At the moment, no. We have our 37 base Martial, +10 from the crit fail, and potentially another +5, if this night pissed us off sufficently to bump our rage tier up, and that's it.
FATHER QUEST - A Cartoon Network: Villains Victorious CK2-Style Quest Cross Over
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Yeah, with those numbers we would need to roll higher than 70. Not worth to risk it sadly.
Lifeandlice
Practitioning side-character
- Location
- Usa
You know, Jasper seemed to indicate she might come down to try and duel Father herself. Which is pretty funny in and of itself, imagining a whole faction leader (well, half of one) just straight up leaving to go get into a prearranged fight, assumedly behind a local Denny's a 4am.
But what's even funnier is that we have a Guild Assigned Nemesis now, who if I'm remembering right would be bound to interfere with some rando moving in on his Nemesis fighting turf.
But what's even funnier is that we have a Guild Assigned Nemesis now, who if I'm remembering right would be bound to interfere with some rando moving in on his Nemesis fighting turf.
"I come here on our little playdate, and I find you already engaged in cartoonish physical violence with another...Well, not man, but alien-space-rock-woman? Benny, you two-timer! OK, little miss. Would you be willing to flip a coin or shall we have to settle this another way? I warn you, i'm rubber and a fighter..."
Asmodemus
Subversive Element
Double down is my favored option here.
Because of the ending part here.
Really scream them childhood issues to the world. Let everyone know what the strongest (Active) figure around really is. A guy with a messed up childhood taking it out on every child that doesn't have it as bad as he did. And anyone else that he wants to. Because he can.
Because of the ending part here.
Really scream them childhood issues to the world. Let everyone know what the strongest (Active) figure around really is. A guy with a messed up childhood taking it out on every child that doesn't have it as bad as he did. And anyone else that he wants to. Because he can.
Maybe that's not who we WANT to be anymore. And also, strongest active figure? Really? REALLY NOW? Even just sticking to the same continent, Anti-Pops would still eat us for breakfast. And that's not even getting into Black Hat, XANA, The Lich, fucking AKU...
- Location
- Fall, or somewhere close to it
[] DISOWN IT (WITH A TWIST)
We all do some things that we eventually come to regret. Like filming it.
You'd… never do that to children… again… without a good reason…
Besides, you don't need to! With the war against the KND won and the remnants of their leadership enslaved under the rule of Moltar, slick move on that by the way, it's now time to focus on what really makes Adulthood worth adulting: soul-sucking corporate power structures, Coffee, and weekly barbeque supplies. Buy AdultCo! Every piece of coal and sheaf of paper bought goes straight to the war effort! The Canadian orphans will thank you and that green dorito headed mood rock will be even more upset! Everyone likes to see their hard work recognized…
I think Disown it is the best option, but I also felt it could use a small something.
We all do some things that we eventually come to regret. Like filming it.
You'd… never do that to children… again… without a good reason…
Besides, you don't need to! With the war against the KND won and the remnants of their leadership enslaved under the rule of Moltar, slick move on that by the way, it's now time to focus on what really makes Adulthood worth adulting: soul-sucking corporate power structures, Coffee, and weekly barbeque supplies. Buy AdultCo! Every piece of coal and sheaf of paper bought goes straight to the war effort! The Canadian orphans will thank you and that green dorito headed mood rock will be even more upset! Everyone likes to see their hard work recognized…
I think Disown it is the best option, but I also felt it could use a small something.
Asmodemus
Subversive Element
The text shows clearly that it hurts to deny that we don't hate children. These other things, they aren't turning away from hating children. They are just trying to cover it up. Badly. Outright lying.
Lying to yourself, or as in this case, not to yourself, but to others, about who you are, does not make you become what you wish you were.
And Father? Father clearly, in all the text. Does not wish to change. Yet.
The Lich: Is he around? Is he doing things?
Aku: Literally not active, just laying around. If he was active we'd be bowing to a statue of his likeness.
