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Changing Destiny (Kancolle)

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DawnofWar32 said:
This may be a bit off-topic, but I would like to see the reactions of Col. Fertig and his men when USS Narwhal arrives to deliver supplies to them in Japanese-occupied Philippines in 1943, and for Narwhal and her crews' reaction to being met with a uniformed band playing "Stars and Stripes Forever", if the above scenario happens like in OTL.
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Fertig? As in Mindanao? Established radio stations all over Mindanao? The one who gave himself the rank Colonel when in fact he was a lower ranked guy at first?
 
FlyingScanian said:
Mate. She's somewhere between 1,65 meters tall and 270 meters long, with a weight (pleasedon'thitmeSara,I'mmakingapoint) eyeballed as somewhere between 55 kg and 43 thousand tons, and is the embodyment spirit of a ship (and/or the several thousands who built and served on her). A bit of anatomial improbability is nothing compared to that ;)
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Sorry, but according to legend, a woman's upper arms are as soft as her breasts.

Sara should be strongly built enough for the additional fat padding needed for that to be true to make her arms at least 15% thicker than shown, mostly because her boobs are just so huge that you'd need quite a bit of fat.

/totally straight-faced :p
 
Guardian54 said:
Sara should be strongly built enough for the additional fat padding needed for that to be true to make her arms at least 15% thicker than shown, mostly because her boobs are just so huge that you'd need quite a bit of fat.
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Sorry, but... *blinks* did you just call Sara fat?

(Sorry, my brain goes sily places when I have a headache)
 
Guardian54 said:
Sorry, but according to legend, a woman's upper arms are as soft as her breasts.

Sara should be strongly built enough for the additional fat padding needed for that to be true to make her arms at least 15% thicker than shown, mostly because her boobs are just so huge that you'd need quite a bit of fat.
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Well, by applying some boolean logic, that means that if A->B or

If Sara's upper arms are rock hard, but her breasts are soft, the statement can still be true.

If neither parts are soft, the statement is still true

Conversely
The only time that the statement would not be true is that her upper arms are soft, but her chest is rock hard... huh, the logic works out.

Therefore we can have our busty shipgirls and let them have muscles.... snrk...
 
kilopi505 said:
Fertig? As in Mindanao? Established radio stations all over Mindanao? The one who gave himself the rank Colonel when in fact he was a lower ranked guy at first?
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Uh, not to burst your bubble, but Wendell Fertig was promoted twice — the first one as a Lt. Colonel and the other, into full Colonel — and made Commanding Officer of the 10th Military District in Mindanao by General MacArthur and his staff by 1943. Also, maybe you meant to say that he self-promoted as Brigadier General, not Colonel, and he had to do that so that he can organize a resistance movement against the Japanese that are present in Mindanao, and that he would be taken seriously by potential recruits and leaders of other existing guerilla bands at the time.

I might be wrong though, since I am using Wikipedia on this one, so please feel free to correct me if that's the case.
 
... holy shit. :o @DawnofWar32, thank you for raising that name and prompting me to read his Wikipedia article. If even half of it's accurate, that man has to be one of the most effective commanders of irregular forces in recent history!
 
Trace Coburn said:
... holy shit. :o @DawnofWar32, thank you for raising that name and prompting me to read his Wikipedia article. If even half of it's accurate, that man has to be one of the most effective commanders of irregular forces in recent history!
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Yes, yes he is. Also, he is widely respected here in Mindanao, which is a diverse island populated by Christian and Muslim Filipinos. I should know, not just because I am currently living in Mindanao, but also because one of my grandfathers from my mother's side was one of the guerilla leaders under Col. Fertig during World War 2.

Also, he is considered as one of the founding fathers of the US Army Special Forces, and that some scholars have questioned why he did not receive a MoH for his achievements.

EDIT: Link to said Wikipedia article about Col. Wendell Fertig here.
 
