Crystalwatcher's Magical Girl Quest!

justinkal · Oct 1, 2016

Highwind said:
Then allow me to distract you for a moment!

Can Nepgear and/or Team Gear get their own Overwhelming Presence ability? To say it'd be useful against Goddess Red would be an understatement and if fame and power factor in getting it, then they should be close enough to it by now, what with glassing an army of Class 3 demons and the three weeks old angel pushing back the revived Old Guard Magical Girl, plus all the bullshit they went through.

crystalwatcher said:
Nepgear can. It's a story-based unlock.

Something tells me that its tied to Wail of Madness/Conquest Route, because that's the only way I see Nepgear becoming intimidating enough for that. Her appearance and personality just doesn't lend itself well to intimidation.

I fully expect the Progenitor Frame to have Overwhelming Presence right from the start though, especially considering that Progenitor Golems are comparable to Class 10 demons.

Most intimidating thing I could see Nepgear doing without Progenitor Frame or Wail of Madness is to just leisurely walk straight through an army of demons with Core Purge and Segarite Core.

LostDeviljho · Oct 1, 2016

justinkal said:
Something tells me that its tied to Wail of Madness/Conquest Route, because that's the only way I see Nepgear becoming intimidating enough for that. Her appearance and personality just doesn't lend itself well to intimidation.

I mean, have you seen Nepgear when she's pissed?

Crystalwatcher · Oct 1, 2016

Highwind said:
Well, how many armies do we need to glass and how many survivors do we need to leave to spread the legends of Magical Girl Solid Core, The Indestructible Rain of Light, The Divine Bringer of Destruction, The Immovable Object With Huge Guns, Anastasia The Destructor, She Who Leaves Wastelands in Her Wake?

/人 ◕ ‿‿ ◕ 人\ [Spoilers!] /人 ◕ ‿‿ ◕ 人\

justinkal said:
Something tells me that its tied to Wail of Madness/Conquest Route, because that's the only way I see Nepgear becoming intimidating enough for that. Her appearance and personality just doesn't lend itself well to intimidation.

I fully expect the Progenitor Frame to have Overwhelming Presence right from the start though, especially considering that Progenitor Golems are comparable to Class 10 demons.

Most intimidating thing I could see Nepgear doing without Progenitor Frame or Wail of Madness is to just leisurely walk straight through an army of demons with Core Purge and Segarite Core.

LostDeviljho said:
I mean, have you seen Nepgear when she's pissed?

The RAGE! buff/debuff gives Nepgear 50% extra damage when attacking.

Serous · Oct 1, 2016

Our planet cracker is also a story unlock, right?

justinkal · Oct 1, 2016

LostDeviljho said:
I mean, have you seen Nepgear when she's pissed?

crystalwatcher said:
/人 ◕ ‿‿ ◕ 人\ [Spoilers!] /人 ◕ ‿‿ ◕ 人\

The RAGE! buff/debuff gives Nepgear 50% extra damage when attacking.

Yes, by Wail of Madness/Conquest Route I meant if she gets Wail of Madness and then goes permanent RAGE!

Honestly? The only Neptunia characters whom I feel Overwhelming Presence actually fits for are Iris Heart and Arfoire in Diety of Sin mode. Only other ones that are really at all believable are Nepgear if she fully snaps and just starts spamming Gehaburn everywhere and the evil version of Uzume.

LostDeviljho · Oct 1, 2016

Serous said:
Our planet cracker is also a story unlock, right?

Ummm... Sorta yes and sorta no?

ReaperofInterest · Oct 1, 2016

I have a question regarding Divine Being weapons, like the WEAPONs and the Maidens of the Apocalypse. What does increasing their levels and Affinities do? Because I'm seeing at least four Affinities backing both the WEAPONs and Maidens, but I have no idea what that accomplishes.

Crystalwatcher · Oct 1, 2016

ReaperofInterest said:
I have a question regarding Divine Being weapons, like the WEAPONs and the Maidens of the Apocalypse. What does increasing their levels and Affinities do? Because I'm seeing at least four Affinities backing both the WEAPONs and Maidens, but I have no idea what that accomplishes.

