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Changing Destiny (Kancolle)

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Spectre said:
she kind of did though. There was a least 1 squadron of SBD's fully fueled and armed in her hanger deck which were hit and caught fire. The other difference was that the fire prevention systems were much better on US carriers (Akagi's was knocked out by a near miss.)
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Yorktown's radar was able to give the ship ample warning of an incoming attack, and were thus able to either get planes aloft or get them secured. In fact, most of the prepped SBD's were immediately ordered aloft by the captain, and only a handful (I think it might even be only one) fully loaded SBD was in the hangar. Additionally, fueling equipment, extra ordnance, and extra equipment would have been stowed as the carrier braced for combat.

That's a very different proposition from what amounted fully loaded deck spot (which for the Japanese carriers at Midway was anywhere from 25-35 planes per carrier) and the recently recovered, battle-damaged planes from the strike on Midway.
 
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Firefinder12-B said:
A a torpedo hit that doesn't break the blister also doesn't goes through the ship and knock the bus bars out of alignment. But that is what happened to the Saratoga.

Shockwaves are a MAJOR problem with ships in battle. Add in brittle or just a bad pipe? Shits going to break.
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Rechecked my sources, no indication of near miss no 1. doing anything to Akagi beyond damage to a radar mast. Even posted relevant passage earlier.

If you wanna claim something about what happened to Akagi feel free to ante up source(s).
 
Firefinder12-B said:
It is worth mentioning that the Japanese planes wings couldn't fold in any useful amount. You could store three Hellcats in the same space that two Zeros took up.
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Actually, in the early war period, Japanese planes often had (partial) folding on their wings, while US planes did not.


You're probably thinking of the Val, which had wingtips that folded so it could fit in the elevator, not really to save much on storage.

It was the invention of the Paperclip style folding wing for the F4f-4 that was the game changes for US planes, allowing much more efficient folding wings. Instead of folding up and in (as above), the wings pivot so then can be folded against the fuselage lengthwise.

This was the innovation that gave late war US carries better stowage efficiency.
 
theJMPer said:
you're both wrong. Look at that notch just ahead of the tail wheel. That's an Avenger for sure.
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Yup. Only Grumman used this method of folding wings. Curtis, who designed the Helldiver, did not use it. If you see folding wings like that, it's a Grumman product.

Deidryt said:
That's a very different proposition from what amounted fully loaded deck spot
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Can you already call it a deck spot though? They might have become so in the future, but at that point they were still in the hangar.
 
Gosu said:
Can you already call it a deck spot though? They might have become so in the future, but at that point they were still in the hangar.
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You're right... I was debating about how to describe it. Basically, they had a strike fully loaded and ready to go, but they hadn't yet spotted it. I was trying to find some way to describing it as a "deckload" worth of strike aircraft.
 
Guys, it's clearly an Avenger. How do I know?

Because it looks exactly like how they were described to the carrier pilots at Midway (so they wouldn't shoot down the Marine ones that got the TBF's first combat experience in that battle): "It looks like a pregnant F4F."
 
Chloe Sullivan said:
IIRC they managed to build just one carrier in all of 1942-43 and that was Taiho (was it really a whole new class? I just figured it for being like Shoukaku). With that speed, i kinda figure Unryu was the right choice.

Then again, without Midway, maybe they would have.

Wouldn't help them against 10+ Essex that the US would have churned out
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Taiho was indeed a new class, with an armored flight deck, enclosed hurricane bow, vertical funnel, and 100mm guns replacing the 5" guns, among other things.
 
"Wildcats got out of the hangar again. Found a couple on the Avenger one."

"... how bad it is?"

"At least four new bear cubs."

"... we'll need a bigger hangar, then. *Sigh* There goes the budget..."
 
speaking of damage control... whats the chances the Ark Royal gets a captain who isn't such a dumbass he would have raised the navy's collective IQ by actually going down with the ship.
 
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