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Imperial Fister said:
Calling something/someone a 'troll' can be a way to describe something decidedly *not* human that chose to be that way. Using 'Troll' as a title (the only time you'll see it capitalized in-story, aside from at the beginning of sentences) confers the understanding that this person has gone beyond human norm in a sort of stupidly stubborn, troll-like fashion.

All trolls are Trolls, but not all Trolls are trolls.
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So does that mean that trolls (like the one Horra killed) have a choice to be something other than a troll?

Or am I misreading this?
 
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Imperial Fister said:
Further notes on trolls;
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Interesting. We definitely want to talk first and find out what kind of troll we're dealing with, then.

Alectai said:
Anyway, I thought we needed a prototype of our Plate design before we can start cracking at the metaphysical parts?
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I didn't think we needed it to investigate the existing set? We probably can't apply anything we get without a prototype but we should be able to poke at the Knightly Armor and try and figure out how it works?
 
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Imperial Fister said:
Further notes on trolls;

Calling something/someone a 'troll' can be a way to describe something decidedly *not* human that chose to be that way. Using 'Troll' as a title (the only time you'll see it capitalized in-story, aside from at the beginning of sentences) confers the understanding that this person has gone beyond human norm in a sort of stupidly stubborn, troll-like fashion.

All trolls are Trolls, but not all Trolls are trolls.

To make matters worse, some trolls aren't trolls either. Some are thurs—a kind of troll-like creature that are hyper-aggressive and don't turn to stone in the sunlight. Modern scientists theorize that perhaps most recorded troll attacks were actually caused by thurs, as the two species look superficially similar.

They also might be a skogtroll, a type of creature that turns into a tree during day and a troll-like creature at night. Generally placid—unless you damage wood in any way in their sight, in which case they reveal the power earned as a result of sacrificing the day away. As they aren't very intelligent, they may believe that you've just killed a family member if they see you chopping down a tree.
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That was extremely educative and extremely confusing at the same time, so basicaly like studying actual mythology. Good job IF.


DeadmanwalkingXI said:
I added planting one of them this turn. We only have the Odr to grow one so no point in planting the others as of yet.
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Okay, fair enough.

DeadmanwalkingXI said:
Not necessarily Knightly Armor, but definitely Plate Armor of some sort is the plan, yeah.
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Will we add stuff like plates, bracers and greaves to Emberguard?

Because otherwise it would feel like a waste making Emberguard just to replace it with another armor.

DeadmanwalkingXI said:
The plan has always been to add Runes to increase our strength on it. It just kept getting delayed. We should actually have time within the next few turns.
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Good idea.

DeadmanwalkingXI said:
It's useful specifically when planning on having a kid. Odds are we'll see Aki and be trying to recruit him to come back with us before we need that again. We may make one anyway, but it's not a super high priority.
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I didn't think it was a priority, just a useful thing to have.
 
Mystic Pentagram said:
Will we add stuff like plates, bracers and greaves to Emberguard?

Because otherwise it would feel like a waste making Emberguard just to replace it with another armor.
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Most of what makes Emberguard really amazing is Socket Stones. Without those (which could easily be moved to Plate Armor), it's still nice but not outrageous. We'll see what options are available at the time...I think that's still a ways out (which is why we did Emberguard now...we're likely to appreciate the vast survivability upgrade at some point before we complete working plate armor).
 
Shard said:
... A Norse scientist would be a Seer(ess) wouldn't they? Either that, or a Shapecrafter.
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Seers do science and are thus scientists. Shapecrafters do MAD SCIENCE!!! and are thus MAD SCIENTISTS!!!

Highly important distinction (like that between trolls and thurs) as while the two may be mistaken for each other superficially their behavior patterns are quite distinct.
 
Alectai said:
Anyway, I thought we needed a prototype of our Plate design before we can start cracking at the metaphysical parts?
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Would it be worth buying a few secrets off the dwarves? They can't help us with the metaphysical parts, but they probably know a bit about articulation and how to get all the parts to work together well.
(Assuming they have rigid armour technology themselves, which I assume they do)
 
DeadmanwalkingXI said:
I don't think this works...all the stories we heard from the Skald that resulted in Twists were seemingly true. I think the story needs to be true in order to serve as the structure for a Twist.
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If you look at the "throw stuff at the Wall and See what Sticks" list again, you'll note that 0 of the ideas are about making up a fake story.

DeadmanwalkingXI said:
I think maybe we need an important muna, then to write a poem/story about it and to infuse the combination with Odr? Something like that anyway.
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An important muna... like kiss under a falling tree?

