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- England
Do you think halla might be able to spectate a mass or something while she is here in nominally friendly lands, just so she can have an even clearer idea on the mechanics
NorseQuest (A Norse Xianxia)
- Thread starter I.F. Ister
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- Original Fantasy Action
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- norse mythology (mythology) original xianxia cultivation western cultivation ask sirihand did your mother tell you anything? discussion pleases yggdrasil farming gloating gets people killed granary management hubris is a coward's word you will die norsemen do not die when they are killed the qm has a bad memory the qm is bad at math viking courtroom drama (legal drama) vikings
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Halla, rubbing hands together: "Yessss, give me all your secrets"
Missionaries who want to spread the Good Word: (are confused)
- Location
- San Ramon, CA
Priest: Lord, please bless our noble Knights, those who would keep us safe from the depredations of the vile Vikings, God's Punishment for the Sinful.
Halla: Oh, oh, that's us! What other cool titles do you have for us?
I love how Halla calls the king by first name without a care in the world. She is basicaly confirming to everyone present that Norsemen are actualy as crazy as they think.
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It's how we'd interact with the headman and a king is basically the same thing right?
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- Pittsburgh PA
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[X] Plan: Lay the Cards Out
@Imperial Fister
Could we get a goal-tell trick read on the king?
Also:
How are the other situation relevant tricks handled?
Maybe he gets the idea to trade cheap surplus food for expensive goods and use those to make the money to buy another decade of peace with the danelaw.
Helping our enemies to make mistakes.
Could we get a goal-tell trick read on the king?
Also:
How are the other situation relevant tricks handled?
Maybe stress how much money he could make if he has skilled artisans and traders work with it and how much he could do with that money. (If he asks why we don't do it ourselves: we don't want to stay as long as distributing our tons of wares without reducing the price would take)
Maybe he gets the idea to trade cheap surplus food for expensive goods and use those to make the money to buy another decade of peace with the danelaw.
Helping our enemies to make mistakes.
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It seems to me like we use these once we establish the possibility space (ie: in the negotiation itself). Like, right now before we list stuff his goal is probably 'Make my kingdom better' or 'Get as much out of this as possible' and neither is useful. Once he hears our listed goods he can start being like 'Ooh, I want that one.' and the Trick can kick in.
I'm unclear exactly what mistake you're aiming to help him make here, unconvinced King Alfred is precisely our enemy, and deeply unconvinced we can persuade him to make any mistakes at all. I'm also very convinced that trying would be bad. He knows his kingdom very well indeed, and is much more adept socially than we are, I will guarantee you.
Not precisely, but he is a leader of a country and looking for christian approval. Conversion inherent part of christianity, conversion bad, conflict between his kingdom and the danelaw, you know the drill.
I'm convinced that a subtle mention of how much good he could do with the money might nudge him towards accepting and using the money to buy peace from the danelaw and wouldn't have any additional risk.
(With the paying for peace being the error)
Full agreement if it was about anything more overt than that.
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If all Christians are the enemy, we lose. It's not viable to fight them all and not really a good idea. Avoiding conversion is useful and necessary, and King Alfred would certainly love to convert him some Vikings, but we need strategies for avoiding conversion that are not trying to screw over or kill the people attempting it. We need a route to relatively peaceful coexistence here and viewing all Christians as the enemy is in no way helpful.
Yeah, we're talking someone with likely around double our social dice pool and the Tricks/Prayers/Whatever to back it up. Absolutely nothing we attempt will get by him and if we try and screw with him he will know and probably not take it well. By this point in time Alfred is likely a 500 year old dedicated social cultivator...our odds of succeeding at this are 0% and our odds of pissing him off are high. And that's if we even wanted to do it in the first place.
Trying to beat him in social stuff is like trying to beat Steinarr in a straight fight...it's a terrible idea and will get you hurt. We can negotiate with him because trying for mutual benefit absolutely can work, but trying to screw him over in any way? No chance.
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you can't have more then one internal power ie believe(ie Odr or Zeal) but we have seen nothing to suggest you can't have, say, Orthstirr and fervor
in fact Sten has both Norse Cultivation and Finnish. he can't have Odr though since he has Finnish internal power
can we perhaps get something from this that will help us with the Norse plate project?
