anyways i don think we need to debate how to improve Norse cultivation anymore, the first few steps are clearly become Jarl and mass promote literacy like its Victoria 2 and we need research speed! Literacy and writing makes so many things go from temporary to "permanent" and would be a good starting point for pushing Norse view of life away from fatalism.
 
Yeah, Halla's lifetime goal being "Gain a Jarlsoul" seems a pretty solid starting point to spring off of later.

But god, we are getting pasted, and I don't really know what else we can do to do much better, because he's beating us with Bigger Numbers, rather than anything that has a decisive weakness.
 
A kid is kicking a raiding party's ass.

He's, like, probably a year younger than Halla and Abjorn (who are 16). So yeah, a kid, but not that much of one. And, as Slickji notes, he was and is hardly alone.

But god, we are getting pasted, and I don't really know what else we can do to do much better, because he's beating us with Bigger Numbers, rather than anything that has a decisive weakness.

I think he's burning his Fervor too hard on those numbers for that to be sustainable. If we can keep him on the back foot for long enough and still have the orthstirr, I think we can beat him. The trick is to keep up the pressure without getting too hurt in the process.
 
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I think the thing to do here is attack less but put more dice on every attack.

That's definitely true, but to beat the 45-50 numbers he's routinely rolling we need at least 15-16 dice, which is tricky...and we need our allies to do it more than us. Abjorn does a lot more damage than we do and that's what's needed when he gets hit, high damage and all in a single round since his armor apparently resets.

Which isn't undoable by any means, but it's worth noting.
 
Sorry I'm not able to contribute much right now, I'm just...

His Numbers are Bigger than ours, and this isn't even the hard fight!

I guess you could say I'm not really sure what to offer beyond what we already have.
 
I think the thing to do here is attack less but put more dice on every attack.
correct with the fervor he is using we often come quite close but not close enough to hurting him

and the last 2 rounds also ending prematurely he clearly isn't letting us get many attacks off before he tries and change the battle field
 
Dont forget we have
Hefty-Halter-Chop Trick (Cost 3): A chopping trick best used for purposes both defensive and intercepting. By swinging hard, the user tries to stop an incoming attack with one of their own. (Mastery: 0/36)
it might have some usage might not
 
We need to pin the Squire down for Abjorn to execute him.

Like, just spam Contested Movement nonstop.
 
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Sorry I'm not able to contribute much right now, I'm just...

His Numbers are Bigger than ours, and this isn't even the hard fight!

I guess you could say I'm not really sure what to offer beyond what we already have.

We can hit him with as many as three attacks per turn if we focus all our dice on that and rely on Tricks for defense (which we can)...the damage is just a bit low for us to win that way on our own, so we'd likely still be in trouble one-on-one, but with this group we can take him.

I actually think we might've almost won this last turn (or set up the win anyway). Audrikr's last attack was a 46 to the squire's 47 defensively...if those numbers had been reversed, well, Audrikr has done 7 damage in one attack before, that would've broken his focus and likely done some decent damage past it to boot, setting the squire up to really get taken apart this turn. Audrikr has also rolled as high as 60 during this fight, so he's no slouch at all and could've rolled better.

Can we use Shatter Wrist through armor?

I don't think we know and don't want to gamble on it. Especially since he doesn't have a shield so he'd just switch to using his sword one-handed. That's probably an advantage to us, but not a fight-winning one on its own unless we can manage to break both hands and that seems a tall order.

Dont forget we have
Hefty-Halter-Chop Trick (Cost 3): A chopping trick best used for purposes both defensive and intercepting. By swinging hard, the user tries to stop an incoming attack with one of their own. (Mastery: 0/36)
it might have some usage might not

This is more valid. Disarming him would definitely be a solid idea. I do think we need to take out the falcon first, though.

We need to pin the Squire down for Abjorn to execute him.

The hope is that IAT will do that, but we'll have to see.

Like, just spam Contested Movement nonstop.

I suspect Contested Movement has bad odds against the squire. His Soma seems likely to exceed our Hamr.
 
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I think we can prevent Fabvir from suffering total body loss by using our fresh enforcing rune skewer.
 
we obviously cant be the ones getting in close we cant take endurance dmg

Our defenses are deep and layered. Taking Endurance damage is not much of a real concern until and unless we run out of orthstirr. At least not when we have Halting Vortex available, so we could really get stuck in there in theory, I just don't think our damage is high enough that we're a good choice for that.

We need another high damage trick without Leaping Cleave's particular down sides (or Firebomb Strike's inability to accept Hone), I think...our damage is looking more and more like our weakest area, which isn't ideal. Well, we'll have time for that after the raid.

I think we can prevent Fabvir from suffering total body loss by using our fresh enforcing rune skewer.

Right! That should definitely help with the smell if nothing else.
 
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So

How much does everyone want to bet that becoming a Steelfather requires Knightslayer as a prerequisite?
 
I dont think knightslayer is a steelfather prereq, but there's a very good chance you get it along the way to steelfather.
 
Yeah, the ranks aren't really formalized, so I doubt there are any requirements beyond raw power and maybe Jarlsoul just because they're expected to be leaders.

Like, it's not technically a cultivation term (we've been told Norsemen don't have those), it's a social one, and thus anyone who can get people to call them a Steelfather without other Steelfathers getting angry at the presumption is probably good to go. That probably usually involves Knightslayer, as Shard notes, but not universally.
 
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I feel like Steelfathers are likely the equivalent of 10th Decade+ Christians.

It was noted that we would know if someone was a Steelfather.
 
lets improve the plan! its obvious that squire and falcon are gonna pincer attack Abjorn to allow the squire to escape the encirclement, what will we do? Personally I feel the falcon is too fast we will need to intercept the squire, plus intercepting the falcon might leads us to break the formation of encircling the squire. we need to immediately try and pin him down, either through a movement robbing trick or just limiting his ablilty to freely pincer abjorn, who can deal with the falcon's attack by himself or he will get help from another felag member.
 
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