen who should rapidly become swole as their own children don masks and start making their fathers Orthstirr.
 
Well, it'd be trivial to find out what Christians think the answer is. Gabriel, for example, probably knows what the official doctrine is, and we have no obvious reason to disbelieve him about how it works for them given this setting's wackiness.

I mean...there doesn't even seem to be a unified opinion within Catholic doctrine on exactly who goes to Hell. Sinners, sure, but what sins and to what degree are pretty nebulous (beyond not repenting, at least). It's definitely not strictly unbelievers though. And laypeople are likely to have a somewhat less nuanced opinion than theologians to boot, and we don't know which of those opinions is actually controlling.

And we know at least part of that is factually wrong to boot in this world because the Norse Gods are real and the Norse actually aren't going to the Christian Hell.
 
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Thank you for the informative answers! It clears up a a lot!

Also considering just how much interpretations of Christianity there actually is... I wonder if Christian heaven/hell is sectioned off from one another but ultimately one unified whole connected to one another even if walled off.
 
At the very least, we're still doing what we set out to do! And this is going to be a hell of a fight for the Sagas down the line given how nuts the other fronts are seeming to be apparently.
 
The compound beyond your fight is an absolute mess. Smoke obscures most of the battlefield, but what you can see doesn't look good. Buildings collapse, fires start, and blood is everywhere. The scent of orthstirr is thick in the air as strength of arm is put to the test. Every once in a while some ability is used, like a lion being manifested or... a ship? Somebody threw a ship!? What in all the realms is going on over there?!
Building collapse: I think a bunch of people got hit while in a building. Not good.
Fires: Steinarr's fine
Blood: Ooh boy.
Lion: Folkmarr's fine
A Ship: Is that you Audrikr? Or is that you, Elephant Merchant?
We absolutely need to compose a bigass poem about this.

Would it be The Fall of Horra Hasvisson, or would that be giving him too much face?
Too much face.
 
it really was a short update.
Water doesn't work. But, if something like that happened, then that would make sense to me.
basically what Horra did with the death switches he implanted, huh?
Sometimes you're told by a seeress or some manner of magical person or creature
IIrc, Hallr did say it wasn't Abjorn's time on the frozen lake when he awakened.....
Will be nice to learn that bit though.
Hmm, I wonder what spirits are animating the Threaded Men. A soul from one of their component parts? A fell spirit from the Dark Forest? Something like draugr?
...what if it is still alive though? Remember, wolfwind and his man said even death would be better than ending up as a threaded man....

[X] Plan Skyfire

We using leaping cleave instead of flashfire cleave for the damage, yes? would be nice if we got it in an IAT without its cloak, but we will see.
 
There's only one way we're going to find out...
A raid!

Not really. We were already planning on a trading expedition to Wessex to give Gabriel a ride home, after all.

We using leaping cleave instead of flashfire cleave for the damage, yes? would be nice if we got it in an IAT without its cloak, but we will see.

Yeah. If the plan works, the Cloak should already be pierced after the three Kindle Spinners, which would make Flashfire Cleave not nearly as good.
 
I'm wondering how many enemies the other fronts were hit by, considering that they are successfully stalling the two stronger groups.
 
I mean...there doesn't even seem to be a unified opinion within Catholic doctrine on exactly who goes to Hell. Sinners, sure, but what sins and to what degree are pretty nebulous (beyond not repenting, at least). It's definitely not strictly unbelievers though. And laypeople are likely to have a somewhat less nuanced opinion than theologians to boot, and we don't know which of those opinions is actually controlling.

And we know at least part of that is factually wrong to boot in this world because the Norse Gods are real and the Norse actually aren't going to the Christian Hell.
I mean that I suspect the Christians in this setting know what's happening in their own afterlives, not that medieval Catholic doctrine in our world objectively describes this other world.
 
Well, the first thing we're going to need is a ship made out of toenails...

I think the current owner might have some objections, and I kinda don't want to piss her off. Or maybe she'd be fine with it? That'd be funny, Hel just being like "Oh, yeah, the devil's a dick. Feel free to borrow my ship and go mess him up. Good luck!"

I'm suddenly reminded of the comic where Luke Cage goes to Latveria to beat up Doctor Doom because he owes Luke, like, a couple hundred bucks and the Fantastic Four loan him the Fantasticar for this specifically knowing exactly what he's doing.

I'm wondering how many enemies the other fronts were hit by, considering that they are successfully stalling the two stronger groups.

Could still just be one each if they underestimated them for a moment. These things are tough, it hasn't been very long, and if they didn't escalate fast enough it could take this long for even a one-sided battle to kill one.

I mean that I suspect the Christians in this setting know what's happening in their own afterlives, not that medieval Catholic doctrine in our world objectively describes this other world.

I think that's probably not true. Halla certainly doesn't actually know what's going on with the Norse Gods or afterlife and she's both much closer to them than average, and in on way more secrets than most people.
 
I think that's probably not true. Halla certainly doesn't actually know what's going on with the Norse Gods or afterlife and she's both much closer to them than average, and in on way more secrets than most people.
Yeah, but I think the Christians advertise the quality of their afterlife plan a lot more aggressively than the Norse do.

Like, I think this may just objectively be a difference between the systems and I don't really see a problem with that?
 
Yeah, but I think the Christians advertise the quality of their afterlife plan a lot more aggressively than the Norse do.

Like, I think this may just objectively be a difference between the systems and I don't really see a problem with that?

My point is I doubt the people doing the advertising are any more 'in the know' about their own faith than Halla is about hers, and likewise that they may not all agree. This world's history largely mimics ours, which means there are a number of different heresies and sects all claiming their own version of the truth, not someone with provable authority just declaring it.

Maybe we could add Mire Ward to the plan? To make sure the Threaded Man dosen't escape and we can finish it off.

I mean, we can't move while using Mire Ward, so it doesn't work for stopping fleeing enemies very well. We also can't use it at the same time as IAT very well...really, I'm just not sure where we'd put it, we're either moving or using IAT at basically all times in this plan.
 
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Yeah, the timing's not right for it, and it's wise to this kind of stunt too. Don't expect the same Trick (In the sense of a tide-changing manuever) to work twice against the same person after all.
 
Would it be The Fall of Horra Hasvisson, or would that be giving him too much face?
I would much rather not call Horra Hasvisson, I'd prefer 'Horra Namelessshame' or 'Horra Namelessnid' and call the currently poisoned Hasvir 'Hasvir Hasvirsonarson'.
With how important stories are to the norse, taking Horra out of the family saga like that would probably be the greatest fuck you possible.
Also for any Horra kids that want to live a honourable life, being associated with their grandfather rather than their father would be a great help and reduce risk of feud continuation.
 
I don't think changing the name would work or help, in the end. I'd just leave it out and title any works about this series of events without referencing his name. Let his name die with him and see him be forgotten entirely.
 
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