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NorseQuest (A Norse Xianxia)

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DeadmanwalkingXI said:
The big wrench in the plans is whether he's a Steelfather yet, because he probably is by the time he's king, and if he's one already, well, we both won't like him, and won't have a good way to kill him. We'll have to see.
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Yeah I think the very best we might be able to do is chain him really far underground once he's become a Steelfather and that's only if we get really lucky/powerful help
 
You know what we need? We need a death curse. A good one.

Like, there is no situation (in which we are about to die) where a death won't be useful, we either fuck someone up (most likely the one who killed us) or scare them enough to leave us alive (maybe no in the best of circumstances but alive).
 
DeadmanwalkingXI said:
In fairness, mostly he does that to landowners who oppose him, which is a worthwhile distinction...but everyone's taxes definitely go up at the very least, and he's definitely not super friendly. We'll have to see what the guy himself is like on the Vestfold trip. Influencing him for the better seems potentially possible, depending on what stage of his life he's in at this point.

The big wrench in the plans is whether he's a Steelfather yet, because he probably is by the time he's king, and if he's one already, well, we both won't like him, and won't have a good way to kill him. We'll have to see.
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Maybe we will get a piece of the Weapon and use it to kill Harald Fairhair and change forever the future of Norway and Norse civilization. That would be pretty epic for our Saga.
 
alexthealright said:
It's important to note that Fairhair is probably a Steelfather so the logistics of killing him are slightly problematic
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DeadmanwalkingXI said:
The big wrench in the plans is whether he's a Steelfather yet, because he probably is by the time he's king, and if he's one already, well, we both won't like him, and won't have a good way to kill him. We'll have to see.
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alexthealright said:
Yeah I think the very best we might be able to do is chain him really far underground once he's become a Steelfather and that's only if we get really lucky/powerful help
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It would be easier if he was not a Steelfather yet, but we know Blackhand was able to kill nine or more Steelfathers if he was prepared to do so, and killed four even when taken by surprise. Halla herself has been stated by Fister to be able to kill a Steelfather once she reaches the zenith of her strength. My impression is that most of the Quest expects Sigurdr to surpass Halla?

So killing a Steelfather is definitely not off the table if we're talking about big dramatic stuff we want to do at the end of the quest when Halla/Sigurdr has gotten really strong. Steelfathers are just men after all, whatever their pretensions to immortality.
 
Skippy said:
It would be easier if he was not a Steelfather yet, but we know Blackhand was able to kill nine or more Steelfathers if he was prepared to do so, and killed four even when taken by surprise. Halla herself has been stated by Fister to be able to kill a Steelfather once she reaches the zenith of her strength. My impression is that most of the Quest expects Sigurdr to surpass Halla?

So killing a Steelfather is definitely not off the table if we're talking about big dramatic stuff we want to do at the end of the quest when Halla/Sigurdr has gotten really strong. Steelfathers are just men after all, whatever their pretensions to immortality.
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Hallr had the infinite murder fire, we wouldn't and Sigurdr probably won't either
 
Skippy said:
It would be easier if he was not a Steelfather yet, but we know Blackhand was able to kill nine or more Steelfathers if he was prepared to do so, and killed four even when taken by surprise. Halla herself has been stated by Fister to be able to kill a Steelfather once she reaches the zenith of her strength. My impression is that most of the Quest expects Sigurdr to surpass Halla?

So killing a Steelfather is definitely not off the table if we're talking about big dramatic stuff we want to do at the end of the quest when Halla/Sigurdr has gotten really strong. Steelfathers are just men after all, whatever their pretensions to immortality.
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So, I believe even in the thread, but definitely on Discord, IF clarified that Blackhand could kill literally anything due to the nature of Ilmarinen's Flame (it is basically conceptual fire...it can destroy anything). We do not have that advantage and Halla was stated to be able to be on par with a Steelfather at the zenith of her power, not necessarily kill them...the two are different.

Which is to say, killing a Steelfather isn't exactly a matter of raw power, it's a matter of specific kinds of power or access to specific items that trump their invulnerability.
 
DeadmanwalkingXI said:
Which is to say, killing a Steelfather isn't exactly a matter of raw power, it's a matter of specific kinds of power or access to specific items that trump their invulnerability.
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Yeah Superman for example could kick a steelfather around like a soccer ball but he couldn't actually deal any damage

hell the jotun we just met probably couldn't either
 
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Bass11 said:
Hmm, the Jotun might be able to but Superman couldn't. Would the Steelfather be able to hurt superman?
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Probably in theory. Magic is one of superman's weaknesses, if on a lower level than Kryptonite.

Steel probably counts as magic and even if it doesn't, most Steelfathers likely have an offensive Hugareida or magic weapon around.
 
