Changing Destiny (Kancolle)
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Spectre
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not really, Hitler sent Guderian instead and on Discord we're doing our best to convince Sky keep O'Connor in charge of British forces rather than Mountain Monty.
Biggest change would be sending Sir Alan Brooke instead of....was it Alexander or Auchinleck? Either way, Churchill offered Brooke command but he felt, tempted as he was to take the combat command, that he was better serving his nation by advising Churchill and refused, offering one of the two mentioned as an alternative.
Big, BIG changes in the British war effort without him curbing Churchill's schemes.
Big, BIG changes in the British war effort without him curbing Churchill's schemes.
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So far I was keeping the North Africa bit pretty much OTL with the exceptions of Guderian being sent and Balbo surviving on the Italian side. I'm still writing part two, which has Auchinleck replacing Wavell as per OTL. The other exception is that Guderian is not besieging Tobruk, just throwing pot shot annoyance barrages at it, trying to get Wavell to play "Chase the Sioux". Wavell has resisted the offer, so Churchill gets impatient and demands offensive action.
So is the Discord text based? And where do I find it if it is? Crappy laptop has crappy microphone so I'm hoping it's text.
So is the Discord text based? And where do I find it if it is? Crappy laptop has crappy microphone so I'm hoping it's text.
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O´Connor in the helm would be a game changer not only for Africa but the entire war, his capture by the germans and the subsequent loss of seniority and advancement that would hit him even after his escape from a POW camp was one of the more serious hits to that the british suffered regarding fighting generals.
A great video has been posted on youtube by the Smithsonian.
The video tells the story of the attack on Pearl Harbor entirely through news reports, public statements, recently declassified documents, and footage recorded in the days before, during, and after the event. Personally, I think the video really conveys how the American people in 1941 were feeling about the Second World War.
The video tells the story of the attack on Pearl Harbor entirely through news reports, public statements, recently declassified documents, and footage recorded in the days before, during, and after the event. Personally, I think the video really conveys how the American people in 1941 were feeling about the Second World War.
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While I was thinking about the main story to this point, Schreiber's actions in the Atlantic will result in some butterflies for the Pacific during 1942. Consider the following.
Bismark, Prinz Eugen, and possibly Blucher are now based out of France's Atlantic coast (Brest, La Rochelle, St. Nazaire, etc.) In addition the RN has to hold the GIUK gap to prevent Scharnhorst and possibly eventually Tirpitz from joining them. This means that they have to have heavy screening forces on convoys to prevent another raid by Bismark against either transatlantic convoys or alternately convoys passing toward Gibraltar. However, since the French ports are centrally located compared to the UK and Gibraltar, the forces Home Fleet and Force H (Gibraltar) have available must be able to deter Bismark if she sorties again.
In addition, they are down one additional R-Class battleship from OTL (the one Biscuit ripped up), and right now they have very few ships that can handle Bismark with confidence 1V1 (basically KGVs and the NelRods). This means that the Brits will need some commitment of USN capital ships to backstop them (either the NorCals or SoDaks would work as a Bismark-deterrent, the Colorados are a bit iffy because of speed). While carriers would be effective in this role, of course, the USN fleet carriers will be desperately needed in the Pacific to counter the Kido Butai (and to make good any losses once the IJN and USN start their death grapple in the Central/South Pacific).
What this means is that at most the Atlantic will get Wasp and Ranger (as in OTL) plus some CVEs like Long Island and whatever is in the process of working up like Hornet and the Essexes that get built on the East Coast (before those CVs head to the Pacific to pound the IJN). This also means that until/unless Bismark is neutralized, the USN has to take into account that the Atlantic will need a substantial potential investment of USN capital ships over that demanded IOTL. Things like keeping a NorCal or SoDak to keep Bismark from running wild again will necessarily weaken USN capital ship numbers in the Pacific for the first part of the war. This could have potential knock-on effects for the naval battles in the Solomons in 1942 (such as having South Dakota or Washington tied down in the Atlantic keeping an eye on Bismark).
Needless to say by mid-1943, this problem solves itself with the USN new-build/war construction coming on line in enough quantity to spare a few CVs and BBs to control the Atlantic from any threat posed by the Kriegsmarine/Regia Marina. Also the repairs of Ari and her relatives from the damage of Pearl Harbor will enable the USN to spare battleships for European theater convoy coverage duties/shore bombardment similar to Nevada IOTL.
Also note this is discounting RN ships for two reasons. First, 1941-42 was a very low point for RN capital ship strength thanks to the demands of the Far Eastern Fleet/Force Z, the frogman attack on Alexandria (which may or may not have been butterflied), and other possibly changed events such as Glorious surviving and a different Taranto changing the outcome of Med battles. Therefore I do not know what their strength is, but it's likely that Churchill will ask for some USN reinforcement of key positions in the Atlantic since the Brits were in a tricky naval strategic situation during 1942 IOTL.
Bismark, Prinz Eugen, and possibly Blucher are now based out of France's Atlantic coast (Brest, La Rochelle, St. Nazaire, etc.) In addition the RN has to hold the GIUK gap to prevent Scharnhorst and possibly eventually Tirpitz from joining them. This means that they have to have heavy screening forces on convoys to prevent another raid by Bismark against either transatlantic convoys or alternately convoys passing toward Gibraltar. However, since the French ports are centrally located compared to the UK and Gibraltar, the forces Home Fleet and Force H (Gibraltar) have available must be able to deter Bismark if she sorties again.
