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Indeed. I meant anything weird or unique or involving Twists. Sorry for the confusion.
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NorseQuest (A Norse Xianxia)
- Thread starter I.F. Ister
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Indeed. I meant anything weird or unique or involving Twists. Sorry for the confusion.
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One and Many
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When we figure Seidr out, we should be able to use Seidr to apply the same principle of Needlebinding so as to 'lock' in our Shapeshifts, giving us effective extra slots at the cost of not being able to change our Shapeshift options. We should also try to figure out the Shapecrafting method of granting Frenzy, as it seems likely that we could use it to bolster our Frenzy even further for a ton of dice.
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This...might work. We should try it, anyway.
This, however, seems like a really bad idea. We have no idea what the long term effects of that would be and as it also doesn't actually advance our cultivation it's not a risk I'm inclined to take. And, for the record, Frenzy does not add dice, it adds a flat bonus.
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One and Many
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Also interesting tidbit here. Our Fylgja also has a ??? slot, presumably unlocked by Odr Infusion Rank 3.
Perhaps related to the Hugr 7?
Also guys, getting Bar/Silver Tongue and Composure to 4 will be imminently helpful for the Horra Law Case. We should look at it.
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It's not practical. On average that would take 12d6 each in Silver-Tongue and Composure and 6d6 in Barb-Tongue, and would only add 1d6 to the appropriate rolls. Add in that we have other needs and it's just not worth it. We'd be somewhat better off putting all 30d6 into Hugr, but even that really hurts our ability to do things about Horra thereafter.
What we can do is up our Hugr Infusion and Composure Infusion each to 3 and hope that Frenzy applies to social combat (as seems near-certain in context)...maybe talk with Stigulf first about how that works, as well (he may be able to advise us). But really, our Drengskapr and the evidence we both already have and hope to get more of are our biggest advantages, and their bonuses plus Frenzy probably outweigh our dice pool by a fair bit.
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Anything above a net zero between Drengskapr and Odrengskapr is 'good reputation', and it adds successes equal to its rating to a lot of social stuff (which indicates it matters quite a bit, as we're probably somewhat above average socially with 11d6 in Silver-Tongue, but on average our Drengskapr matters more than our own social skills do at this point...for contrast and to indicate how meaningful a 9 is, almost any roll by someone relatively likable like us who had Odrengskapr 9 that applied would still fail utterly), but we've never been told actual benchmarks.
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I.F. Ister
Fortifying The Thread
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'Shapecrafters utilize seidr to make alterations to your body. They charge exorbitant rates, but it is a small price to pay for getting more Shapeshifting slots — if unalterable.
As for tricks that let you attack faster? Folding your attacks does that, more or less. There are some Twists that produce similar effects.'
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One and Many
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Guessed it right!
#Selfpraiseisbestpraise
Anyway, on that note, do we know how 'much' Orthsirr Wanderlust gives Stigr? Since we made it and all. He should love the effects it's giving him.
Incidentally on the Aki sparring with our Owl, can our Owl, like, talk? Can it actually do damage with it's attacks and defend?
Hm.... Perhaps we should look into that idea of a rush attack trick?
Wonder how quick we can get in a fight...
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'Hey, Blackhand? Did you ever get Shapecrafting used on yourself? If so, were there any side effects?'
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One and Many
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By the way, for Horra's Sanctum, whatever the outcome of this battle, I imagine our prep should be:
Ashen Kiss/Shield (Because the Shield could potentially absorb shenanigans)
Extra shield attached
RS-Layer Below Armor: 15 Orthsirr -> 30 RS-Layers (Inefficient but very good at protecting us)
RS-Layer Above Armor: 5 Orthsirr -> 10 RS-Layers (~90% Will be ripped apart)
RS-Layer Above Shield: 5 Orthsirr -> 10 RS-Layers (~99% Will be ripped apart)
This gives Halla RS/Shield/RS/Armor/RS before something hits her body. Because of course there will be traps and shit.
Shapeshifting:
Sharpened Senses x3 (if possible)
Owl:
Sharpened Senses (on overwatch for Horra)
Aki would be extremely helpful but he's also very liable to like just die. We'd need a way to make sure that absolutely doesn't happen.
Ashen Kiss/Shield (Because the Shield could potentially absorb shenanigans)
Extra shield attached
RS-Layer Below Armor: 15 Orthsirr -> 30 RS-Layers (Inefficient but very good at protecting us)
RS-Layer Above Armor: 5 Orthsirr -> 10 RS-Layers (~90% Will be ripped apart)
RS-Layer Above Shield: 5 Orthsirr -> 10 RS-Layers (~99% Will be ripped apart)
This gives Halla RS/Shield/RS/Armor/RS before something hits her body. Because of course there will be traps and shit.