Anti-Pops: I don't know their status
Black Hat: Okay, point. But we're the strongest in our hemisphere.
One, citation needed. I actually kinda like the idea of Father becoming the mask on that.
Two: Both the Lich and Anti-Pops are for sure on the map, and we know Regular Show is included, so i'd be surprised if they aren't. And Anti-Pops is in our hemisphere, in fact.
Three: Honestly, I doubt that much. There are plenty of others who can stand toe-to-toe. Jasper did give us a decent fight, even if we won that round. Even Mandark could probably wreck some bloody havoc with that mech-suit of his.
Asmodemus
Subversive Element
Second option. The 'lie about it' option, as opposed to the 'tell the truth' option and the 'try to sweep it all under the rug' option:
It hurts to think, that he doesn't hate children.
This is him. It is who he is.
What ever. They aren't public figures, so Father is the strongest guy the public know of. Which is what I was saying. Not our mystical know all the details vision.
Lifeandlice
Practitioning side-character
- Location
- Usa
So, not entirely sure but I think I see about three equally impactful effects from each answer (discarding Write Ins as they're more variable obviously).
The main problem is that people are ignoring that this is Father, he's childish. Whichever path he chooses is the one he'll keep going on with even to massive detriment no matter what.
1. Double Down- Explode in Anger but tell the Truth. This is...rather extreme for some, but holy shit is it the only one where he doesn't lie and completely lays it out on the table. Effects...I don't know actually, everyone with a brain should've already guessed Father was a semi-deranged lunatic (see what other povs we've had) but this explicitly says why he is. As for Hank...I don't know what he'll think about this, depends on which part he focuses on.
2. Deny- Lie, straight up lie. Get ready to be called 'liar liar pants on Fire' forever. It's not even good lies and everyone will see through it cause they literally just say evidence. Effects... probably not good, no one's going to believe this in the slightest. Hank... probably takes a severe hit if not dips but I can't be 100% sure on that.
3. Disown it- Despite looking immediately like the 'good option' I do not believe this to be the actual case. He does not actually answer the question, he just. Sidesteps it. Badly. Very badly sidesteps it. And I doubt it's going to work, or if it does then things are still going to take a hit and if not all auto-resolving now then things are going to be massively tense until things inevitably blows up again. And it will.
Honestly. A write in to destroy these dumbass cameras and just spill guts to Hank seems kinda appealing.
The main problem is that people are ignoring that this is Father, he's childish. Whichever path he chooses is the one he'll keep going on with even to massive detriment no matter what.
1. Double Down- Explode in Anger but tell the Truth. This is...rather extreme for some, but holy shit is it the only one where he doesn't lie and completely lays it out on the table. Effects...I don't know actually, everyone with a brain should've already guessed Father was a semi-deranged lunatic (see what other povs we've had) but this explicitly says why he is. As for Hank...I don't know what he'll think about this, depends on which part he focuses on.
2. Deny- Lie, straight up lie. Get ready to be called 'liar liar pants on Fire' forever. It's not even good lies and everyone will see through it cause they literally just say evidence. Effects... probably not good, no one's going to believe this in the slightest. Hank... probably takes a severe hit if not dips but I can't be 100% sure on that.
3. Disown it- Despite looking immediately like the 'good option' I do not believe this to be the actual case. He does not actually answer the question, he just. Sidesteps it. Badly. Very badly sidesteps it. And I doubt it's going to work, or if it does then things are still going to take a hit and if not all auto-resolving now then things are going to be massively tense until things inevitably blows up again. And it will.
Honestly. A write in to destroy these dumbass cameras and just spill guts to Hank seems kinda appealing.
Ohmaigah
Man be Vibin
- Location
- Ask Carmen Sandiego or Waldo
- Pronouns
- He/Him
As appealing to us, the voters, would be, we have to think about how it would affect how all of the other kings see us. Paired with how we responded with our previous King interactions, and even with Numbuh 362, we're seen as a Bully, A Child, and unable to grow up/adapt with the times.