In addition, they are down one additional R-Class battleship from OTL (the one Biscuit ripped up), and right now they have very few ships that can handle Bismark with confidence 1V1 (basically KGVs and the NelRods). This means that the Brits will need some commitment of USN capital ships to backstop them (either the NorCals or SoDaks would work as a Bismark-deterrent, the Colorados are a bit iffy because of speed). While carriers would be effective in this role, of course, the USN fleet carriers will be desperately needed in the Pacific to counter the Kido Butai (and to make good any losses once the IJN and USN start their death grapple in the Central/South Pacific).
What this means is that at most the Atlantic will get Wasp and Ranger (as in OTL) plus some CVEs like Long Island and whatever is in the process of working up like Hornet and the Essexes that get built on the East Coast (before those CVs head to the Pacific to pound the IJN). This also means that until/unless Bismark is neutralized, the USN has to take into account that the Atlantic will need a substantial potential investment of USN capital ships over that demanded IOTL. Things like keeping a NorCal or SoDak to keep Bismark from running wild again will necessarily weaken USN capital ship numbers in the Pacific for the first part of the war. This could have potential knock-on effects for the naval battles in the Solomons in 1942 (such as having South Dakota or Washington tied down in the Atlantic keeping an eye on Bismark).
Needless to say by mid-1943, this problem solves itself with the USN new-build/war construction coming on line in enough quantity to spare a few CVs and BBs to control the Atlantic from any threat posed by the Kriegsmarine/Regia Marina. Also the repairs of Ari and her relatives from the damage of Pearl Harbor will enable the USN to spare battleships for European theater convoy coverage duties/shore bombardment similar to Nevada IOTL.
Also note this is discounting RN ships for two reasons. First, 1941-42 was a very low point for RN capital ship strength thanks to the demands of the Far Eastern Fleet/Force Z, the frogman attack on Alexandria (which may or may not have been butterflied), and other possibly changed events such as Glorious surviving and a different Taranto changing the outcome of Med battles. Therefore I do not know what their strength is, but it's likely that Churchill will ask for some USN reinforcement of key positions in the Atlantic since the Brits were in a tricky naval strategic situation during 1942 IOTL.
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Spectre
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Its highly doubtful they haven't pulled back to the Baltic unless the Brits have gone full idiot ball given what happened OTL. The Atlantic ports aren't safe for Bismarck given the proximity to English bombers , a point the Brits made clear in OTL by placing on near permanent dry dock duty with a two month long bombing campaign that ultimately forced the channel dash.
Edit: and that before we take into account the fact that Kings likely to downplay the threat and try to get the FBB's over to the Pacific ASAP or that Thompson would likely replace Gromley as commander of the Guadalcanal invasion radically changing that battle.
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CV12Hornet
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The Discord is text-based; if you have the app on your laptop, PM Sky for the access code.
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Seeing this name makes me think it's a lot more uncivil than here.
I mean why else would you name your thing synonymous to Disharmony (as in Endless Space: Disharmony)?
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You can post images directly into chat, which makes it much easier to bully the sky.
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Because that's what playing video games with your buddies on VOIP sounds like: Discord.
Seriously, it's what the app was made for: Better voice chat for gamers.
Skywalker_T-65
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The bullying will never cease. At least, not until we succeed in hooking you up with Sara.
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Well the thing is the last time we saw Schreiber was right after Barbarossa and he was explicitly in a French port. While the French ports are risky, there are benefits to knowing that Bomber Command will try to hit this area, namely you can orient your defenses to make it hard on them by things like stationing a few Bf-109 KG to provide air superiority over whatever port Biscuit's parked in, doing the same with some BF-110 nightfighter Gruppen, and beefing up the Flak. Since Schreiber knows how dangerous airplanes are to warships and would be in good favor with Hitler and the Kriegsmarine HQ, he could probably request that to protect his girls until their next sortie. Pick the right port and you could make escorting the bomber strikes tricky this early on.
There's only ONE Atlantic port with a dock big enough for Bismarck/Tirpitz - St Nazaire. The Raid on St Nazaire to cripple it so Tirpitz couldn't use it as a home port is still called the greatest raid of all time.
With only one port to call home, Bismarck is not as free to operate as she might otherwise be. One port is much easier to watch than multiple ports.
With only one port to call home, Bismarck is not as free to operate as she might otherwise be. One port is much easier to watch than multiple ports.
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So, Operation Chariot is on schedule, right?
Burning Baron
This position needs more entrenching.
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I mean, at this point, if the Brits still put Chariot in action, the entirety of Nazi occupied Europe will hear them coming from their giant balls of steel clanging together. Because if Bismarck made it, then there will be other, bigger ships than the Cambeltown in Nazaire. Of course, the OTL raid was just as ballsy.
Spectre
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1. The Germans had plenty of fighters in the area and still couldn't stop the bombers.
2. You seriously overestimate Schiebers pull if you think he can get Goering to do what he wants. We're talking about a man who convinced Hitler to ignore the Generals in the actual AO at Stalingrad and support him in a plan he knew would fail. A man who managed maintain a iron grip not only on all Flak units and paratroopers, but a dozen infantry divisions created solely to spit the heer until after D-day. Schrieber being Hitler's golden boy of the month amounts to nothing against him.
Edit: also the last scene with Schieber took place in July-august 41 The bombing campaign didn't pick up until September 41 and the dash didn't happen until Feb 42.
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The17thImmortal
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It is pictures of the beautiful Sara, YES bully the Sky.
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