Would be funny if we had the right experiment for it all this time (before we even unlocked the ability to make twists).
 
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On an unrelated note, I was reading about ancient Celtic beliefs, and are the Celts/Brittons/Gaelics of this world Christianized by this point? If creatures of Norse myth like dwarfs and trolls exist, what about feyfolk, Tuatha Dé Danann or the sídhe?
 
The Lone badger said:
Would it be worth buying a few secrets off the dwarves? They can't help us with the metaphysical parts, but they probably know a bit about articulation and how to get all the parts to work together well.
(Assuming they have rigid armour technology themselves, which I assume they do)
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I'm pretty sure we've completed the actual physical part of the armour, it's just the esoteric parts of it that we need to research.
 
The Lone badger said:
Would it be worth buying a few secrets off the dwarves? They can't help us with the metaphysical parts, but they probably know a bit about articulation and how to get all the parts to work together well.
(Assuming they have rigid armour technology themselves, which I assume they do)
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Trying to buy secrets off the dwarves will end poorly.
 
Imperial Fister said:
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Further notes on trolls;

Calling something/someone a 'troll' can be a way to describe something decidedly *not* human that chose to be that way. Using 'Troll' as a title (the only time you'll see it capitalized in-story, aside from at the beginning of sentences) confers the understanding that this person has gone beyond human norm in a sort of stupidly stubborn, troll-like fashion.

All trolls are Trolls, but not all Trolls are trolls.

To make matters worse, some trolls aren't trolls either. Some are thurs—a kind of troll-like creature that are hyper-aggressive and don't turn to stone in the sunlight. Modern scientists theorize that perhaps most recorded troll attacks were actually caused by thurs, as the two species look superficially similar.

They also might be a skogtroll, a type of creature that turns into a tree during day and a troll-like creature at night. Generally placid—unless you damage wood in any way in their sight, in which case they reveal the power earned as a result of sacrificing the day away. As they aren't very intelligent, they may believe that you've just killed a family member if they see you chopping down a tree.
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Yeah, I recall that "troll-women" being a kenning which is used a few times in Egil's Saga and seems to related to the belief that troll-women ride around on wolves? Quite different to the stereotypical image of a fantasy troll as a big lumbering monster. Also "moon bears" is a kenning for giants, which is wild.

Oh, also, this reminds me for some reason...

You know how we can Alloy two tricks together? If we do that, can the mastery level of the Alloyed Trick start as an aggregate of the underlying ones, same as how Forgefire's rank is an aggregate of Ignition and Campfire? That follows the same underlying logic, and means we don't have to spend a lot of training dice on it - which seems reasonable given Alloying individual Tricks rather than Hugareida or Twists or whatever is already sacrificing some flexibility. Also, we kind of need to, there's not really a mechanical difference between Alloying Tricks and just sort of combining them as inspiration for a new Trick as we've done previously..
 
Toboe said:
If you look at the "throw stuff at the Wall and See what Sticks" list again, you'll note that 0 of the ideas are about making up a fake story.
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Fair enough, just clarifying.

Toboe said:
An important muna... like kiss under a falling tree?

Would be funny if we had the right experiment for it all this time (before we even unlocked the ability to make twists).
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I think there's more to it than that, but we can try playing around with it.

Skippy said:
You know how we can Alloy two tricks together? If we do that, can the mastery level of the Alloyed Trick start as an aggregate of the underlying ones, same as how Forgefire's rank is an aggregate of Ignition and Campfire? That follows the same underlying logic, and means we don't have to spend a lot of training dice on it - which seems reasonable given Alloying individual Tricks rather than Hugareida or Twists or whatever is already sacrificing some flexibility. Also, we kind of need to, there's not really a mechanical difference between Alloying Tricks and just sort of combining them as inspiration for a new Trick as we've done previously..
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Per IF one advantage is that it takes an Alloy Slot but not Capacity, until you learn it 'for real'. We can then use them immediately or buy them 'for real' with the latter allowing us to de-assign the Alloy when they hit Refined.
 
Imperial Fister said:
To make matters worse, some trolls aren't trolls either. Some are thurs—a kind of troll-like creature that are hyper-aggressive and don't turn to stone in the sunlight. Modern scientists theorize that perhaps most recorded troll attacks were actually caused by thurs, as the two species look superficially similar.
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Simon_Jester said:
:p

I am now picturing a Norse cultivator from this setting who wears a lab coat and has a bunch of tricks themed around a Grad School Shenanigans hugareida. :D
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DeadmanwalkingXI said:
Seers do science and are thus scientists. Shapecrafters do MAD SCIENCE!!! and are thus MAD SCIENTISTS!!!