I think the best course of action, that also fits in with Father's character I believe, would be to take a page out of Stickybeard's Book. The world is changing, and we have to change with it. Admit to what we did, but make notice of what you've done recently.
And Slander the Heck out of the other kings, cause we have to keep that childish attitude, but keep is partially masked with some sense of adulthood.
- Location
- USA
Well. 362 has absolutely seen her operatives fucking DIE.
Add to the To Do List, we need a way to actually hurt Aku. The fucker isnt going to be content with Japan forever.
Add to the To Do List, we need a way to actually hurt Aku. The fucker isnt going to be content with Japan forever.
Fantastic interlude, great drama. All very engaging.
But, uhh... I thought we rolled well for this action? Yet here we are getting demolished in front of a global audience. Now here I find myself sitting while wondering just how awful a BAD roll would have looked.
Oh well, at least after this interview we can go decompress with our ever reliable employee Hex. See how the lawnmowing work is going.
But, uhh... I thought we rolled well for this action? Yet here we are getting demolished in front of a global audience. Now here I find myself sitting while wondering just how awful a BAD roll would have looked.
Oh well, at least after this interview we can go decompress with our ever reliable employee Hex. See how the lawnmowing work is going.
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[] DISOWN IT
We all do some things we eventually come to regret. Like filming it.
You'd… never do that to children… again… without a good reason…
Besides, you don't need to! With the war against children won, it's now time to focus on what really makes Adulthood worth adulting: soul-sucking corporate power structures and weekly barbeque supplies. Buy AdultCo! Every piece of coal and sheaf of paper bought goes straight to the war effort! The Canadian orphans will thank you! Everyone likes to see their hard work recognized…
Of the three options, this is the least bad option and perhaps a great opportunity to perhaps see some character growth out of Father…since you know the KND threat is no more. Time to focus on the bigger game. It is time for Father to get a rebranding of sorts, no longer seen as a bully to the kids but instead a responsible adult tackling difficult world affairs.
Also I like to keep good relations with Hank
We all do some things we eventually come to regret. Like filming it.
You'd… never do that to children… again… without a good reason…
Besides, you don't need to! With the war against children won, it's now time to focus on what really makes Adulthood worth adulting: soul-sucking corporate power structures and weekly barbeque supplies. Buy AdultCo! Every piece of coal and sheaf of paper bought goes straight to the war effort! The Canadian orphans will thank you! Everyone likes to see their hard work recognized…
Of the three options, this is the least bad option and perhaps a great opportunity to perhaps see some character growth out of Father…since you know the KND threat is no more. Time to focus on the bigger game. It is time for Father to get a rebranding of sorts, no longer seen as a bully to the kids but instead a responsible adult tackling difficult world affairs.
Also I like to keep good relations with Hank
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- Location
- USA
Ah, but you see, the reward here is CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT.
One way or another, Father is going to CHANGE from this.
Travler66
Let her name echo in song!
- Location
- Beyond
Late-night talk shows are where people get roasted all the time, so the same happening here wasn't too unexpected. The thing to take away from this is not to rise up to any taunts or explode on live television.
As for the way Hank is reacting to the fact that Father is a supervillain, it could have been a lot worse. I suspect that if it had been a bad roll, he would have gotten the heck out of doge. Instead, he's choosing to ask Father directly why he hates kids.
Which leads to the options, there doesn't really seem to be a good one so I think it's best go for the least bad option. I don't want us to alienate Hank.
KidFromPallet
Pokemon Fan
- Location
- Pallet Town
Reaction to update:
I feel like Double Down is the best choice for a few reasons.
