Magical Girl Escalation Taylor (Worm/Nanoha)

There's a marked difference, imo, between a passing interest and ChaoticSky's desired "screw Humanity, make me a machine.".

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Pretty much, I do not agree with Sky's above explanation and reject it.
Could you explain why? Because honestly, I would like to think that you have a better reason other than "no sane person would want to change themselves into a machine", but since the beginning of this vote I haven't seen anything other than that in differently veiled ways.
 
Vista wraps her right hand around her left wrist and jerks it back with a gasp. "Oh my God, it feels!"

"It only feels a little bit," Tim warns. "A narrow range of temperature and pressure. Wider ranges and fine touch, like what you need to tell textures apart, are sadly beyond my abilities at the moment, but I'm working on it."

"So you could upgrade it once you figure out how?" she asks with gleeful greed.

"I could, I guess, but it'd be easier just to build you a whole new arm." Vista stares at him slack-jawed, and he must have guessed what she was thinking because he continued, "Why do you think I installed the reactor and the connection plate into your actual body in the first place? These prosthetics are modular. If you want an arm that gives you enhanced strength or armor plating, I can do it. It won't look like a regular arm, and you won't be able to feel much with it, but there's nothing that says you can't have this arm or an upgraded version for your daily life and a combat-designed arm for patrols."

«And transhumanism wins itself another convert,» Samantha says with a laugh at Vista's ear-to-ear grin.

Thankfully for your peace of mind, the girl's phone starts beeping before she make any demands, and she pulls it out of her pocket.


@landcollector , Maskless 6.15 and 6.16 are a bit unclear as its hard to separate "Excited about not being a cripple" from "excited about supercool transhuman tech", buuuut this quote seems like more than plenty to justify ambiguity and finding out what she thinks once made aware of all the fancy options available free and (barring the At-Question opinion towards the replacing) low hassle? She already had a highly realistic-looking prosthetic with more touch sensitivity than expected, and her ear-to-ear grin followed a description of combat-focused secondary arm rather than any mention of "upgraded realism" prosthetic, so this seems pretty clearly about transhumanism and not healing yeah?
 
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There's a marked difference, imo, between a passing interest and ChaoticSky's desired "screw Humanity, make me a machine.".

Pretty much, I do not agree with Sky's above explanation and reject it.
I think the fundamental disconnect here... is that i do not see becoming a machine as becoming inhuman. You are what you are, I am what I am. Be I flesh or metal or flowing electrons... I remain myself.

To quote a favourite poem of mine~
Invictus said:
Out of the night that covers me,
Black as the pit from pole to pole,
I thank whatever gods may be
For my unconquerable soul.

In the fell clutch of circumstance
I have not winced nor cried aloud.
Under the bludgeonings of chance
My head is bloody, but unbowed.

Beyond this place of wrath and tears
Looms but the Horror of the shade,
And yet the menace of the years
Finds, and shall find me, unafraid.

It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate:
I am the captain of my soul.
 
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I think the fundamental disconnect here... is that i do not see becoming a machine as becoming inhuman. You are what you are, I am what I am. Be I flesh or metal or flowing electrons... I remain myself.

To quote a favourite poem of mine~
My personal opinion on this is a bit weirder. Why does humanity even matter? All that matters is that you're a person, human or not.
 
Could you explain why? Because honestly, I would like to think that you have a better reason other than "no sane person would want to change themselves into a machine", but since the beginning of this vote I haven't seen anything other than that in differently veiled ways.
It's not so much as "Never be a machine" given that I was supporting an Alchemical Vista in the AS quest. It's more that I do not agree with a sudden hard shift from passing interest to "Make me a machine". Things like that need a progression over time to be believable/not break characterization, imo
 
It's not so much as "Never be a machine" given that I was supporting an Alchemical Vista in the AS quest. It's more that I do not agree with a sudden hard shift from passing interest to "Make me a machine". Things like that need a progression over time to be believable/not break characterization, imo
Time did pass though, as far as I remember at least several weeks passed. I'm the wrong person to tell you whether it's enough time, since I honestly never held any attachment to any part of my body other than my mind, but time did pass, we just weren't observing Vista.
 
@Scope, I'm not sure where this question is coming from. Mind explaining the thought process behind your concerns?
Maybe I have it wrong (and I bet I probably am), but I thought that Missy had her arm cut off more or less at the elbow, and if the Heavy Arm choice wins the rest of the arm up to the shoulder is going to be replaced.

I mean, it could be possible her shoulder to biceps are only being made to be more energy efficient and her forearm is where all the weaponry is being stored, but then that gets me wondering about the structural integrity since the joint at the elbow isn't exactly the best place to handle the stress of being detachable.

