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Skippy said:
If we ask and Steinarr says "Nah thanks I'm good" then what have we lost?
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I mean, an action, if we're spending a social on it. We could try throwing it in as an incidental thing, but structuring that specific question in that way seems tricky.

We also definitely need to be willing to spend an action on the actual crafting soon after we make the offer, and I don't think we would be right now.
 
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DeadmanwalkingXI said:
We tried with Minna pretty recently...we rolled badly and got 'everyone died' plus her being, uh, we'll go with 'the source of Drifa's ruthlessness'. Nothing else. We'll try again. At some point. Maybe Winter of Year 10?
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Yeah, I get that, but I mainly wanted to know if we were going to bring it up with Sten, sorry for the lack of clarity.
 
DeadmanwalkingXI said:
I mean, an action, if we're spending a social on it. We could try throwing it in as an incidental thing, but structuring that specific question in that way seems tricky.
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@Imperial Fister has said before that Steinarr is around quite often so I was thinking we could throw a training/research die at it to ask him when he's next around, as part of the sparring and stuff we do anyway. It seems like it's not really enough to hang a whole social action around anyway?

Alternately, we see him pretty regularly for other reasons, so if we just like, use the magic of remembering, we can ask him the next time he's around.

Actually, speaking of remembering things...



Hey @Imperial Fister, you know how we were going to offer to buy up wolf pelts to trade on the expedition/use the hunting trip as a recruiting opportunity for rowers/traders?

It seems like we sorta ended the hunting trip without actually doing that, and now we're going into the next turn - can we tack on something at the end, or just move on?

(An extra incentive we could offer is that anyone who sells their wolf pelts to us can be first in the queue for buying the grain we bring back.)
 
Have we analyzed the children we are matching up our children with in their Playdates for personality clashes?

Speaking of which is the Valley Children Data threadmarked somewhere?
 
Do we have an incentive for people to go with our expedition to trade for grain, when they could just go on a raiding expedition and get food for free?
 
Shard said:
Have we analyzed the children we are matching up our children with in their Playdates for personality clashes?
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I would have to go check. EDIT: Having checked, I think we're good...some of them are Rowdy, but that's a plus with our kids.

Shard said:
Speaking of which is the Valley Children Data threadmarked somewhere?
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No. But it's here.

Constenanto said:
Do we have an incentive for people to go with our expedition to trade for grain, when they could just go on a raiding expedition and get food for free?
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We have a ship, so there's that. Also, the risks are lower and we're more likely to actually get enough grain, which isn't always true of raiding. Like, raiding is a gacha, and every roll you risk scarier enemies arriving...trading is more expensive, but also you're more likely to actually get specific stuff.
 
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DeadmanwalkingXI said:
We have a ship, so there's that. Also, the risks are lower and we're more likely to actually get enough grain, which isn't always true of raiding.
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True, although the glory provided by raiding might be enticing enough to make people take the risk, so I guess it's up to them in the end.

Bass11 said:
We're providing a boat. If they want to just raid they'll have to get their own boat I guess.
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From what I understand, we're not the only people that have a boat - given the existence of raid trials - and I'd rather not have prospective rowers poached by other boat owners. Or just not come onto our boat at all.
 
Gabriel is not going to agree to help us go on a raiding expedition, and we need him as a guide/interpreter for going to Wessex. We need to go to Wessex because we know explicitly that this is where the cheapest grain is.

Mercenary work/monster-slaying I think would be fine, I'm all in favour of that! But raiding I think is a dealbreaker. Also I'm not really feeling it myself, just on a personal preference level.

DeadmanwalkingXI said:
I was sort of assuming this would just be rolled into buying trade goods in Asvir this turn.
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Fair play, but I thought it would be a good idea to check, because if it isn't rolled in, it'll be too late by then.

Oh, also, I meant to say this earlier, but I'm not sure Asvir is the production site for whetsones, soapstone or tar? It definitely is not for whetsones, but the second sentence there is ambiguous whether they're made locally and sold in Jurgdby, or are also sold in Asvir. Ideally if we can buy straight from the quarry/maker then we should, it will be cheaper and we have our own ship, which is the main thing which will force others to go through middlemen.