Highly important distinction (like that between trolls and thurs) as while the two may be mistaken for each other superficially their behavior patterns are quite distinct.
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Modern Scientist Who Fell Through a Time Portal: "Now, modern research tells us that Thurs are actually extremely skittish creatures and have poor eyesight, which is why they often attack when startled. If we're calm and make no sudden movements whilst appearing large, then it should go back into the forest."

Halla: "Uhm..."

Modern Scientist Who Fell Through a Time Portal: "OH SWEET JESUS CHRIST IT'S NOT SKITTISH, IT'S GOT MY LEG, HELP ME, HELP ME!"
 
Skippy said:
Modern Scientist Who Fell Through a Time Portal: "Now, modern research tells us that Thurs are actually extremely skittish creatures and have poor eyesight, which is why they often attack when startled. If we're calm and make no sudden movements whilst appearing large, then it should go back into the forest."

Halla: "Uhm..."

Modern Scientist Who Fell Through a Time Portal: "OH SWEET JESUS CHRIST IT'S NOT SKITTISH, IT'S GOT MY LEG, HELP ME, HELP ME!"
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Good stuff!

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Alrighty, voting will be called in 30 minutes.
 
Anyone have any last minute inclusions they want in the plan? I don't promise to add them, but they sure aren't getting added if not suggested before time runs out.

Do we want to keep feeding Bjorney Odr, for instance? I'm not sure on that one actually, though I lean 'no for now'.
 
DeadmanwalkingXI said:
Do we want to keep feeding Bjorney Odr, for instance? I'm not sure on that one actually, though I lean 'no for now'.
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should we talk to bjorney or atleast study them in a non intrusive way? getting to know a newly awakened cultivator and learning of their experiences could be usefull before going up a realm.
if it can be done in research then id be willing to put a reward die towards it.
 
DeadmanwalkingXI said:
Anyone have any last minute inclusions they want in the plan? I don't promise to add them, but they sure aren't getting added if not suggested before time runs out.

Do we want to keep feeding Bjorney Odr, for instance? I'm not sure on that one actually, though I lean 'no for now'.
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I think we probably want to go for multiples of three, but also now he's sapient maybe he should get some input. He's still a child at the end of the day; there's probably limits to how much we can or should try to turn him into the Legendary Super Bear before he's fully grown. Otherwise... I mean there's various stuff, I think we should practice entering someone's soul with Abjorn for example, but it can wait.

Maybe just check in with him a bit? Offer him lessons like we're giving to our other kids?

If we could find a way to shoehorn in the poem for Abjorn, then having Lidrun here would be a great time to do it since she can post it on Skaldic Twitter. But that's a whole action slot and I'd rather go see the troll, and we'll see her again probably if we're doing a trading trip this turn and swing by Jurgdby.
 
fearsome hill said:
should we talk to bjorney or atleast study them in a non intrusive way? getting to know a newly awakened cultivator and learning of their experiences could be usefull before going up a realm.
if it can be done in research then id be willing to put a reward die towards it.
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I have no idea if that can be done with research, but I'll add it in as such, since you're spending the Reward Die. Presumably if it's unavailable the die will be refunded.
 