First, just reading Deny and Disown, you can see they have a different structure than Double Down. They're skittish, fragmentary, full of ellipses and cut off sentences. Meanwhile, Double Down has none of that. It's full thoughts, full sentences, and Father is saying this 'with a fire in his voice'. In my view, it is absolutely the answer that gets us the most credibility among our peers. They can question our choice in enemies, they can call us stupid, but this is us showing that we've got the passion necessary for a villain. And on the Hank side of things, it might not be all bad. He may disagree with how far Father takes it, but I think Hank could be amenable to a milder form of Adult Tyranny, given his iconic line about how 'that boy ain't right' in reference to Bobby.
Second, I think this might be a good way for Hank to find out. If we Deny or Disown, we're just kicking the problem down the road in regards to Hank learning about Father's supervillainy. We'd still have to tiptoe around what we say or do around Hank, and it's not like we'd stop fighting kids either, we'd do so both out of pragmatism (the KND continue to exist as a threat to us) and genuine enjoyment on Father's part. At least this way, we're having Hank find out in a manner that showcases Father's conviction (the whole 'fire in his voice') part, something that should earn Father some points from Hank, given how a weak handshake was enough to shake Hank's allegiance to a presidential candidate.
Thirdly, I'd like to Double Down for narrative reasons. Father has spent this entire show being mocked and belittled, with his anger rising higher and higher. The one bright spot for him was when he got to punch back a bit in the Gem section. I'd like to see him hit his boiling point and really let loose. It feels like this entire update has been building up to Father erupting, and I'd really like to see that. Father finally having enough and refusing to take anymore, exploding with anger and then returning home with a newly-stoked desire to be a great soopervillain seems like it'd be really nice to read.
I imagine this is intended to say 'screams and burning metal'.
I mean, we've got Toiletnator, XXXL, and Stickybeard well and accounted for. Wink and Fibb also want to join back up, we've learned Joe's out of the game, and Mr. Fizz seems to have found employment with Katz. There are some we haven't reached out to, whether out of lack of will (Spankulot, Knightbrace) or lack of means (haven't had any leads on Stuffum, Cat Lady, or others/more minor ones I'm probably forgetting), but overall we've at least looked into the circumstances of a decent number of our soopervillains.
Wow, just scream that this is a trap, why don't you.
I mean, there exist villains who have noble goals (or what they think are noble goals) but simply go to far in their pursuit of them. Hypothetically, it could be argued that if Adult Tyranny is 'good', the KND's opposition to such a thing is 'bad', while Father's enforcement of Adult Tyranny is 'villainous' because of how far he takes it. Not just attempting to uphold it through the channels society allows, like going to PTA meetings or writing parenting books, but flat-out breaking the law and engaging in criminal acts to enforce as much Adult Tyranny as possible.
Primate, you are regularly destroyed by three young children. You have zero room to talk.
The point of being a soopervillain is to invest inordinate amounts of time, money, effort, and cruelty into an incredibly petty idea. If we want to spend our time and effort ensuring children's souls are crushed, then by golly we will do so for no other reason than it bringing Father joy!
C'mon Moltar, you can't just say that. Now we have to do it.
Go ahead and step to us if you're able, but once Hex gets Father's personal Occult score rolling we'll be stronger than you.
Mmm, well, let's see. Two important things to note here. One, how Father feels about children does not seem to be in question, the choice is merely whether he will try and hide his hatred from Hank or not. Choosing to lie or deny will not make Father hate children any less. Secondly, this also impacts how others think of Father. Others like, say, the group of villains that just called in to heckle us.
I feel like Double Down is the best choice for a few reasons.
First, just reading Deny and Disown, you can see they have a different structure than Double Down. They're skittish, fragmentary, full of ellipses and cut off sentences. Meanwhile, Double Down has none of that. It's full thoughts, full sentences, and Father is saying this 'with a fire in his voice'. In my view, it is absolutely the answer that gets us the most credibility among our peers. They can question our choice in enemies, they can call us stupid, but this is us showing that we've got the passion necessary for a villain. And on the Hank side of things, it might not be all bad. He may disagree with how far Father takes it, but I think Hank could be amenable to a milder form of Adult Tyranny, given his iconic line about how 'that boy ain't right' in reference to Bobby.