@Imperial Fister, can we buy soapstones and tar as cheapy in Asvir as as we can in Jurgdby, or would we be buying through local merchants who will take a cut?
 
Shard said:
Would Bossy be a problem?
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Probably not? That's probably the kid version of Leader and the only one of our kids who has the same (Hallbjorn) is super chill.

Constenanto said:
True, although the glory provided by raiding might be enticing enough to make people take the risk, so I guess it's up to them in the end.
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We've also got our personal rep, which is relevant. Going on a trade mission with Halla Skyfire, daughter of the Hero of Cyprus may not be as good as a raid with her, but it's better than a raid with some schmuck.

Constenanto said:
From what I understand, we're not the only people that have a boat - given the existence of raid trials - and I'd rather not have prospective rowers poached by other boat owners. Or just not come onto our boat at all.
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Early signs were promising, but as long as we wind up with enough people, I'm not too worried on this.

Bass11 said:
Also they don't have to past the raid trials to get on our boat. If they want to go on the ship for trading.
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They still need to pass...but they wouldn't need to have done the best ever. Like, the raid trials are a low bar and we don't want helpless people along. But they don't have to have been exceptional...not if we judge them cool headed and don't have better candidates.
 
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Bass11 said:
Also they don't have to past the raid trials to get on our boat. If they want to go on the ship for trading.
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True, but the people that we're going to be asking are listed as in the Lower Top - the same category as Halla - or even higher, so I can't Imagine passing being much of a problem.

DeadmanwalkingXI said:
We've also got our personal rep, which is relevant. Going on a trade mission with Halla Skyfire, daughter of the Hero of Cyprus may not be as good as a raid with her, but it's better than a raid with some schmuck.
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I mean, I don't think Halla is anywhere near famous enough to be more enticing than the glory one can get from a raid - even one with some random schmuck leading it - but like you said it doesn't really matter as long as we end up with enough people.

It would be odrengskapr to try and steal the ship from Halla, right? Them taking control or it and then going on a raid would suck, although it is admittedly very unlikely.
 
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Constenanto said:
I mean, I don't think Halla is anywhere near famous enough to be more enticing than the glory one can get from a raid - even one with some random schmuck leading it - but like you said it doesn't really matter as long as we end up with enough people.
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I mean, we are intending on probably also exploring and/or doing some mercenary work, which probably both count for Raid Orthstirr...so there's not zero glory to be had.
 
Maybe we should try and find acceptable targets to raid. Stuff like Knightly Manors or camps of raiders. I am sure the world is full of assholes we can rob without feeling bad.

Also, dosen't Asvir hold any tourneys or competitions of any kind? Like the wrestling match we partecipated at the start of the quest? We should see whether we can participate in some of these challenges.

Or organize a tournament at our farm, surely we have enough people. Also I'm sure some of the locals will want to try to fight with Gabriel, especially the younger ones who have never seen a Christian.
 
DeadmanwalkingXI said:
I mean, we are intending on probably also exploring and/or doing some mercenary work, which probably both count for Raid Orthstirr...so there's not zero glory to be had.
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We're willing to do mercenary work? I mean, sure, if that happens then I guess some glory can be had, if the English are willing to treat with us at all, which shouldn't be too hard if they're looking to trade with us.

By the way, what do you actually mean by exploring? Like, just wandering around? Looking for something to kill and/or take?
 
With our kids' dicepools, should we be worried about the ~4 opportunities to roll a net failure and spark another Incident?

Worth noting that Eyvor, with net successes, basically didn't do anything in the last Playdate. We should ask our children to specifically mingle with specific other children to avoid that happening again.
 
I remember Imperial rolling for our children's personality traits, but are they listed anywhere? Can't find the original post.
 
Mystic Pentagram said:
Maybe we should try and find acceptable targets to raid. Stuff like Knightly Manors or camps of raiders. I am sure the world is full of assholes we can rob without feeling bad.

Also, dosen't Asvir hold any tourneys or competitions of any kind? Like the wrestling match we partecipated at the start of the quest? We should see whether we can participate in some of these challenges.