They completely replaced their original Affinities and upped their growth by three levels from the originals.

Crystalwatcher · Oct 1, 2016

The main reason the WEAPONs and Maidens are where they're at though is because they were already very powerful in their own right when they accepted the deal to serve their respective patrons.

justinkal · Oct 1, 2016

Are there versions of Overwhelming Presence that affect allies instead of enemies? To represent characters whose mere presence on the battlefield changes the way their allies fight?

Crystalwatcher · Oct 1, 2016

justinkal said:
Are there versions of Overwhelming Presence that affect allies instead of enemies? To represent characters whose mere presence on the battlefield changes the way their allies fight?

There are some, yes. But all of them also effect the enemy in some way.

LostDeviljho · Oct 1, 2016

justinkal said:
Are there versions of Overwhelming Presence that affect allies instead of enemies? To represent characters whose mere presence on the battlefield changes the way their allies fight?

Yes.

Crystalwatcher · Oct 1, 2016

Anyway, someone want to do a vote count?

Also, I'm accepting offers if anyone wants to do a bit of editing on the Data Mine since it's so horrifically out of date.

ReaperofInterest · Oct 1, 2016

crystalwatcher said:
Anyway, someone want to do a vote count?

Also, I'm accepting offers if anyone wants to do a bit of editing on the Data Mine since it's so horrifically out of date.

Should the vote count include the ones after the update, but before the mission selection menu?

LostDeviljho · Oct 1, 2016

from the last threadmark:

Vote Tally : Original - Crystalwatcher's Magical Girl Quest! | Page 476 | Sufficient Velocity
##### NetTally 1.7.4

[X] Plan Flying Battleship
-[X] Purchase Celestial Severance up to Level 15 (600xp)
-[X] Purchase Starshine up to Level 15 (600 + 600 = 1,200xp)
-[X] Purchase Flight up to Level 21 (1,200 + 1,350 = 2,550xp)
-[X] Purchase INDESTRUCTIBLE CORE up to Level 16 (2,550 + 750 = 3,300xp)
No. of Votes: 10

[X] The Victorious Dead (Operation: Soul Collector)
No. of Votes: 9

[X] The Pale Light of The Moon (Operation: Artemis)
No. of Votes: 3

[X] Plan Upgrade
-[X] Purchase INDESTRUCTIBLE CORE to level 16 (750 XP)
-[X] Purchase Celestial Severance to level 15 (600 XP)
-[X] Purchase Flight to level 15 (500 XP)
-[X] Spend XP on 1 Emissary of the Core (1000 XP)
No. of Votes: 2

[x] Plan Wait Until After Training and New Spells
-[x] Purchase INDESTRUCTIBLE CORE to level 16 (750 XP)
-[x] Spend XP on 1 Emissary of the Core (1000 XP)
No. of Votes: 1

[X] Return to Base
No. of Votes: 1

Total No. of Voters: 14

justinkal · Oct 1, 2016

Hey, umm, @crystalwatcher? Please explain this.

From the infodump on Overwhelming Presence.

crystalwatcher said:
In order to cancel out an Overwhelming Presence ability, the opponent must have an Overwhelming Presence of their own. Nothing else will do. Not even Ability-Negating powers.

Supreme Commander William "Pink" Snickerdoodle.

crystalwatcher said:
Human? Yeah Right
-Reduce physical damage by 55%. All opposing 'Overwhelming Presence' abilities are negated. All Allied 'Overwhelming Presence' abilities are doubled in effectiveness. Negate enemy synchronization bonuses. All synchronization bonuses for allied forces are tripled in effectiveness.

Commander Mason.

crystalwatcher said:
Veteran of Hope
-Commander Mason has seen the death of Hope, and the end of the Golden Age of Magical Girls. As such, he has been rendered a hard man in an unforgiving world. But even then, he remembers the Hero that saved them all. Commander Mason is immune to Overwhelming Presence. If present during a battle all opposing regenerative effects are reduced by 50% in effectiveness. When giving combat commands, his purely human soldiers gain 150% increased damage, 150% increased Resilience, and become immune to mind-altering effects such as fear or sleep. All Magical Girls under his command during battle gain the ability 'Cataclysmic Light' which allows them to fire off spells more than once per turn as well as synchronize spells that would otherwise be incompatible.

crystalwatcher said:
There are some, yes. But all of them also effect the enemy in some way.