Second, I think this might be a good way for Hank to find out. If we Deny or Disown, we're just kicking the problem down the road in regards to Hank learning about Father's supervillainy. We'd still have to tiptoe around what we say or do around Hank, and it's not like we'd stop fighting kids either, we'd do so both out of pragmatism (the KND continue to exist as a threat to us) and genuine enjoyment on Father's part. At least this way, we're having Hank find out in a manner that showcases Father's conviction (the whole 'fire in his voice') part, something that should earn Father some points from Hank, given how a weak handshake was enough to shake Hank's allegiance to a presidential candidate.
Thirdly, I'd like to Double Down for narrative reasons. Father has spent this entire show being mocked and belittled, with his anger rising higher and higher. The one bright spot for him was when he got to punch back a bit in the Gem section. I'd like to see him hit his boiling point and really let loose. It feels like this entire update has been building up to Father erupting, and I'd really like to see that. Father finally having enough and refusing to take anymore, exploding with anger and then returning home with a newly-stoked desire to be a great soopervillain seems like it'd be really nice to read.
Rather prefer an option that still show us accepting our past. If this is a campfire, then to me these options are like people asking me what to do with the fire that I like now that the night is over, and how I don't really need it anymore.
The first is me madly adding a whole gallon of gasoline to the camp fire, screaming "Screw the morning!" and "I want my fire no matter what!".
The second is me putting out the fire, even though I really don't want to. But I do it anyway because I don't want other people to think weirdly of me liking fire so much.
The third is me removing the open campfire to a hole, saying that it will be easier to put it down with dirt now that it is in there. Nothing really changes beside it's location. The fire is still burning, and the morning is still coming.
Considering our name is Father, I want our response to be one that is mature, but didn't reject even a single bit of ourselves. Calmly saying that, yes, we would like to keep the fire burning. Instead of adding an unreasonable amount of fuel to it however, we would only add in some burning wood that is necesary to not only keep the fire burning, but also making it look beautiful.
Let me try making it.
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[ ] Owning It
It is as simple as that.
You hate children, that's because they are nothing but trouble. They are rude, disrespectful, and annoying. You hate children because most of them doesn't even know what an Adult seems to mean.
But you can tolerate that. You hate children because those bad traits mostly only exist in children. You can even somewhat respect children who could give an Adult like you what you are due, just like a child who you had met not too long ago.
KND however? They are just the worse. They are everything that you hate but 10 times as bad. Always running around causing problems without a single care of the consequences that they cause.
You only give your most special teachings to these childrens. You admit to enjoy them, even though sometimes you might get overboard, but that only means you will do it differently next time. You will only discipline the bad childrens who annoys you, including those who didn't look like children.
The first is me madly adding a whole gallon of gasoline to the camp fire, screaming "Screw the morning!" and "I want my fire no matter what!".
The second is me putting out the fire, even though I really don't want to. But I do it anyway because I don't want other people to think weirdly of me liking fire so much.
The third is me removing the open campfire to a hole, saying that it will be easier to put it down with dirt now that it is in there. Nothing really changes beside it's location. The fire is still burning, and the morning is still coming.
Considering our name is Father, I want our response to be one that is mature, but didn't reject even a single bit of ourselves. Calmly saying that, yes, we would like to keep the fire burning. Instead of adding an unreasonable amount of fuel to it however, we would only add in some burning wood that is necesary to not only keep the fire burning, but also making it look beautiful.
Let me try making it.
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[ ] Owning It
It is as simple as that.
You hate children, that's because they are nothing but trouble. They are rude, disrespectful, and annoying. You hate children because most of them doesn't even know what an Adult seems to mean.
But you can tolerate that. You hate children because those bad traits mostly only exist in children. You can even somewhat respect children who could give an Adult like you what you are due, just like a child who you had met not too long ago.
KND however? They are just the worse. They are everything that you hate but 10 times as bad. Always running around causing problems without a single care of the consequences that they cause.
