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Don't rely too much on long term powers; we need something useful for this situation or we will pass our last chance to reduce the probably high possibility for us and our family to simply die at the beginning of the next update.
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It's a Girl's World -- And Lilly wants Adventure
- Thread starter Slyvena
- Start date
- Original Mature Fantasy Action
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I think [Intuitor] (Common): (Flow) is the best fit for Lilly.
It's a multitasking ethos, it gives also boosts to first attempts to actions. A flow ethos that specializes in getting the hang and mastering varied talents in quick succession and combining them. Using them all in unison.
Lilly will not stop gaining ethos, one dedicated to synergy would be awesome. Also covers the flow and makes Lilly even smarter.
It's a multitasking ethos, it gives also boosts to first attempts to actions. A flow ethos that specializes in getting the hang and mastering varied talents in quick succession and combining them. Using them all in unison.
Lilly will not stop gaining ethos, one dedicated to synergy would be awesome. Also covers the flow and makes Lilly even smarter.
TaliesinSkye
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Anything we get now is unlikely to be useable in the next 16 seconds. It's not impossible, especially if it's a passive of some sort, but most powers took us a while to figure out, as the QM pointed out.
We should probably assume all we've got are the tools presently at hand.
And we were told that a social manipulator power would be really helpful.
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@TheBiggerFish are you sure you want to try to push the mental effect on Petal? It may make impossible to follow {The Ladder}'s plan to neutralize Valerie due to having our locus stopped.
TaliesinSkye
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It won't last; if necessary we can incapacitate Valerie while Evvie frees Petal.
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- Somewhere.
Yes, I'm sure, because once there's no longer somebody possessing Valerie, we're no longer in a huge time crunch to fix the issue. We can then just...strip away the effect with the Hybrid Siphon. It's a stopgap. But it only has to stop the gap. Also it's one of several options, not just the only thing to try.
I want to get Intuitor eventually - but not right now, at the cost of Shine, my Gentle Heart, I think. And Intuitor has come up multiple times, so I'm going to say "we might see this one again".
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Myah has a support ethos, and the one she wanted was another support ethos. Laywoman.
Her ethos is made to support another person, to be used by and useful to someone else. Since ethos will grow when utilized the right way, she needs to be used by Lilly to gain strength, not just because she wants to be useful to her saviour.
But Lilly has to accept that in turn, her strength will never be her own.
Do you think Lilly being this powerful will make Myah's ethos grow at an exalerated pace? A single boost potentially could effect all of Lilly's powers... But she is Incredible, any boon might just turn out to be minor. Too insignificant to contribute to Myah's ethos growth.
Her ethos is made to support another person, to be used by and useful to someone else. Since ethos will grow when utilized the right way, she needs to be used by Lilly to gain strength, not just because she wants to be useful to her saviour.
But Lilly has to accept that in turn, her strength will never be her own.
Do you think Lilly being this powerful will make Myah's ethos grow at an exalerated pace? A single boost potentially could effect all of Lilly's powers... But she is Incredible, any boon might just turn out to be minor. Too insignificant to contribute to Myah's ethos growth.
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[Shine My Gentle Heart] is one of the best ethea I've seen theme and power wise. Its about being good and inspiring in a dark world and doing the right thing even when its hard. It fits Lilly perfectly and despite being called a mere "Social Ethea", I suspect it will be able to used in broader ways as we level up. I could easily see it being useful in a group support way. And we can never have enough group support.
And yeah its social aspect's are also part of why I am so interested. Cleaver of Fortune is useful Socially but its very much a tool that doesn't help every interaction. We also can't always rely on it as it really wants us to go the easy way. Like it would have been wrong to intentionally make Myah dependant emotionally on us. A combo of Cleaver of Fortune, and Shine My Gentle Heart should be able to get us through
The rest well I prefer much less.