Assuming that she still has her biceps at this time and the heavy arm mentions armoring it all the way to the shoulderblade or something, what good is the civilian arm (assuming it attaches somewhere around the elbow) if there is a section of metal between the synthetic flesh and actual flesh.
 
It's not so much as "Never be a machine" given that I was supporting an Alchemical Vista in the AS quest. It's more that I do not agree with a sudden hard shift from passing interest to "Make me a machine". Things like that need a progression over time to be believable/not break characterization, imo
Its not like thats going to happen either you know.

The vote is about her interest, which isnt the same as jumping in with both feet and begging taylor to turn her completely into a android on the spot.

I mean, you cant honestly think Silently is going to have vista quoting me if Heavy wins. I'm on the extreme end and i know it. I fully expect her to take time to get there.

The vote is merely the first step on the path. And its a step I, and everyone else who voted for Heavy, want her to take.

Conversely, no less than six of the Medium votes are not there because the voters want the Medium option, but merely Light voters who wish to spite those of us who want to open that journey up for Vista and avert the majority who wish for it. A crusade you had no small part in leading.

Now due to a technical glitch you may actually win. I do hope its satisfying.
 
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[X] Medium combat arm– Armor plating is limited to the hand and forearm as well as over the shoulder. Enhanced strength and mechashift weapons are available in the hand only. Energy weapons can be wherever. Build time will include ONE TIME SLOT for surgery.
 
Maybe I have it wrong (and I bet I probably am), but I thought that Missy had her arm cut off more or less at the elbow, and if the Heavy Arm choice wins the rest of the arm up to the shoulder is going to be replaced.

I mean, it could be possible her shoulder to biceps are only being made to be more energy efficient and her forearm is where all the weaponry is being stored, but then that gets me wondering about the structural integrity since the joint at the elbow isn't exactly the best place to handle the stress of being detachable.

Assuming that she still has her biceps at this time and the heavy arm mentions armoring it all the way to the shoulderblade or something, what good is the civilian arm (assuming it attaches somewhere around the elbow) if there is a section of metal between the synthetic flesh and actual flesh.
I… think I see the issue.

Missy didn't lose her arm at the elbow. She lost it about two inches down from the shoulder. Her entire left arm is already gone. Everything south of that is already mechanical, biceps and triceps included. That's why she can use her civilian arm as is; the connector plate is covered up by anything short of a tank top or a swimsuit, and because no one expects her to have a Tinkertech/magitech prosthetic, anyone who sees it (like all the tourists who saw her swimming while she and Taylor were in Australia) will assume it's a piece of arm cuff jewelry.
Its not like thats going to happen either you know.

The vote is about her interest, which isnt the same as jumping in with both feet and begging taylor to turn her completely into a android on the spot.

I mean, you cant honestly think Silently is going to have vista quoting me if Heavy wins. I'm on the extreme end and i know it. I fully expect her to take time to get there.

The vote is merely the first step on the path. And its a step I, and everyone else who voted for Heavy, want her to take.

Conversely, no less than six of the Medium votes are not there because the voters want the Medium option, but merely Light voters who wish to spite those of us who want to open that journey up for Vista and avert the majority who wish for it. A crusade you had no small part in leading.

Now due to a technical glitch you may actually win. I do hope its satisfying.
Umm, Sky? You might not want to get too disappointed just yet.
No arm – Vista is more than happy with prosthesis and returning her body to some facsimile of normal, but it should be done for necessity rather than to attempt becoming "superhuman".

Light arm – Small adjustments and improvements are acceptable, but people should stay flesh and blood by a vast majority.

Medium arm – Enhancements are perfectly reasonable for whatever your life's goals are, but there's something comforting about the human form that she does not want to stray from.

Heavy arm – Being effective at whatever task stands in front of you (in her case, fighting crime) is paramount, and if the natural human form has to be abandoned for that to happen, that's just how life is.
Both Medium and Heavy have Vista becoming transhumanist. It's a matter of whether she thinks staying within the baseline human shape should be a requirement or a suggestion.
 
Umm, Sky? You might not want to get too disappointed just yet.
Both Medium and Heavy have Vista becoming transhumanist. It's a matter of whether she thinks staying within the baseline human shape should be a requirement or a suggestion.
Sad thing is that actually makes me more disappointed. I admit i didnt realize Vista taking it that far this soon was on the table. I thought heavy was more... baby steps, get heavy machine arm here... maybe another piece there... so on, eventually having her more machine than not but still fundamentally humanoid. Maybe at the far end some future vote would give us the chance to abandon it for something more efficient... But hell, turns out the option included starting to wean off the idea already!

On the flipside, it means that Medium isnt as bad as i thought.

So yay for shifting expectations?
 
Ugh. I'm sitting here wondering where the hell the ra ra transhumanism ftw crowd came from. Neither of the two universes involved in the quest are at all heavy about it AFAIK.