You only give your most special teachings to these childrens. You admit to enjoy them, even though sometimes you might get overboard, but that only means you will do it differently next time. You will only discipline the bad childrens who annoys you, including those who didn't look like children.
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Great interlude, really liked the showing of the other villains and damn it was surprising that the KND moon-base remnants weren't mind-controlled. Still, with us in the moon-base and surrounded by KND remnants, this feels like the perfect place for the reappearance of our troublesome nephew.
On the current vote, well, no great option there. So I would go for something like:
[ ] I don't hate children, I hate most children.
You see HANK, it's not that I hate children per se, it's that I hate loud, rowdy, DISOBEYING CHILDREN that meddle into my business and THROW SPACE HABITATS INTO MY LOVELY HOME! You ever had a gigantic tree house dropped into you from orbit? It's VERY annoying.
As such, since their parents APPARENTLY can't reel them in, it is only expected that, as a PROPER adult with WORLD BREAKING fire-powers, I teach those DAMN kids how to be PRODUCTIVE members of society.
So you see, Hank and the MENAGERIE OF FOOLS that calls themselves villains watching this, the reason I do what I do and why I AM a villain despite being morally correct, is that I, like any proper dictator, IMPOSE MY ORDERS UPON ANY OPPONENT! Be it the villains that I gathered to destroy the K.N.D, the rowdy kids themselves, the IDIOTIC SPACE STONES that think they can take over my yard or the UPJUMPED ZOO ATTRACTIONS that believe they can teach me, ME, how to be a proper villain.
*And if Hank questions how we can just impose our view upon others and demand they follow our orders. We say we are just keeping an orderly society going, and that we didn't know he believed in such freedom from duty and order like a damn hippie. That should convince the hippie hating Hank.*
On the current vote, well, no great option there. So I would go for something like:
[ ] I don't hate children, I hate most children.
You see HANK, it's not that I hate children per se, it's that I hate loud, rowdy, DISOBEYING CHILDREN that meddle into my business and THROW SPACE HABITATS INTO MY LOVELY HOME! You ever had a gigantic tree house dropped into you from orbit? It's VERY annoying.
As such, since their parents APPARENTLY can't reel them in, it is only expected that, as a PROPER adult with WORLD BREAKING fire-powers, I teach those DAMN kids how to be PRODUCTIVE members of society.
So you see, Hank and the MENAGERIE OF FOOLS that calls themselves villains watching this, the reason I do what I do and why I AM a villain despite being morally correct, is that I, like any proper dictator, IMPOSE MY ORDERS UPON ANY OPPONENT! Be it the villains that I gathered to destroy the K.N.D, the rowdy kids themselves, the IDIOTIC SPACE STONES that think they can take over my yard or the UPJUMPED ZOO ATTRACTIONS that believe they can teach me, ME, how to be a proper villain.
*And if Hank questions how we can just impose our view upon others and demand they follow our orders. We say we are just keeping an orderly society going, and that we didn't know he believed in such freedom from duty and order like a damn hippie. That should convince the hippie hating Hank.*
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I am in full support of doubling down. We are not going to be able to keep Hank in the dark forever and it keeps us from looking weak in front of the other villians. But most importantly, everything Father is saying is true. Children are a menace, and the only good thing about them is they eventually turn into adults.
PranksterOliwar
Pranks Not Included
- Location
- Houston
So… I'll give a shot at a write in.
The way I see it, the best approach here might be to invoke Two Dialogues, One Conversation, at least with Hank; in other words, let Father word the truth in a way that he thinks is turning the situation around on everyone and using rhetoric to manipulate them to his side (in actuality projecting his own neuroses, probably), but word it in such a way that everyone (or at least Hank) either interprets it sympathetically or as something more "palatable" (an adult going to extreme measures to discipline unruly kids is probably more believable than a sadist attempting to murder them en mass).