Or organize a tournament at our farm, surely we have enough people. Also I'm sure some of the locals will want to try to fight with Gabriel, especially the younger ones who have never seen a Christian.
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The issue is we've got Gabriel with us, so we can't really raid Christians. We could raid other Norse, I guess, or any other local non-Christian peoples. (The Finns? Arctic reindeer herders?) But it's kind of difficult.

Honestly I'm going to be honest, I like the idea of Halla being a bit more reflective on the morality of this sort of thing after having read the bible, and being less enthusiastic about raiding and slavery than she was as a teenager. It's not something I'm personally super enthusiastic about doing more of unless we're already at war. This is purely my own preference talking here, but I will definitely vote accordingly if it comes up.
 
Skippy said:
Honestly I'm going to be honest, I like the idea of Halla being a bit more reflective on the morality of this sort of thing after having read the bible, and being less enthusiastic about raiding and slavery than she was as a teenager. It's not something I'm personally super enthusiastic about doing more of unless we're already at war. This is purely my own preference talking here, but I will definitely vote accordingly if it comes up.
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Halla was never a fan of enthralling people to begin with. From what Imperial has said in the past, I get the impression that she has a mixed opinion about raiding... she was said to actually enjoy it a lot once the fighting got going, but beforehand she's somewhat more introspective and aware of the damage she does.

Personally, I'd like to go on another raid - not particularly soon, in fact I'd probably vote against it if it happened any time soon - because only going on one raid ever in a viking quest is a huge disappointment for me, but ultimately that's my opinion and I respect yours.
 
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Skippy said:
The issue is we've got Gabriel with us, so we can't really raid Christians.
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I don't think Gabriel will have problems abaout attacking other Christians. I am sure Christian Lords fight each other all the time, and we can find some tyrant to attack.

Skippy said:
Honestly I'm going to be honest, I like the idea of Halla being a bit more reflective on the morality of this sort of thing after having read the bible, and being less enthusiastic about raiding and slavery than she was as a teenager. It's not something I'm personally super enthusiastic about doing more of unless we're already at war. This is purely my own preference talking here, but I will definitely vote accordingly if it comes up.
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I have already said that finding acceptable targets should not be hard. What is the difference between attacking a tyrannical Christian Lord and attacking random bandits and monsters?
 
Mystic Pentagram said:
Maybe we should try and find acceptable targets to raid. Stuff like Knightly Manors or camps of raiders. I am sure the world is full of assholes we can rob without feeling bad.
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I mean, that's literally part of the plan. Like 'we will kill bandits or monsters for cash' is part of the plan.

Constenanto said:
We're willing to do mercenary work? I mean, sure, if that happens then I guess some glory can be had, if the English are willing to treat with us at all, which shouldn't be too hard if they're looking to trade with us.
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It's in the plan, yeah. We're not raiding them because we don't want knights hunting us and because they're Gabriel's people, but if they have a bandit problem or monsters about, we'd happily kill those in exchange for money and/or food.

Constenanto said:
By the way, what do you actually mean by exploring? Like, just wandering around? Looking for something to kill and/or take?
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I mean wandering around in wild places looking for neat stuff.

Shard said:
With our kids' dicepools, should we be worried about the ~4 opportunities to roll a net failure and spark another Incident?
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Maybe, but the only alternative is, y'know, not helping them to have friends. Which seems bad.

Shard said:
Worth noting that Eyvor, with net successes, basically didn't do anything in the last Playdate.
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Yeah, but it wasn't a very good roll, and overshadowed by others.

Skippy said:
Honestly I'm going to be honest, I like the idea of Halla being a bit more reflective on the morality of this sort of thing after having read the bible, and being less enthusiastic about raiding and slavery than she was as a teenager. It's not something I'm personally super enthusiastic about doing more of unless we're already at war. This is purely my own preference talking here, but I will definitely vote accordingly if it comes up.
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This has absolutely nothing to do with the bible, and I'd actually be annoyed if it did. The bible does not actually make people who read it better people, IME. People who follow its teachings, maybe, but that's another discussion and Halla wasn't converted even a little.

Halla had a much more personal revelation about raiding being unpleasant stuff seeing the Knight in his destroyed garden and then remembering it later after the Troll-Men attack. And, as Constenanto notes, she was never a big fan of slavery, and Blackhand seems actively against it.
 
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