[A Loyal Steed] seems thematically cool i guess but I suspect it is the lowest potential of all long run. We could probably soul bond eventually with Chariot and get a lot of the same benefits for less oppurtunity cost.
[Militant] seems straightforward and boring.
[Laywoman] is a straightforward and boring choice. We also have 2 essence ethea already.
[Vital Hunt] is really cool. It is essence, but uses it in a different and thematic way with a lot of synergy with our current build. It is probably my second favorite ethea on the list. Its probably my second favorite on the list.
[Intuitor] seems thematically boring but fairly useful.
[Resolved in Flame] is an ethos that seems useful, but I would prefer to hold out for something more thematic for our first mana ethea.
[Limited Coordinate] is probably really useful but thematically doesnt interest me.
[The Path walked Alone] is really cool but has anti-synergy with our current more support based build. I also don't want Lilly to walk alone. I want her to be beside her friends and family during her path.
[Dissolution of the Self] seems like the worst idea possible to ever pick. Not only is the entity threatening us and evie hates it, the name is literally Dissolution of the Self. Picking this is a near guaranteed game over.
And yeah its social aspect's are also part of why I am so interested. Cleaver of Fortune is useful Socially but its very much a tool that doesn't help every interaction. We also can't always rely on it as it really wants us to go the easy way. Like it would have been wrong to intentionally make Myah dependant emotionally on us. A combo of Cleaver of Fortune, and Shine My Gentle Heart should be able to get us through
The rest well I prefer much less.
[A Loyal Steed] seems thematically cool i guess but I suspect it is the lowest potential of all long run. We could probably soul bond eventually with Chariot and get a lot of the same benefits for less oppurtunity cost.
[Militant] seems straightforward and boring.
[Laywoman] is a straightforward and boring choice. We also have 2 essence ethea already.
[Vital Hunt] is really cool. It is essence, but uses it in a different and thematic way with a lot of synergy with our current build. It is probably my second favorite ethea on the list. Its probably my second favorite on the list.
[Intuitor] seems thematically boring but fairly useful.
[Resolved in Flame] is an ethos that seems useful, but I would prefer to hold out for something more thematic for our first mana ethea.
[Limited Coordinate] is probably really useful but thematically doesnt interest me.
[The Path walked Alone] is really cool but has anti-synergy with our current more support based build. I also don't want Lilly to walk alone. I want her to be beside her friends and family during her path.
[Dissolution of the Self] seems like the worst idea possible to ever pick. Not only is the entity threatening us and evie hates it, the name is literally Dissolution of the Self. Picking this is a near guaranteed game over.
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- Location
- Poland
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Throwing my two cents here:
I think Lilly ignoring the Ladder's warning is not Lilly's fault. Aboleath/Valerie may induce a competence-reducing effect on her victims, most likely Flow based. Would fit her general powerset- a more subtle tool to trip up her enemies, especially if she's rendered unable to speak.
Which means that any of our plans may need to take into consideration the possibility that Lilly may make more dumb mistakes. Either through a disconnect with her power-based senses, or just general change in attitude to a more careless one?
Of course, if she manages to follow Ladder's advice, we may shut off this vector of attack... unless it already took root. Even if Petal takes it instead, it may start affecting her.
Something to be wary of, if not outright written in the plan to look out for? Literally just being aware of the possibility, which could prove useful given this hypothetical attack's nature. Also, they are likely to have more memetic bullshit that already snuck past our defenses.
I think Lilly ignoring the Ladder's warning is not Lilly's fault. Aboleath/Valerie may induce a competence-reducing effect on her victims, most likely Flow based. Would fit her general powerset- a more subtle tool to trip up her enemies, especially if she's rendered unable to speak.
Which means that any of our plans may need to take into consideration the possibility that Lilly may make more dumb mistakes. Either through a disconnect with her power-based senses, or just general change in attitude to a more careless one?
Of course, if she manages to follow Ladder's advice, we may shut off this vector of attack... unless it already took root. Even if Petal takes it instead, it may start affecting her.
