[X] Go to the funeral. Even being there might be a good way to rebuild your bridges with the Council.
-[X] Say something to her. All things considered her 'betrayal' was hardly personal...at least for you.
 
[X] Go to the funeral. Even being there might be a good way to rebuild your bridges with the Council.
-[X] Say something to her. All things considered her 'betrayal' was hardly personal...at least for you.
 
Say something to her. All things considered her 'betrayal' was hardly personal...at least for you.

I think it is important to note the last part of the "say something" option. To me, it sounds like Ciaran is basically incapable of really bridging the breach with Darra because she thinks she's done nothing wrong.

And just to note, Ciaran (read, us voters) DID mess up badly in sending our delicate young Jedi friend off to do crime for the Abyss Walkers. Even a productive sociopath needs to recognise when they've misused their tools.

Also, I doubt it not being a "personal betrayal" would make it better in Darra's eyes. It may even make it worse, since it would be showing that Ciaran ruined her life in a cold, impersonal **ck-up.

[X] Go to the funeral. Even being there might be a good way to rebuild your bridges with the Council.
-[X] Say something to her. All things considered her 'betrayal' was hardly personal...at least for you.

We need the Council to defeat Palpatine, so we're going to the funeral. Talking to Darra will increase the chance that the Council thinks we're sincere in our desire to rebuild bridges with the Jedi, so even if we fail gaining any ground with Darra herself, the attempt will be noted and considered by the Council.

I think this is the first good reason for approaching Darra I've seen. While any real rapprochement will depend on Darra, playing politics with it MAY work on the Council (I think we need a good write in option for it though).

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[X] Go to the funeral. Even being there might be a good way to rebuild your bridges with the Council.
-[X] Acknowledge her presence but don't speak to her unless she approaches you. Honestly pretending she doesn't exist would be rather childish.
 
[X] Go to the funeral. Even being there might be a good way to rebuild your bridges with the Council.
-[X] Acknowledge her presence but don't speak to her unless she approaches you.. Honestly pretending she doesn't exist would be rather childish.
 
[X] Go to the funeral. Even being there might be a good way to rebuild your bridges with the Council.
-[X] Acknowledge her presence but don't speak to her unless she approaches you.. Honestly pretending she doesn't exist would be rather childish.
 
[X] Go to the funeral. Even being there might be a good way to rebuild your bridges with the Council.
-[X] Acknowledge her presence but don't speak to her unless she approaches you. Honestly pretending she doesn't exist would be rather childish.
 
[X] Go to the funeral. Even being there might be a good way to rebuild your bridges with the Council.
-[X] Say something to her. All things considered her 'betrayal' was hardly personal...at least for you.

We need the Council to defeat Palpatine, so we're going to the funeral. Talking to Darra will increase the chance that the Council thinks we're sincere in our desire to rebuild bridges with the Jedi, so even if we fail gaining any ground with Darra herself, the attempt will be noted and considered by the Council.

I'm starting to feel like there is some misunderstanding on the essence of our problems with the Council. I don't think it's an issue of them disliking us, or that we have not been sincere enough in our efforts to build bridges.

The problem is that they know we are a powerful, greedy, opportunistic, intergalactic criminal that they (reasonably) believe should be treated with caution and suspicion. Everything they believe in tells them that they should bring us to justice. The only reason they haven't really tried is that their hands are already full with relatively greater threats. When Darra exposed us, she could have done much more damage than this thread seems to think. We just haven't felt it yet because the war made the Jedi momentarily shift priorities. The idea that this can be fixed or even mitigated just by being nice to any one person grossly undersells things.

I get that people like Darra (so do I), but some of her defenders try to make her look like some harmless puppy we are kicking for no reason. Many seems to forget that her goal was (and probably still is) to ultimately bring down Ciaran and the Abyss Watchers. From what I understand, she campaigned for the need of that pretty aggressively. She was forced to reluctantly shut up only because the Order decided that now is not the time to start a war with a popular philanthropist. I'm not voting to ignore her out of pettiness, I just think it's a very bad idea to open this can of worms at the mass funeral for dozens of terror victims.