Shapeshifting:
Sharpened Senses x3 (if possible)
Owl:
Sharpened Senses (on overwatch for Horra)
Aki would be extremely helpful but he's also very liable to like just die. We'd need a way to make sure that absolutely doesn't happen.
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You'd rather we stack Sharpened Senses three times...? I can understand double dipping with it, I suppose, but three? I'd much rather we get Softened Steps so we can actually stealth good. I'd rather we avoid alerting everyone, rather than preparing for it. I'd also argue that High-Twitch Muscles would also be pretty good, as it'd allow us to dodge traps - senses are good and all, but if a trap does get set off, High-Twitch Muscles would give us a better chance of dodging it. Sharpened Senses deals with the five senses, so if Horra's Sanctum has something undetectable to those, Sharpened Senses wouldn't be a big help. Still, I think Sharpened Senses x2 and Softened Steps is a decent load out for this... can't say the same for Sharpened Senses x3, though.
These still collapse from a trick attack, and I kinda doubt seidr doesn't count for that...
And that's the traps he left behind... We also do not know how fast he would come after an alarm is tripped or whatever guards he stitched together in the sanctum
This, I don't argue, but I am unsure if we need it on the owl....
I would prefer stealth on it too.
And yeah, we need at least one stealth shapeshift if not two, what with no sneaking trick.
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Can both us and the Owl use Hidden in Rags at once? If so, I'd be fine with the Owl having Sharpened Senses, since it automatically has Stealth trick.
What was the downside to folding again, that we couldn't roll defense until the attacks completed? I wonder if our boosted attack speed could help with that. Mix 1 folded attack in with each set of 3 attacks or something to get some real attack spam in on people.
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The shapeshifting has been decided on for Horra's sanctum (it's High-Twiych Muscles, Sharpened Senses, Softened Steps, plus Sharpened Senses on the owl). Going hard on Reinforce Shield is probably a good call, though.
For Folded Attacks, doing a triple-folded attack is a lot less risky when we're moving at triple speed...but 'less' not none, and four or more folds still definitely get risky.
For Folded Attacks, doing a triple-folded attack is a lot less risky when we're moving at triple speed...but 'less' not none, and four or more folds still definitely get risky.
True but I think that a three-fold attack is enough to either win the fight or majorly push momentum into our favor.
And that's enough for us to consider adding a few into our attacks
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Double folding a strong opening attack is pretty safe, and saves us some Orthstirr and I think dice as well?
I.F. Ister
Fortifying The Thread
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It does
'Sir Artorias, when my cousins and I did battle and established the Danelaw. I was barely a man when I met him in battle and it was only thanks to tremendous amounts of luck that I survived.'
'We are not alone in the fight against The Enemy. The Enemy has suffered defeats before, one of them resulting in Shapecrafting and, as a consequence, the re-emergence of Berserks. The side effects are that Shapecrafters are rarely completely sane, though they can be persuaded with copious amounts of treasure to do things for you without doing anything extra.'
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I'm very sorry about cutting voting short, but I have little time to write today so I'd like to make every moment count.
Voting is now closed.
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Oh? Interesting.
This suggests that Shapecrafters are a relatively new addition to Norse cultivation, and were made as a workaround to allow Berserks to be reintroduced. Since it's a new addition - as in, post-Enemy - I don't think True Cultivation would have any special synergy with it, which means that we'd probably still be at risk of going insane if we tried to become one... That's not guaranteed though, and I'd still like to check out Shapecrafting, if not learn it. Maybe true Norse cultivation can interact with it in some way, who knows? Anyway, I wonder who created Shapecrafting... It'd have to be a true Norse cultivator, since there'd be no other way for them to know about Frenzy. I wonder if they're still alive?
How much more juicy knowledge does Hallr have hidden in that brain of his that he hasn't told us
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Indeed. Keying in especially on the "re-emergence" of the Berserks. That suggests that the Enemy's interference came after the establishment of Norse cultivation.
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For non-Leaping Cleave attacks vs. normal speed opponents I tend to agree (and it does save dice, yes)...gets weird and risky with the current version of Leaping Cleave, though hopefully not with the upgraded Leaping Cleave/EWC combo we'll be aiming for after this.
This is also a risk for an actual opening attack because assuming we have the speed advantage is just that...an assumption. Anyone with Hamr 7 could be as fast as us, and anyone with Hamr 8+ could be faster (to say nothing of people who've been shapecrafted)...that's gonna be rare given what we've seen of the Norse Meta, but it's a big risk to take when opening a fight.
I'm much more inclined to start using Folded Attacks on the second round once we know how fast our enemies are.
So the down sides of Shapecrafting mostly hit the Shapecrafter not the patient directly (though they certainly do also hit the patients in practice if 'installing something extra' is a typical risk)...check.
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