Something to be wary of, if not outright written in the plan to look out for? Literally just being aware of the possibility, which could prove useful given this hypothetical attack's nature. Also, they are likely to have more memetic bullshit that already snuck past our defenses.
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- Somewhere.
...excuse me while I panic.Throwing my two cents here:
I think Lilly ignoring the Ladder's warning is not Lilly's fault. Aboleath/Valerie may induce a competence-reducing effect on her victims, most likely Flow based. Would fit her general powerset- a more subtle tool to trip up her enemies, especially if she's rendered unable to speak.
Which means that any of our plans may need to take into consideration the possibility that Lilly may make more dumb mistakes. Either through a disconnect with her power-based senses, or just general change in attitude to a more careless one?
Of course, if she manages to follow Ladder's advice, we may shut off this vector of attack... unless it already took root. Even if Petal takes it instead, it may start affecting her.
Something to be wary of, if not outright written in the plan to look out for? Literally just being aware of the possibility, which could prove useful given this hypothetical attack's nature. Also, they are likely to have more memetic bullshit that already snuck past our defenses.
But no, I think we have WoQM that it was just a high DC.
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
TBH, if we're dealing with an Incompetence Field instead of "Lilly is freaking out at her family being in danger and didn't delay", I think we'd already be in Bad End Territory here.
I've been meditating over my plan while at work, but I do have a few questions.
@Slyvena
1) How close is Valerie right now?
2) How fast is Lilly using either of the Geometer powers? Her abilities should give her a good grasp of how long it takes her to get from point A to point B, especially at a distance this close and this firmly linked to her heart
3) How fast does {Subversion} work? Based on the time she used it previously?
I've been meditating over my plan while at work, but I do have a few questions.
@Slyvena
1) How close is Valerie right now?
2) How fast is Lilly using either of the Geometer powers? Her abilities should give her a good grasp of how long it takes her to get from point A to point B, especially at a distance this close and this firmly linked to her heart
3) How fast does {Subversion} work? Based on the time she used it previously?
TaliesinSkye
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Anyone who knocks social insight/manipulation powers hasn't realized just how terrifyingly effective they can be.
Shine My Gentle Heart is the kind of power that can be used to turn foe to friend, to end wars, and to build nations.
Want Lilly to be the benevolent creator of a peaceful, prosperous golden age of man?
A power that makes people love you and get along is exactly the sort of power that could do it.
It's also the sort of power you need to rally all mankind against an existential threat under your banner. And it looks like we might need to do that soon.
I wonder if Lilly could ask Evvie to stop her if she ever ignores advice that dire and immediate again for any reason. That seems like a good precaution to take against future mind control attacks.
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- Location
- Poland
- Pronouns
- He/Him
If Lily was a normal peasant girl, she'd be dead from that. Instead, she has a lot of internal defenses working in her favor. But, even now it took a friendly godling's intervention to unfreeze her soul.
All I am saying is- something small but annoying may still linger in Lilly's brain/soul. Not enough to Stop her, but enough to throw off her aim in those frantic 13 seconds.
Slyvena
I don't like pie.
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- Pie Shop
Whoops, that's an relic from early notes. I often just call it 'Bedrock' for short.
That's probably going to stay the case so long as your life continues to be accurately summarised by "Do new thing, Do new thing, Do new thing. Do ol- no wait, new thing."
1) Approx 3 metres away from you and 1.5 metres from your family. You are near the door, she is toward the other side of the room.
2) Both those powers require pre-prepartion or ramp-up. You could spool up a {Slipstream} telejump or a gradual {Magnify} speed increase in a direct line before the thirteen seconds are up, but no lightning fast application of extra-spatial shenanigans.