I do agree that Darra was justified in acting the way she did but that's a moot point now. This has grown beyond something you can fix with superficial likability and acting like nothing happened. Brushing it off is ignorant at best and almost offensive at worst.

If we are serious about mending bridges we would, at the very least, need a write it like the one that the voters did to convince Anakin. I wouldn't be against that at all, but the funeral for the victims of a terrorist attack is not the right place to start justifying the necessity of our criminal dealings.
 
[X] Go to the funeral. Even being there might be a good way to rebuild your bridges with the Council.

-[X] Acknowledge her presence but don't speak to her given the chance. Honestly pretending she doesn't exist would be rather childish.
 
Alright since votes have slowed down and there's a clear majority I'm going to call it.
 
Honestly if the Jedi become to much of a problem we can fake our own death, steal as much of our own money as we need and set up somewhere else, or alternatively we get nasty and show them just how brutal fighting a galactic criminal syndicate that has force sensitives, unlimited robots, genius generals and the most powerful precog in the setting can be. Especially because if we have any brains at all once we take out Sidious we'll try to steal as much of his influence as possible.
 
Honestly if the Jedi become to much of a problem we can fake our own death, steal as much of our own money as we need and set up somewhere else, or alternatively we get nasty and show them just how brutal fighting a galactic criminal syndicate that has force sensitives, unlimited robots, genius generals and the most powerful precog in the setting can be. Especially because if we have any brains at all once we take out Sidious we'll try to steal as much of his influence as possible.
we own more then half the galaxy at this point. i think we could deal with the jedi...well if its only the jedi and they dont grab the republic to help them out.
like, the jedi only have like 10000 members right?
 
Honestly if the Jedi become to much of a problem we can fake our own death, steal as much of our own money as we need and set up somewhere else, or alternatively we get nasty and show them just how brutal fighting a galactic criminal syndicate that has force sensitives, unlimited robots, genius generals and the most powerful precog in the setting can be. Especially because if we have any brains at all once we take out Sidious we'll try to steal as much of his influence as possible.
We're like some kind of great big Force of Corruption or something.
 
We're like some kind of great big Force of Corruption or something.

I see what you did there!


Edit: hey, just realized. Given how Ciaran's basically taken over the Criminal Underworld And is friends with the Hutts, And saved Jabba's son, will Jabba end up becoming the sadistic and vindictive washed up has been he became by the time of Episode V?
 
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(Omake) Information Is Power (Canon)
Okay this wasn't the omake I was trying to do, but every time I tried to get the words down my mind failed. So here's an inner monologue from my Abysswalker.

Information Is Power (The Mind of Koliya Karrosi)

So tell me. What do you think the Galaxy runs on?

A starship runs on fuel, C-SEC run on donuts and politicians run on ego. Some will answer hard work and dedication to a cause and I'll give them that, the Galaxy is run by sapients, some of which provide hard labor, and focus to a profession. But I'm talking about the fuel, the catalyst. It is here that image of credits will pop up, but we all know that not everyone accepts credits. For there's one thing more valuable, that is universally accepted from the 'civilised' Core Worlds to the untamed regions of Wild Space.

Information, this is what runs our Galaxy.

Information can be bought, sold, traded, manipulated and used, used to build, or destroy. This is what runs our lives, and the one who controls the information… well, I think you know where this is going. Information can change lives, make them better or ruin them all in the blink of an eye.

At first glance, the Temple Bombing appears to lack the information needed. The bomber is a pasty. His wife likely is as well. And we can't be sure that our mystery spy is a Jedi or even part of the same group.

We have the type of explosives used, but there's no record of it going missing from private ventures or the highly regulated supplies for academic purposes. The Jedi Order has its own stock (for medical purposes of course), though with the security updates I'm sure they would have noticed any missing supplies. That however, narrows it down to one location we haven't checked.

