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Alectai said:
That's why the hope is for a private meeting, where we're not known to have met with him.

I doubt they're omniscient or we're already undone.
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I think we could probably, instead, meet with him after coming back from Denmark about selling anything we pick up there (we'd definitely be down for buying more clay to sell if the prices are decent), but meeting with him now does have advantages as well.
 
DeadmanwalkingXI said:
I think we could probably, instead, meet with him after coming back from Denmark about selling anything we pick up there (we'd definitely be down for buying more clay to sell if the prices are decent), but meeting with him now does have advantages as well.
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That's why I'm not demanding a specific time, just "Hey, I need a private meeting with him when possible, because I've got some sensitive information and I'm being watched."
 
Alectai said:
That's why I'm not demanding a specific time, just "Hey, I need a private meeting with him when possible, because I've got some sensitive information and I'm being watched."
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I'm more saying it wouldn't even need to be secret, since we could Eyespeech him the vital stuff while discussing trade and doing some referential stuff. Relatively private, yes, but not secret per se.
 
Him sending us out shopping for stuff in Denmark is good cover to meet with him. Probably should qualify the sensitive information a bit more since we don't exactly have any way to prove that Drysalt is working with/for Dorri and he may lack context about why Drysalt is such a big deal in the hading.
 
DeadmanwalkingXI said:
I'm more saying it wouldn't even need to be secret, since we could Eyespeech him the vital stuff while discussing trade and doing some referential stuff. Relatively private, yes, but not secret per se.
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My impression is that Eyespeech isn't completely impossible to detect, you might be able to slip a short message in that way, but if you try to hold a whole conversation, someone is going to notice your eyes doing funky things.

It's good for slipping a few words in under cover, or talking to something that doesn't have the equipment to talk human speech (Or when you're going out with your Fylgja or something), but I doubt it's a completely secure method of communication.
 
Eyespeech does involve staring into peoples eyes for a very long time, for longer conversations at least. It was noticeable enough that our kids caught it when we were teaching Abjorn eyespeech.

I don't think we need to tell our information to Jarl Corpsemaker directly but we do need a private meeting with someone that he trusts to explain our information and the context especially if we want to be thorough.
 
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Alectai said:
My impression is that Eyespeech isn't completely impossible to detect, you might be able to slip a short message in that way, but if you try to hold a whole conversation, someone is going to notice your eyes doing funky things.

It's good for slipping a few words in under cover, or talking to something that doesn't have the equipment to talk human speech (Or when you're going out with your Fylgja or something), but I doubt it's a completely secure method of communication.
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Sure, but we can say what we need to say in, like, a sentence or two and then talk around the subject to clarify the details. He's sharp, he'll catch on. I'm not saying we do a huge long Eyespeech conversation, I'm saying we can inform him without doing so, I think.
 
Either way, a big sensitive discussion in a relatively public place feels like playing with fire given we know the other side has a good intel game.
 
Alectai said:
Either way, a big sensitive discussion in a relatively public place feels like playing with fire given we know the other side has a good intel game.
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I'm still suggesting a private meeting, I'm just noting it doesn't need to be a secret one. One we're known to be going to in order to discuss trade stuff would be fine. There's a difference between private and secret, this needs to be the first but not the second.
 
Did we bring our secrecy item? If anything we could it as test run to see if Jarl Corpsemaker would want one. Use it to show it off and to have a reason to use it in the first place to pass along information.
 
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[X] "While I was on the way to Gotland to scatter my father's ashes, we made a stop-over in Denmark, I loaded the hold with Healing and Restful Clay. Things sort of got a little out of hand, and we ended up back here before I could sell it off, and I still have all of those goods. Do you think Jurgdby could make use of this?" Offer to trade the Healing Clay and at least some of the Restful Clay
-[X] Slip in some Eyespeech during this discussion. "I also have some information that your father might find noteworthy, but I've already caught a few watchers and the information is sensitive, if you can arrange a private meeting, I can likely slip their eyes for a moment to get there."
 
I'd keep our circle of who we talk to about Dorri as small as possible. It's not likely that corpsemaker's son is aiming yo betray him, but it's possible. Wouldn't be the first time a youngest child turned traitor in myth.
 
Bass11 said:
Did we bring our secrecy item? If anything we could it as test run to see if Jarl Corpsemaker would want one. Use it to show it off and to have a reason to use it in the first place to pass along information.
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What secrecy item is that? We were gonna do some runes later, but that's later in the turn and likely on a wall or something. We have wards, but no items, I don't think.

KittyEmpress said:
I'd keep our circle of who we talk to about Dorri as small as possible. It's not likely that corpsemaker's son is aiming yo betray him, but it's possible. Wouldn't be the first time a youngest child turned traitor in myth.
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Yeah, it's worth the risk to set up a meeting, I think, but not to actually give him the info.
 
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Skippy said:
Okay, this and your previous comment about irony when someone suggested the idea of finding a female huscarl makes me wonder if Something is Up.

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...is it that we didn't ask any woman if they want to join us in battle?
Like, thats why its mostly mans as warriors, because that's culturaly accepted, right?
How often do other girls get the chance?
...Do we need to raise/train our own female warriors?