And people seem intent on pushing Vista into abandoning her civilian life entirely and basically having her live to fight and be hero instead of having a fuller life.
 
Sad thing is that actually makes me more disappointed. I admit i didnt realize Vista taking it that far this soon was on the table. I thought heavy was more... baby steps, get heavy machine arm here... maybe another piece there... so on, eventually having her more machine than not but still fundamentally humanoid. Maybe at the far end some future vote would give us the chance to abandon it for something more efficient... But hell, turns out the option included starting to wean off the idea already!

On the flipside, it means that Medium isnt as bad as i thought.

So yay for shifting expectations?
It isn't a fully crystallized drive in her head right now. That would take a LOT more character development. It's where she'll end up. There's a reason even the heavily transhumanist option is still recognizably a human arm with under the hood enhancements.

The actual thought process at this moment in time is more "not good enough" versus "that's disturbing". Basically a heavy arm win would be her thinking "you know, I know you're talking about replacing a good chunk of me with metal, but surprisingly I don't find that thought all that icky. I mean, I'm still me".

A medium arm win would be "I want the toys, and I want to be a better hero, but taking my muscles out? That's kinda gross. What I have right now is good enough for what I need".
 
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the connector plate is covered up by anything short of a tank top or a swimsuit, and because no one expects her to have a Tinkertech/magitech prosthetic, anyone who sees it (like all the tourists who saw her swimming while she and Taylor were in Australia) will assume it's a piece of arm cuff jewelry.

Huh, I didn't realize the connector was still visible and semi obvious even with the improved civilian arm...a bit irritating since the intent of building it is obviously "won't hurt your Mask / good as new". Buuut on thoughts for handling it... friendship bracelets!! They could get matching ones that happen to be worn there, so the likely-assumption you mention is covered over by a truthy version? ^_^

And people seem intent on pushing Vista into abandoning her civilian life entirely and basically having her live to fight and be hero instead of having a fuller life.

For myself at least, and quite possibly ya know...all the people who voted for the hangout that led to globe-hopping and sleepover.... I ask Why Not Both? Yeah I'd like to support her Worm-Canon desire to see herself as much or more as Vista as she is Missy (I'd rather see a harmonious-blend the way New Wave was supposed to be, not pure No-Civvie) and wanting her to join a new team of ours is as much about getting her out of the Wards restrictions as it is about wanting the team itself. Buuut I also fully support doing civilian stuff like going to parties and making new friends (I wanted to introduce her to Laura and Kayleigh remember? And that'd be easier now she knows we aren't college age right?)
 
After authorial explanations of Vista's likely opinions and feelings, I am changing my vote.

[X] Heavy combat arm – Armor plating over the entire arm and shoulder. Enhanced strength, mechashift weapons, and energy weapons can be placed anywhere on the arm. Build time will include ONE TIME SLOT for surgery.
 
It's been twelve hours, and...

No.

NO!

You have GOT to be kidding me!

:eek::mad::rage::facepalm::cry:
Adhoc vote count started by Silently Watches on Mar 20, 2018 at 6:05 AM, finished with 13817 posts and 50 votes.
 
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I can switch if that would help?

[X] Heavy combat arm

(If it's too late to switch then disregard this)
 
Split the difference maybe? Have her attitude torn between the two options or something like that?

Vista looked between the two sketches again, it had looked so simple, just pick the level of adjustment she was comfortable with.

She'd dismissed the notion of not upgrading her combat arm almost instantly, and whilst she wasn't looking forward to extra adaptive surgery, she wasn't as put off by it either.

And so the light option was discarded, though with more than one backward glace to it occasionally.

That led to her current dilema. Heavy modification to a good chunk of her torso, or just what remained of her shoulder. She felt like she'd been pondering the two sketches for days.

She made lists, and at first they favoured one option, but as she expanded them she swung back the other way, until she was right back in the middle again.

Maybe she should just bite the bullet, and tell Shipwright she couldn't really decide between the two options.

She felt almost ashamed, she tries to be strong, to make her own choice, but she just kept bouncing between the two...

[DESTINATION]

[AGREEMENT]
 
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Oh god damn it. Why are people so determined to push Vista into full on transhumanism? You guys do realize that if you do so she's outright going to be unable to have a life outside of 'work'? She's already practically a child soldier. Let's not take away what's left of her non-Ward life please?
 
Oh god damn it. Why are people so determined to push Vista into full on transhumanism? You guys do realize that if you do so she's outright going to be unable to have a life outside of 'work'? She's already practically a child soldier. Let's not take away what's left of her non-Ward life please?
The problem is, it's pretty darn in-character fir her. She is one of the rare cases where she wants to have more of a work life. As far as I remember, it's also quite canon.

She wants people like you to stop overruling her choices and to let her be a hero dammit.
 
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