Feels pretty lame for those to trump things like Grand Archangel Gabriel's Avatar of LIght.

Or do super abilities like the three I just mentioned count as forms of Overwhelming Presence?

Locos_Docos · Oct 1, 2016

Been on too long, so I'll just ask a couple questions, maybe wait for an answer, but then I'll get off and go watch Twitch on television via Roku box.

Q1. Sixth Heaven was ranked 7th the original Top 10. Where would her general ranking be by today's standards?

As to my second question, it concerns as a certain poster that Watcher was kind enough to look for:

crystalwatcher said:

Q2. This is still relevant, right? Like there's shit out there that's still several levels above Team GEAR's paygrade?

Crystalwatcher · Oct 1, 2016

justinkal said:
Feels pretty lame for those to trump things like Grand Archangel Gabriel's Avatar of LIght.

Or do super abilities like the three I just mentioned count as forms of Overwhelming Presence?

When a Super Ability specifically influences Overwhelming Presence abilities, they trump them.

Super Abilities are bullshit like that.

Locos_Docos said:
Q1. Sixth Heaven was ranked 7th the original Top 10. Where would her general ranking be by today's standards?

Closer to something like 14. The Current 12 would have been able to colossus-climb her and render her Demon King useless.

Limitless Horizon would have just blasted her.

Locos_Docos said:
Q2. This is still relevant, right? Like there's shit that's still several levels above Team GEAR's paygrade?

Yes. Just not a lot that's relevant.

justinkal · Oct 1, 2016

crystalwatcher said:
When a Super Ability specifically influences Overwhelming Presence abilities, they trump them.

Super Abilities are bullshit like that.

That really should be edited into the infodump on Overwhelming Presence.

Also, what about Super Abilities such as Avatar of Light, which affect the entire battlefield in a manner similar to Overwhelming Presence, but never mention Overwhelming Presence in their effect. Are those who possess such abilities immune to Overwhelming Presence?

LostDeviljho · Oct 1, 2016

crystalwatcher said:
Closer to something like 14. The Current 12 would have been able to colossus-climb her and render her Demon King useless.

Limitless Horizon would have just blasted her.

13. I don't think either of the Saints could take her. Maybe if they double teamed, but not solo.

Crystalwatcher · Oct 1, 2016

justinkal said:
Also, what about Super Abilities such as Avatar of Light, which affect the entire battlefield in a manner similar to Overwhelming Presence, but never mention Overwhelming Presence in their effect. Are those who possess such abilities immune to Overwhelming Presence?

No.

Locos_Docos · Oct 1, 2016

One final question just to be certain: There's a reason Riven's ~~on the team~~ a badass but has yet had the opportunity to show it. Is that correct?

LostDeviljho · Oct 1, 2016

Locos_Docos said:
One final question just to be certain: There's a reason Riven's ~~on the team~~ a badass but has yet had the opportunity to show it. Is that correct?

*hand wobble gesture*

justinkal · Oct 1, 2016

Locos_Docos said:
One final question just to be certain: There's a reason Riven's ~~on the team~~ a badass but has yet had the opportunity to show it. Is that correct?

Honestly, Lucky hasn't really had a chance to do anything either. We need her to do some Synchronize practice with the team, especially with Samael!

Gore17 · Oct 1, 2016

On the whole "is Emissary of the Core worth getting" issue, I'll note this:

crystalwatcher said:
Emmisaries of Light (Unaligned Front)

Crystalwatcher's Magical Girl Quest!

Flame Dragon Princess

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Flame Dragon Princess

Herald of Disaster

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(Verified GM)

(Verified GM)

Flame Dragon Princess

(Verified GM)

Herald of Disaster

Flame Dragon Princess

Eater of slightly aged toast

(Verified GM)

Flame Dragon Princess

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Eater of slightly aged toast

Flame Dragon Princess