3) Lilly does not have a solid idea on that. The reality is that if you are willing break things like a bull running through a China shop then you can make it go really fast. You just might not be able to put all the pieces back together even with {Rest State}. But Lilly's general inclination is that it felt like a matter of seconds to adopt a similiar but slightly altered mind-state relatively safely. Total negation of concepts, understandings or meta-physical interactions are all things she does not have the experience or context to have an accurate estimate on.
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
So, we're in fucking knife fighting range and Lilly is a zwee fighter.
"Girl, you have fucked up"
The question here seems less "Can Lilly deal with the Problem" and more "Can Lilly deal with the problem without becoming a murderer or watching her family turning into dead torsos"
Hmm, beyond that.
Presumably, {Subversion} works better if the change is relatively small, right?
"Girl, you have fucked up"
The question here seems less "Can Lilly deal with the Problem" and more "Can Lilly deal with the problem without becoming a murderer or watching her family turning into dead torsos"
Hmm, beyond that.
Presumably, {Subversion} works better if the change is relatively small, right?
NGL I am kinda annoyed at the whole scenario since it feels kinda weird that Lilly just plain ignored the advice ladder gave right beforehand about how she should definitely not listen or see anything with non domain senses. I get Lilly ignoring some social stuff but this just feels weird to ignore and almost contrived. I'm guessing we must have really fumbled the dice there because it probably should have been a low DC to listen to the ladder on the hearing and seeing bit.
Slyvena
I don't like pie.
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- Pie Shop
Yep. Similar principles to altering the trajectory of an object. Small or slow shifts are easiest, large or last-minute shifts are hardest. It being yourself makes everything much easier thankfully.
DC was 60, you rolled 46.
It is actually remarkably easy to throw tactical thinking out the window when suddenly confronting with an unexpected extreme stress situation, for adults. If Lilly was an ordinary kid I would have set the DC at 95
TaliesinSkye
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If it helps, remember that she's still just a kid, and I think she made an emotional decision along the lines of 'my family is in trouble, MUST RESCUE THEM NOW' rather than doing the smart thing.
Edit: Simurghed by QM. XD
Edit Edit: In some ways this might actually be a better outcome. Valerie thinks she's disabled us, so we have a moment to act. If we'd walked in the door unaffected she might have done something we couldn't fix to the hostages.
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Yeah Lilly panic-inted and now we're stuck in it. The dice are cruel.
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- United States of America, Michigan
Hmm can we take an example of our Rose adventure and just Subversion away the memory of being ordered to Stop? Probably easier and safer than removing the concept of stopping itself. Also would mean Lilly would be a little confused about the situation but I think if we have Petal use Cessation Rivet to keep her from moving for a second Lilly will figure things out real quick.
TaliesinSkye
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Say, if we have a Relations connection with someone, does it passively bring it to our attention if they're in trouble? I'm wondering if we could detect signs through the bond like high emotions or the physiological manifestations of things like panic or pain.
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- St. Petersburg
"Martin's"
"too", on both counts
"to"
Pick one?
"city's walls", or "city walls"
Just "was", maybe?
"but"
"back", possibly?
Probably a typo in there somewhere.
"easier"?
"if you allow it"
"mundane"?
possibly a mix of several expressions
"too", unless Val started early.
Possibly a dot is required instead of a semicolon, or else there is an erroneous capitalisation.
[x] [ACG] I Accepted the Trial.
[ ] [SES] Dissolution of the Self
I'd like to hear the pitch. What does a lvl 0 ability do? lvl 10?
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As another Tactical note, we don't have to shift Stop all that much to something like "Stop me" via subversion to get what we need. Currently we are essentially doing something like "Stop your body from moving" which conceptually is fairly far from "Stop me". We could probably shift the command to something easier like "Stop hearing" which is conceptually closer as we would be essentially just be doing a smaller stop on ourselves.
This would also have the benefit of likely being faster.
This would also have the benefit of likely being faster.
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
[X] Plan: And with Swiftness--Swiftness Beyond Measure...