Alrighty, voting is now closed
Scheduled vote count started by Imperial Fister on Sep 19, 2023 at 4:06 PM, finished with 88 posts and 12 votes.
  • [X] Eat it yourself!
    [X] Plan We Are Related To Santa
    -[X] (Crafting) Try to make something (1)
    --[X] Various Small Items As Gifts for Family (Toys, Tools, Combs, etc.)(+15 successes from Tools/Workshop)
    --[X] Something for the whole family and our friends other than our retainers.
    --[X] Spend 1 Bottled Lightning on this
    -[X] (Crafting) Try to make something (2 & 3)
    --[X] Reforge Tryggr and Trausti's Helms and create Forged Iron Mail for the two of them (+15 successes from Tools/Workshop)
    --[X] Using bear bone ash
    --[X] Quench in Hearthroot oil
    --[X] Spend 3 Odr on each project (6 total)
    -[X] (Crafting) Try to make something (4)
    --[X] Reforge Vagn''s Armor and Helm (make the Helm Mail-Necked if needed)(+15 successes from Tools/Workshop)
    -[X] (Crafting) Try to make something (5)
    --[X] Reforge Stigmar's Armor and Helm (make the Helm Mail-Necked ifneeded) (+15 successes from Tools/Workshop)
    -[X] (Crafting) Try to make something (6)
    --[X] Reforge the Axe we made for Trausti (+15 successes from Tools/Workshop)
    --[X] Keeping the same basic runes, being careful not to damage the spirit of the item
    -[X] (Crafting) Try to make something (7)
    --[X] Forged Iron Mail-Necked Helm for Abjorn, well, for Shadeclaw really(+15 successes from Tools/Workshop)
    -[X] [Social] (Personal) Spend time with...
    --[X] Our Family and Retainers for Yule
    --[X] Ask our retainers if they have any women they are interested in, marriage-wise
    --[X] Invite those women's families for Yule
    --[X] Spend Food as needed to make a good impression (basically, this is a Feast for the people we're inviting on our retainers behalf, but exact numbers are unknown and thus so is the exact number of Food needed)
    --[X] Invite Lidrun to come to Yule if she wants, we can't promise excitement, but interesting things have been known to happen. This is a casual invite, not the main point of the action.
    -[X] (Exploration) Go on a walk through...
    --[X] The hills!
    ---[X] (Optional) Send your fylgja in your place (Does not cost an action)
    ---[X] (Optional) Range further from your home
    -[X] (Battle) Go and attack somewhere...
    --[X] The troll cave in the hills surrounding your property
    -[X] (Optional Write in) What gifts would you like to give?
    --[X] The intent is weapons and armor for all our retainers, a helmet for Abjorn, and then smaller presents from the dedicated crafting action for everyone else. Also, pluck seeds from Sealwood and Hearthroot before the year turns and give them to Steinarr, along with one seed each of the three new magic plants.
    -[X] Special Note: On all Crafting add the following if possible unless otherwise specified:
    --[X] For metal items, switch Forgefire Slots to Dice (+7d6 total) before starting and back afterwards and have Heat Hold available just incase
    --[X] Using Sundersight (+1d3 Successes)
    --[X] Stoking Frami, Virthing, and Saemd (for +1 Success each, +3 successes total) to enhance the crafting process
    -[X] (Seeress) Learn seidr with the Seeress (Only available during Summer)
    --[X] Learn the seidr area for domestic matters, the kind of house seidr most women know, hopefully including fertility stuff
    --[X] Learn additional Fylgja-related seidr stuff, specifically the ritualto reveal them and the necessary stuff to retrieve the soul of the bodily dead whose fylgja died (the ones that were used to rescue Aki).
    --[X] Learn seidr area to better commune with spirits for information orfavors
    -[X] (Rolled)
    --[X] Train Kindle-Spinner 2d6 (1d6) (Doubled and then +1 Success from Blackhand/Born of Fire)
    --[X] Train Firebomb-Strike 2d6 (1d6) (Doubled and then +1 Success from Blackhand/Born of Fire)
    --[X] Train Ember-Winged Cloak 2d6 (1d6) (Doubled and then +1 Success from Blackhand/Born of Fire)
    --[X] Train Campfire 2d6 (1d6) (Doubled and then +1 Success from Blackhand/Born of Fire)
    --[X] Train Flamecalling 2d6 (1d6) (Doubled and then +1 Success from Blackhand/Born of Fire)
    --[X] Train Unleash Inferno 2d6 (1d6) (Doubled and then +1 Success from Blackhand/Born of Fire)
    --[X] Train Slowing Slog 31d6 (Doubled and then +1 Success Training Items)
    -[X] (Research)
    --[X] Before we cultivate, plant a Falling Moss seed in our Soulscape and feed it 9 Odr
    --[X] Leave out bowl for a Nisse on Yule hoping to attract one, as was planned previously
    --[X] Try making a Runestone poem in our soulscape commemorating our first kiss and the Muna it gave us 3d6