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TheCount said:
...is it that we didn't ask any woman if they want to join us in battle?
Like, thats why its mostly mans as warriors, because that's culturaly accepted, right?
How often do other girls get the chance?
...Do we need to raise/train our own female warriors?
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Difficult to say? Certainly it's never come up when we've seen lists of warriors available for recruitment for our trading missions, and the first other woman with a sword we met was Lidrun. It's possible there is more we could accomplish here if we put extra effort towards it, but there's also a question of not wanting to step on people's toes. Some families might not take it too kindly if we came on too strong trying to actively recruit their daughters.
 
Skippy said:
Difficult to say? Certainly it's never come up when we've seen lists of warriors available for recruitment for our trading missions, and the first other woman with a sword we met was Lidrun. It's possible there is more we could accomplish here if we put extra effort towards it, but there's also a question of not wanting to step on people's toes. Some families might not take it too kindly if we came on too strong trying to actively recruit their daughters.
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we can absolutely open a school for warrior women or something. Halla probably won't, she has lots on her plate. but definitely can see Evyor going that route. if we manage to get jarlsoul she might even open an all women warband or something
 
[X] "While I was on the way to Gotland to scatter my father's ashes, we made a stop-over in Denmark, I loaded the hold with Healing and Restful Clay. Things sort of got a little out of hand, and we ended up back here before I could sell it off, and I still have all of those goods. Do you think Jurgdby could make use of this?" Offer to trade the Healing Clay and at least some of the Restful Clay
-[X] Slip in some Eyespeech during this discussion. "I also have some information that your father might find noteworthy, but I've already caught a few watchers and the information is sensitive, if you can arrange a private meeting, I can likely slip their eyes for a moment to get there."
 
If we take over as one of our daughters, clearly they have to have a more focused goal on changing society and having more women warriors. Travel the world recruiting daughters to our warband of women.

Halla is busy establishing herself, the next generation can establish Change.
 
Skippy said:
Difficult to say? Certainly it's never come up when we've seen lists of warriors available for recruitment for our trading missions, and the first other woman with a sword we met was Lidrun. It's possible there is more we could accomplish here if we put extra effort towards it, but there's also a question of not wanting to step on people's toes. Some families might not take it too kindly if we came on too strong trying to actively recruit their daughters.
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Eh, no need to actively go and ask about, but it being a know thing is worth a try.
Might mean we are gonna be the "Mad woman you should not speak with", but we are just too useful for that, i think.
 
TheCount said:
...is it that we didn't ask any woman if they want to join us in battle?
Like, thats why its mostly mans as warriors, because that's culturaly accepted, right?
How often do other girls get the chance?
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I dunno how that would be ironic, and we don't ask men that either, usually, aside from putting out general calls for warriors.

TheCount said:
...Do we need to raise/train our own female warriors?
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I mean, there's Drifa, but she's family and thus not going to become a retainer.

Skippy said:
Difficult to say? Certainly it's never come up when we've seen lists of warriors available for recruitment for our trading missions, and the first other woman with a sword we met was Lidrun. It's possible there is more we could accomplish here if we put extra effort towards it, but there's also a question of not wanting to step on people's toes. Some families might not take it too kindly if we came on too strong trying to actively recruit their daughters.
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I still don't feel like that'd be ironic per se. And any women who wanted this and had the ability to would likely reach out to Halla, especially since she's gotten more famous.

Blademaster said:
we can absolutely open a school for warrior women or something. Halla probably won't, she has lots on her plate. but definitely can see Evyor going that route. if we manage to get jarlsoul she might even open an all women warband or something
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I think we'd need a larger number of people to pull from to really get a full-on school going even if Halla wanted to.
 
DeadmanwalkingXI said:
I dunno how that would be ironic, and we don't ask men that either, usually, aside from putting out general calls for warriors.
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thats why, yes. "Womans are not supposed to be warriors" is a cultural thing.
Its rare, because most girls are not taught how to fight by their fathers. Even Stainarr did it in secret.
Then, we were just too good for our age group to make us stay home by others and it would have meant pissing off Steinarr.
And nobody would have liked an angry Steinarr at their door for breaking Halla because she is a better warrior than their boy...

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DeadmanwalkingXI said:
I mean, there's Drifa, but she's family and thus not going to become a retainer.
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Eh, followers are also already good, we do have those that didn't swore, after all.
But even if the warrior woman we trained go off on their own way, they will be always gratefull we give them a chance
 
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I would say Halla is pretty odd in that she has such a high campfire, most people don't bother to train it past the first level I guess. Steinarr had his at 3 I think for alloying.
 
DeadmanwalkingXI said:
I still don't feel like that'd be ironic per se. And any women who wanted this and had the ability to would likely reach out to Halla, especially since she's gotten more famous.
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Oh yeah, I don't think it really fits for the irony thing, just musing in general on the topic.

And yes, that's one reason why I think that active trying to recruit people's daughters to become warriors would not be that well-received by our neighbours. If there were young women who wanted a new life of arms, it's not like we're that unapproachable. Although there might be factors which actually make this more difficult than we'd expect, like the feeling that they need to prove themselves as a warrior first before asking us - which is sort of a Catch 22 situation if no one is willing to give them opportunities.
 
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