-[X] {Subversion} You understand, nobody wants to be a murderer, she clearly said "Stop Me" just now, you'll do just that. (Altering a command by a single syllable)
--[X] Emergency Backup: Hand Control to Petal if you're running out of time, have her execute the next step as your proxy using {Relations}
-[X] Enter full Domain Perception mode, the Ladder warned you before and you ignored it, not twice--invoke {Sample Space} to guide your approach--at your full speed, that should be considerably less than even a second at this distance, gag her and cover her eyes to the best of your ability--don't be afraid to knock out some teeth or bloody her if need be, you can't afford to be gentle and you can fix it later. Once her voice is bound and her eyes aren't looking at anything you care for, follow {The Ladder}'s earlier instructions--extrude your Domain into her Heart and sever the occupying Entity.
-[X] When her voice is bound (Or ideally, she knocked out in some fashion, the point is that she be neutralized), extend Essence Links to your family to help handle the stresses of what she did, while you work on a means to break the command. Once confident in their safety, utilize {Slipstream} to deposit Valerie into Petal's care--the Ladder said the {Attuned Locus} and not the Dreamspace--and you don't think you can force someone in there yet anyway.
-[X] Everything is on the table here. This is not the time or place to be holding back.
[X] [SES] Shine, my Gentle Heart
[X] [BLU] At her lowest point, she found a hidden light.
[X] [BBLU] Her blood burned hot and thick, the enemy knew to avoid its scalding spray.
An alternate name for this plan would be "You've committed one of the five classic blunders! Like never betting against a Sicilian when Death is on the line, but only slightly less famous is 'Don't be a squishy caster who's in melee range with a Pithe Warrior!' " but that was a bit too long for comfort.
That aside, I would point out that "Valerie has historically been shown to be very dumb and her power tends to do exactly what she says to the best of reality's ability to execute it". She said Stop and everything that could stop has stopped. The order is being followed to perfection.
Adding a single extra syllable though changes the context to "Stop ME", and makes her power work for us instead.
-[X] {Subversion} You understand, nobody wants to be a murderer, she clearly said "Stop Me" just now, you'll do just that. (Altering a command by a single syllable)
--[X] Emergency Backup: Hand Control to Petal if you're running out of time, have her execute the next step as your proxy using {Relations}
-[X] Enter full Domain Perception mode, the Ladder warned you before and you ignored it, not twice--invoke {Sample Space} to guide your approach--at your full speed, that should be considerably less than even a second at this distance, gag her and cover her eyes to the best of your ability--don't be afraid to knock out some teeth or bloody her if need be, you can't afford to be gentle and you can fix it later. Once her voice is bound and her eyes aren't looking at anything you care for, follow {The Ladder}'s earlier instructions--extrude your Domain into her Heart and sever the occupying Entity.
-[X] When her voice is bound (Or ideally, she knocked out in some fashion, the point is that she be neutralized), extend Essence Links to your family to help handle the stresses of what she did, while you work on a means to break the command. Once confident in their safety, utilize {Slipstream} to deposit Valerie into Petal's care--the Ladder said the {Attuned Locus} and not the Dreamspace--and you don't think you can force someone in there yet anyway.
-[X] Everything is on the table here. This is not the time or place to be holding back.
[X] [SES] Shine, my Gentle Heart
[X] [BLU] At her lowest point, she found a hidden light.
[X] [BBLU] Her blood burned hot and thick, the enemy knew to avoid its scalding spray.
An alternate name for this plan would be "You've committed one of the five classic blunders! Like never betting against a Sicilian when Death is on the line, but only slightly less famous is 'Don't be a squishy caster who's in melee range with a Pithe Warrior!' " but that was a bit too long for comfort.
That aside, I would point out that "Valerie has historically been shown to be very dumb and her power tends to do exactly what she says to the best of reality's ability to execute it". She said Stop and everything that could stop has stopped. The order is being followed to perfection.
Adding a single extra syllable though changes the context to "Stop ME", and makes her power work for us instead.
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