    ---[X] Do this before we cultivate and break through. We will also give birth and have our Yule Party before doing any cultivating.
    ---[X] Stoking all Aspects on Poem quality (+3 successes), spending 1 Odr to enhance it, and adding 1 Reward Die courtesy of @AeonIlluminate
    --[X] Do not break through to the Second Realm until after Yule. When we do, call in the Dwarven Favor to prepare a battlefield and make sure we have all our retainers (and Abjorn) with us, and do so during the day starting in the morning. Warn them we don't know what will happen here, but it could be violent, depending.
    --[X] Continue reading up on Frisian cultivation 1d6
    --[X] Try and Alloy Chop + Stoker State and see what happens 1d6
    --[X] Try and Alloy Hamr + Standstill and see what happens 1d6
    --[X] Try and Alloy Frenzy + Standstill and see what happens 1d6 (Refunded from last turn)
    ---[X] Take all our standard precautions we do when raising Hugr Infusion
    --[X] Try and investigate the more magical side of how knightly armor works 3d6
    --[X] Study Bjorney and what's going on with him after the Odr consumption - 1 Reward Die courtesy of @fearsome hill
    -[X] (Blackhand's Training) Try to develop old/train new hugareida trick
    --[X] Train Scouring Cleanse 1d6
    --[X] Train Time Stands Still 1d6 (Doubled and then +1 Success Training Items)
    --[X] Train Contested Movement 1d6 (Doubled and then +1 Success Training Items)
    --[X] Train Semi-Halting Vortex 1d6 (Doubled and then +1 Success Training Items)
    -[X] (Training) Martial Style
    --[X] Train Stoker State 1d6 (+1 Success from Born of Fire)
    --[X] Train Flame Tending Blade 1d6 (+1 Success from Born of Fire)
    --[X] Train Threadcutter 1d6 (+1 Success from Born of Fire)
    --[X] Train Weapon-Grapple Reversal 1d6 (+1 Success from Training Item)
    --[X] Train Double-Leg Takedown 1d6 (+1 Success from Training Item)
    --[X] Train Tight Squeeze Trick 1d6 (+1 Success from Training Item)
    --[X] Train Knee-Drop Back Breaker 1d6 (+1 Success from Training Item)
    --[X] Train Fang 1d6 (+1 Success from Training Item)
    --[X] Train Glima 1d6 (+1 Success from Training Item)
    -[X] (Training) Hamr (2 successes to rank up)
    --[X] Train Hamr Itself 1d6 (Doubled and then +1 Success Training Items)
    --[X] Train Chop 1d6 (+1 Success Training Item)
    --[X] Train Throw 1d6
    -[X] (Training) Hugr (209 successes to rank up)
    --[X] Talk to Sten about how to make ranged weapons and spears
    --[X] Train Hugr itself 1d6 (Doubled successes from Training Item)
    --[X] Train Effort Gauge 1d6 (Doubled successes from Training Item)
    --[X] Train Armorcraft 1d6 (+1 Success from Sten)
    --[X] Train Composure 1d6
    --[X] Train 'Ranged' Weaponcraft Skill-Trick 1d6 (+1 Success from Sten)
    --[X] Train 'Spear' Weaponcraft Skill-Trick 1d6 (+1 Success from Sten)
    -[X] (Training) Fylgja (104 successes to rank up)
    --[X] Train Fylgja itself 1d6 (Doubled successes from Training Item)
    --[X] Train Flap Away 1d6
    -[X] (Work Dice Usage)
    --[X] Buildings: 6 Quality, 1 Living Space, 5Storage, 5 Workshop (17 Total)
    --[X] Resources: 6 Quality, 8 Food, 7 Goods, 5 Silver (26 Total)
    --[X] Livestock: 5 Quality, 4 Food, 4 Goods, 4 Silver (17 Total)
    --[X] Crafting: Making 1 Glue Bomb, 2 Explosive Charms, and 5 Meat-Keeping Sticks (18 Total)
    --[X] Conversion: Spend for 9 Research Dice (18 Total)
    -[X] (Incidentals)
    --[X] Adding Taafl Board Capacity Gains to: Abjorn, Hallbjorn,
    --[X] Receiving Metal from Dwarves: 24 oz Forged Iron, 6 oz Drafty Iron
    -[X] (Orthstirr Usage)
    --[X] 36 Odr and 1 Orthstirr to Hamr (Note: Done after cultivating and breaking through to the Second Realm)
    ---[X] 4 Chop, 4 Defend, 5 Dodge, 4 Bash, 4 Pierce, 4 Throw, 4 Cut, 4 Strike, 4 Shoot, 3 Farmwork, 4 Labor, 4 Overland (48 total)
    --[X] 3 Orthstirr to Hugr
    ---[X] 6 Artcraft, 5 Armorcraft, 4 Barb-Tongue, 1 Composure, 4 Design, 6 Housecraft, 4 Management, 3 Scouting, 4 Silver-Tongue, 5 Sailing, 3 Strategy, 5 Tactics, 5 Weaponcraft, 3 Wordplay, 5 Wildcraft (63 total)
    --[X] 1 Orthstirr to Fylgja
    --[X] 1 First Impression
    --[X] 77 Stored Tricks
    --[X] 704 free for tricks
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saying goodbye to Asva? she is leaving after Yule no?

also, if we do wanna do the tournament we might wanna invite Lidrun. we can also announce it during Yule.

@Imperial Fister how many actions will it take to prepare a tournament(aside from attending and making a prize)
 
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