Military supplies.

On the surface it sounds insane, surely they have better security? Use the information though and it becomes more clear. There's a war raging, the Jedi Order is a confusing part of the command structure and the Coruscant Guard have never really seen much action. They might be elite Clones, but they lack experience and in that gap, in between standard protocols, they filled it with assumptions.

Assumptions are a dangerous thing, take myself for example. Well spoken, urbanite, hair neat, claws trimmed, with an eye for data and high fashion, when I first joined the Agents from the Watchers my fellow compatriots though I was a fluffed up intelligence weenie who they could push over. They assumed that because I was well spoken, well dressed and urbanite from the least violent part of the Abyss Watchers, that I was from a certain background. But that was perception, not reality.

I grew up in the Undercity of Coruscant, in crushing poverty with a single mother who worked paw to muzzle to provide and it broke her. I grabbed every opportunity by the claws and dragged my way up from semi-legal ring fighting to bodyguard to Patches the Lothcat, the information broker that survived everything thrown at him. So when he pulled another vanishing trick and left me facing a group of Seekers... it was only right that I offered my services as someone who had seen his work. If only to get out of the Undercity.

I say this because you never know that hides behind a disguise. For example a bored shinny Clone sees someone in a brown robe with a metal cylinder at their hip walking through the base they'll immediately think Jedi. They won't question a surprise inspection of the supplies because that's what Commanders do. They won't search the Jedi leaving because it would be improper to search a superior. Then the next formal inspection of supplies is put off for there are better things to do and nobody notices that a few boxes are missing because ones from the back fill the gaps.

It's genius really, because when the GAR takes over the investigation, they'll never look. I mean who could turn down the chance to look better than the Jedi at something and who would be mad enough to infiltrate a military base and walk past the best of the best, dressed in mere cloth without any armour?

Lady Ciaran excluded of course.
 
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I'm still wondering if Zann is a lower ranked Abyss Walker right now working his way up the ranks, and using his time to gain both Contacts and Experience.
 
I'm still wondering if Zann is a lower ranked Abyss Walker right now working his way up the ranks, and using his time to gain both Contacts and Experience.

According to the wiki Tyber Zann was born 34BBY on Anaxes, a military stronghold known as 'The Defender of The Core' due to its position on a critical hyperspace lane. He's currently a teenager working at the family company Zann Remanufacturing, which retools scrapped military hardware for civilian use.

Sometime after the rise of the Empire he tried to rob one of his family's warehouses, only to get caught and shipped off to the Carida Imperial Academy due to his father's influence. He would be one of their most promising students and he mentored under a certain blue skinned Imperial... until he got caught running a black market in the place by his mentor.

So maybe Tyber isn't a member of the Abyss Watchers, but I can see him joining up after Palpatine.
 
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According to the wiki Tyber Zann was born 34BBY on Anaxes, a military stronghold known as 'The Defender of The Core' due to its position on a critical hyperspace lane. He's currently a teenager working at the family company Zann Remanufacturing, which retools scrapped military hardware for civilian use.

Sometime after the rise of the Empire he tried to rob one of his family's warehouses, only to get caught and shipped off to the Carida Imperial Academy due to his father's influence. He would be one of their most promising students and he mentored under a certain blue skinned Imperial... until he got caught running a black market in the place by his mentor.

So maybe Tyber isn't a member of the Abyss Watchers, but I can see him joining up after Palpatine.

Which of course would mean that the Watchers would have a EXTREMELY ruthless psycho around. I mean, in Forces of Corruption there was NO crime he didn't comit gladly.
 
Can someone tell me where the other two Abyss Walkers came from? We currently have five according to the front page yet I've never even heard of the other two before now (besides Reaper).
 
Maybe Anakin will leave the Jedi order before the war end?

Anakin : I'm want to quit the Jedi order!
Yoda : Leave the order, you are. Getting marry, you will.
Anakin : How did?
Other Masters : We have eyes, you know.
Yoda : Invite us, you will.
 
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