It doesn't really address the Hero/Villain or working with the government talking points, but since this is specifically in relation to Hank's points, I wasn't sure it was relevant.
This'll be just a rough draft for now, but I'd appreciate any help adding or rewording it.
[ ] "Rationalize" It
So you were brought on here to be humiliated, eh? Well, no one does that to you! But getting angry is what Moltar wants, that much is clear. Maybe you can turn this around instead... you can use this! Yeah, pull a dark lord like in that one movie. You even had a fully operational space station that one time!
Why do you hate kids? The real question is, why don't you? Because they're family? Because they're cute? Because they're the "future"? Pfft. Yeah, a dark, stupid future that just continues all the problems of the world later, maybe.
You've known firsthand since you were a child. The simple fact is, kids embody everything that is wrong with people. They're selfish. They're fickle. They're petty, spitefully rebellious and have no principles. They lie, and cheat, and manipulate, not just their own parents, but even to each other! You can love and shelter them with all your heart, and they'll still either leave you or stomp it to dust!
The KND themselves were a cult of personality that turned kids into child soldiers and spread anarchy wherever they went, and justified it as "freeing kids from adult tyranny". And what exactly did they do with that "freedom"? At best, they just fool around and do nothing of value for the world; at worst, they rampage and commit atrocities adults could scarcely imagine!
For all people act shocked, or unimpressed at what you've done, a kid would have done even worse if they thought they could get so much as a rare Yipper card!
The funny thing is, even for those who claim not to hate kids don't really respect them from what you see. These naysayers thumb their noses at them, dismissing their potential and arrogantly sure of their own power over them, even as kids rise to power in their own right! Are the likes of Mandy and Mandark not proof of this? How many times have kids bided their time, playing the part of a dumb and innocent youth, only to backstab and toss to the curb anyone that stops being useful to them? Can you honestly say your own kid hasn't lied to you, Hank? Hasn't turned his back on what you believe in?
Yeah, they're "just" kids. And those kids have most adults wrapped around their fingers. If most people were in your place, those "kids" would have chewed them up and spit them out.
You do what you must against kids because most "adults" are too complacent! They don't understand the only way to keep kids under control is through fear and force! And because adults are fully developed and in control of themselves, you can easily just stop before things go to far. Why, it's not like you actually would have baked those kids into a cake if you succeeded! (Okay you would have, but they don't need to know that; if they're so squeamish, they're more likely to believe it anyway)
Point being, at the end of the day, you're promoting American values to an overlooked demographic sorely needing them! You're giving them direction, stability, morals! If people think that's a bad thing, then even if they don't hate kids, you guess they don't really care about kids at all anyway!
(Edit) Oh, and if Moltar or 362 think they can butt in again? Well, they wouldn't take issue surely? Why, it would be hypocritical since Moltar isn't exactly lawfully hiring them, is he now? (You don't want to push too hard there though, but even if you're not antagonizing Moltar, make it clear you can drag him down down with you if he forces your hand!) Serves em right for thinking they can pull one over you!
The way I see it, the best approach here might be to invoke Two Dialogues, One Conversation, at least with Hank; in other words, let Father word the truth in a way that he thinks is turning the situation around on everyone and using rhetoric to manipulate them to his side (in actuality projecting his own neuroses, probably), but word it in such a way that everyone (or at least Hank) either interprets it sympathetically or as something more "palatable" (an adult going to extreme measures to discipline unruly kids is probably more believable than a sadist attempting to murder them en mass).
It doesn't really address the Hero/Villain or working with the government talking points, but since this is specifically in relation to Hank's points, I wasn't sure it was relevant.
This'll be just a rough draft for now, but I'd appreciate any help adding or rewording it.
[ ] "Rationalize" It
So you were brought on here to be humiliated, eh? Well, no one does that to you! But getting angry is what Moltar wants, that much is clear. Maybe you can turn this around instead... you can use this! Yeah, pull a dark lord like in that one movie. You even had a fully operational space station that one time!