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[X] Plan: Lay the Cards Out
Wait a moment.
Hey Blackhand, what can you tell us about the Anglo-Saxons cultivation?
Anglo-Saxons have their own cultivation? I wonder what that is and what it is based on.
Wait a moment.
Hey Blackhand, what can you tell us about the Anglo-Saxons cultivation?
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I mean, all cultures have a Cultivation. Sometimes it's shared with another similar culture (like Feudal/Christian Cultivation is)...but I too am very interested in what Blackhand has to say about Anglo-Saxon Cultivation.
I mean, we are actually doing exactly viking right now. Viking translates as "inlet or bay". It literally just means to leave via boat to go elsewhere. Viking is not a nationality. Viking is a action. When you leave for foreign shores to raid or trade you are going a viking. You are vikings in the same way someone who plays football is a footballer.
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- Norway
I believe the relevant saying here is: skill issue.
Here's a rewrite at eight syllables per line, trying to keep the meter:(I don't actually know Finnish, so I've mostly been working on your English text, which may have garbled some synonyms.)
Far abroad went fire's daughter
shining sister, hardiest hag
Bear away, wind, Väinö's mother
Ilmatar, the flawless beauty
hold her like a child in cradle
bring her far across the water
to the cross-bedecked lands
Give thy message, noble elder
Oldest hero, Väinämöinen
bard of ages long forgotten
take thy message far and quickly
to the daughter of the fire
to the most hardy of hags
so she may find her great bounty
bring home baskets full of plunder
barley for the elder's chalice
rye to fill the younger's plate
so that hunger spares our elders
our oldest hag, our eldest man
so that children forget famine
Hel shall not have son nor daughter.
I trought the term was iviking. Not just viking.
I suppose it must be a composite cultivation system. Since the Anglo-Saxons were a union of different tribes: the Angles, the Saxons, the Jutes and some Frisians.
Maybe if we study it we can discover something more abaout ancient Germanic cultivation?
Vikings used their own alphabet. Any specific spelling we use is purely modern convention. We can't even be 100% sure about the pronunciation or if it was exactly consistent or varied based on time or region.
We have translations written down by Christian monks that serve as a sort of Rosetta stone that let us translate the texts, but the nuance is going to be forever just assumptions on our end.
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So resist conversion without fighting back or even being as hostile as considering "the other side spending money bribing a faction that doesn't want to convert us (because they share our culture)" a good thing.
If "maybe we can drop a few words to make him more likely to bribe people that don't want to convert us" is too close to "screw over or kill" for you, then I think we reached an impasse where its best to agree to disagree.
How is mentioning the good he could do for his kingdom with the profits from what we delivered gonna piss him off?
Seriously. How?
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Trying to convince people to make bad foreign policy decisions that will result in them being extorted and attacked is absolutely screwing them over and being hostile. I'm not saying we need to be absolutely friendly to everyone, but calling every single Christian an enemy is not productive and attempting to manipulate those Christians actually willing to deal with us into bad situations is not the way to achieve peaceful coexistence.
Because we know that's an objectively bad idea and he'd know we knew that because he can read us like a book.
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- In the oldest city on the oldest land
HEY. It's not my fault that your inflexible tongue doesnt even have basic things, like adding syllables to words without changing the words meaning.I believe the relevant saying here is: skill issue.
(I don't actually know Finnish, so I've mostly been working on your English text, which may have garbled some synonyms.)
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Very cool and much better than my own version. I struggled with translating that one and even gave up on doing the third part. Now i want to try to actually write in proper kalevala metre in english. gods help me.
"that" contains literally 0 mentions of what he should do with it, the idea is that he might have an ineffective idea of what he may do with it (keeping status quo). No direct telling of "do this" which is bad for him.
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Again, if we do something with the intent of screwing him over he will know, because he can read people well (or at least that's the assumption we should operate under). That's the issue: Intending to screw him over.
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I don't think we've got our union ticket as a Seer yet.