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DeadmanwalkingXI said:
So, I believe even in the thread, but definitely on Discord, IF clarified that Blackhand could kill literally anything due to the nature of Ilmarinen's Flame (it is basically conceptual fire...it can destroy anything). We do not have that advantage and Halla was stated to be able to be on par with a Steelfather at the zenith of her power, not necessarily kill them...the two are different.
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I don't remember such a detail being previously posted in thread.
 
Mystic Pentagram said:
I don't think many people would try in the first place, and of those who do most would fail and die. And the Steelfathers would not exactly spread word of a method to kill them, they are probably supressing such news.
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Yeah, but it seems like Blackhand would probably have at least considered the idea.

Imperial Fister said:
Also, you'd have to get the Steelfather to ingest it and that's probably harder then getting the eitr in the first place
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Wouldn't them being touched by it work? That was implied to work on normal people, I thought, or would it need to get in a wound to kill a normal person? If so, then that might explain why it's not used...it'd technically work but only if fed to them (since they don't get wounded), which is hard. Though not impossible with enough Glima, a metal flask, and some elbow grease.
 
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Toboe said:
Was mainly about deadman saying he thinks it was posted in thread.
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I did say I wasn't sure on that one.
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But yeah, I now, if eitr actually works, really want to spec Sigurdr for wrestling, get some eitr in a flask, and force feed a Steelfather. Because that sounds like such an epic way to kill them. Especially warning them first in order to avoid nid "This flask is filled with eitr. I'm gonna feed it to you."
 
DeadmanwalkingXI said:
So, I believe even in the thread, but definitely on Discord, IF clarified that Blackhand could kill literally anything due to the nature of Ilmarinen's Flame (it is basically conceptual fire...it can destroy anything). We do not have that advantage and Halla was stated to be able to be on par with a Steelfather at the zenith of her power, not necessarily kill them...the two are different.

Which is to say, killing a Steelfather isn't exactly a matter of raw power, it's a matter of specific kinds of power or access to specific items that trump their invulnerability.
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I mean, that's true, but also, we do live in a Xianxia setting.

We can train in a secret waterfall underneath a mountain, or go on a quest to the ruins of sunken Atlantis, or make a pact with a dragon or a god, or some other wild shit, and get our own Even More Ultimate Technique Which Totally Conceptually Beats Your Ultimate Technique In Playground Fights.

Secret techniques which can kill immortals are basically like a Domino's meal deal in Xianxia settings, including getting Two for Tuesdays.

Imperial Fister said:
Also, you'd have to get the Steelfather to ingest it and that's probably harder then getting the eitr in the first place
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DeadmanwalkingXI said:
Wouldn't them being touched by it work? That was implied to work on normal people, I thought, or would it need to get in a wound to kill a normal person? If so, then that might explain why it's not used...it'd technically work but only if fed to them, which is hard. Though not impossible with enough Glima, a metal flask, and some elbow grease.
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Okay, our secret weapon against Steefathers being a funnel and the power of Brazillian Ju-Jitsu is actually hilarious, I'm canonising this.

(I have no actual power to do so, but still, it's canon as far as I'm concerned.)
 
DeadmanwalkingXI said:
Eric is a member of the Kyrsvikingar, and thus sworn to take Corpsetaker's side in the war. That's the big one. Most of our other friends and allies will also likely feel somewhat obligated to side with Agder, but our brother is the fundamental problem there.

Now, if the Kyrsvikingar switch sides or something that'd be another matter, but barring that we can't cur a deal like this very readily.
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oh yeah obviously we can't betray Eric forgot about him. we obviously need to get stronger and figure out how to kill Corpsemaker before the war comes:p
seriously though, I hope Corpsemaker makes a good decision then. not impossible, if our chances of winning are as bad as it seems, he might just decide to turn sides too(unless he has some relation to the king but if the king is a usurper its quite possible he doesn't)
 
Eitr is one of the few things which can prematurely end the quest early, so we should avoid messing with it.

Also we would have to actually beat a Steelfather in combat before actually trying to permakill them, and they start at Steinarr level deadliness.

So we should work on getting there first.
 
Skippy said:
I mean, that's true, but also, we do live in a Xianxia setting.

We can train in a secret waterfall underneath a mountain, or go on a quest to the ruins of sunken Atlantis, or make a pact with a dragon or a god, or some other wild shit, and get our own Ultimate Technique Which Totally Beats Your Ultimate Technique In Playground Fights.

Secret techniques which can kill immortals are basically like a Domino's meal deal in Xianxia settings, including getting Two for Tuesdays.
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This is all true but you have to remember that every Steelfather is also looking for those things and they seemingly haven't found it
 
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