Why do you hate kids? The real question is, why don't you? Because they're family? Because they're cute? Because they're the "future"? Pfft. Yeah, a dark, stupid future that just continues all the problems of the world later, maybe.
You've known firsthand since you were a child. The simple fact is, kids embody everything that is wrong with people. They're selfish. They're fickle. They're petty, spitefully rebellious and have no principles. They lie, and cheat, and manipulate, not just their own parents, but even to each other! You can love and shelter them with all your heart, and they'll still either leave you or stomp it to dust!
The KND themselves were a cult of personality that turned kids into child soldiers and spread anarchy wherever they went, and justified it as "freeing kids from adult tyranny". And what exactly did they do with that "freedom"? At best, they just fool around and do nothing of value for the world; at worst, they rampage and commit atrocities adults could scarcely imagine!
For all people act shocked, or unimpressed at what you've done, a kid would have done even worse if they thought they could get so much as a rare Yipper card!
The funny thing is, even for those who claim not to hate kids don't really respect them from what you see. These naysayers thumb their noses at them, dismissing their potential and arrogantly sure of their own power over them, even as kids rise to power in their own right! Are the likes of Mandy and Mandark not proof of this? How many times have kids bided their time, playing the part of a dumb and innocent youth, only to backstab and toss to the curb anyone that stops being useful to them? Can you honestly say your own kid hasn't lied to you, Hank? Hasn't turned his back on what you believe in?
Yeah, they're "just" kids. And those kids have most adults wrapped around their fingers. If most people were in your place, those "kids" would have chewed them up and spit them out.
You do what you must against kids because most "adults" are too complacent! They don't understand the only way to keep kids under control is through fear and force! And because adults are fully developed and in control of themselves, you can easily just stop before things go to far. Why, it's not like you actually would have baked those kids into a cake if you succeeded! (Okay you would have, but they don't need to know that; if they're so squeamish, they're more likely to believe it anyway)
Point being, at the end of the day, you're promoting American values to an overlooked demographic sorely needing them! You're giving them direction, stability, morals! If people think that's a bad thing, then even if they don't hate kids, you guess they don't really care about kids at all anyway!
(Edit) Oh, and if Moltar or 362 think they can butt in again? Well, they wouldn't take issue surely? Why, it would be hypocritical since Moltar isn't exactly lawfully hiring them, is he now? (You don't want to push too hard there though, but even if you're not antagonizing Moltar, make it clear you can drag him down down with you if he forces your hand!) Serves em right for thinking they can pull one over you!
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Chronobreak
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The villains straight up don't matter in regards to our decision here.
This choice is for character development. It's not to address our reputation with fellow kings. Trying to weasel out of looking weak, or silly, is both missing the point and has already happened.
Disown is a weak response, rhetorically. For sure. He's practically being bullied into submission, of course. But the thing he's being bullied away from was absolutely insane.
We have bigger fish to fry then the KnD, more foes to throw down with. Maybe it won't bring immediate change, but disowning his actions will eviscerate his reputation as a villain even further. It will force him to at least publically give up his feud, focus his attention somewhere else, and undergo the slow, painful road of becoming a new man.
If we backslide, it can get ugly. Real ugly? If we stay dedicated to the course though?
The mask of a reformed soopervillain can become Father's true face.
This choice is for character development. It's not to address our reputation with fellow kings. Trying to weasel out of looking weak, or silly, is both missing the point and has already happened.
Disown is a weak response, rhetorically. For sure. He's practically being bullied into submission, of course. But the thing he's being bullied away from was absolutely insane.
We have bigger fish to fry then the KnD, more foes to throw down with. Maybe it won't bring immediate change, but disowning his actions will eviscerate his reputation as a villain even further. It will force him to at least publically give up his feud, focus his attention somewhere else, and undergo the slow, painful road of becoming a new man.
If we backslide, it can get ugly. Real ugly? If we stay dedicated to the course though?
The mask of a reformed soopervillain can become Father's true face.
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