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DawnofWar32 said:
Yes, yes he is. Also, he is widely respected here in Mindanao, which is a diverse island populated by Christian and Muslim Filipinos. I should know, not just because I am currently living in Mindanao, but also because one of my grandfathers from my mother's side was one of the guerilla leaders under Col. Fertig during World War 2.

Also, he is considered as one of the founding fathers of the US Army Special Forces, and that some scholars have questioned why he did not receive a MoH for his achievements.
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probably because some politician had his panties in a bunch and didnt like the guy.
 
BigBadBen said:
probably because some politician had his panties in a bunch and didnt like the guy.
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He didn't get along with MacArthur. Given how much of a political animal he was he probably had a hand in it. Though to be fair he did also give himself a promotion. (For understandable reasons, but I can see why others would be annoyed with it).
 
Right, which is why I think its odd that once the treaty limits came off with the start of the war and the passing of the Act, that no one thought it was worth it to take Wasp in hand for the 3 months or so it would take to at least partially fix the problem. It would've been a whole lot faster to do than building a whole new carrier from scratch after all.
 
Tabasco said:
Right, which is why I think its odd that once the treaty limits came off with the start of the war and the passing of the Act, that no one thought it was worth it to take Wasp in hand for the 3 months or so it would take to at least partially fix the problem. It would've been a whole lot faster to do than building a whole new carrier from scratch after all.
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Because the Navy preferred building new carriers to a (much) better design with their money to using it to fix a fundamentally flawed design.
 
Tabasco said:
Right, which is why I think its odd that once the treaty limits came off with the start of the war and the passing of the Act, that no one thought it was worth it to take Wasp in hand for the 3 months or so it would take to at least partially fix the problem. It would've been a whole lot faster to do than building a whole new carrier from scratch after all.
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Part of the problem was that we were running out of Carriers in the Pacific, at least OTL. By the time that USS Wasp was sunk by I-19, we had already lost Lexington and Yorktown thus we were down to only three Aircraft Carriers, the Saratoga, Hornet, and Enterprise. While the Japanese had to our knoweldge two Fleet Carriers Shoukaku and Zuikaku plus a number of Light Carriers, as it stands the two Fleet Carriers that Japan had left, well they could carry far more aircraft than Saratoga could and combined with the light carriers they could equal tons of trouble for the two remaining Yorktown sisters. So we needed the decks badly.
 
PAGDTenno said:
Because the Navy preferred building new carriers to a (much) better design with their money to using it to fix a fundamentally flawed design.
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Exactly this. Pre-Pearl, refitting Wasp was way down on the Navy's list of priorities behind getting the new construction funded and refitting other ships (and remember that the carrier vs. battleship primacy arguments were still unsettled). Post-Pearl, the other carriers were needed in the Pacific, which left Wasp and Ranger to support the Royal Navy in the Atlantic and Med for things like Malta convoys and also cover the holes where the RN needed capital ships. Then the losses in the Pacific eventually forced Wasp to get sent there because of the loss of Yorktown and Lexington, and the damage to Saratoga and Enterprise after Eastern Solomons.
 
All this talk of Wasp always reminds me of the scene from Zipang where JMSDF Mirai sucessfully defends against the air wing of Wasp, and then proceeds to sink her with a single Tomahwak.



This clip contains said battle from strictly a USN point of view. All the Mirai CIC scenes have been removed. Sorry about the Spanish subtitles.

And before someone starts shouting bullshit or something, let me remind you that most of Mirai systems are US-licensed. She's an AEGIS frigate, with 2000s USN technology. Of course she curbstomps a WW2 era carrier silly. There is no MSSB to level the playing field.

Political agendas aside (don't get me started on that; Zipang is blatantly apologetic towards Japan's actions in WW2), the battle is awesome to watch.
 
I'm still calling bullshit. Wasp would have had a CAP up that could have made an attempt at intercepting the Tomahawk, her escorts and organic AA could still have made life very difficult for it (if nothing else, using the "wall of flak" method), there's no way that a 15,000-ton ship is going to suffer that level of catastrophic destruction from a single Tomahawk hit, and, oh yes, we never licensed the TASM anti-ship version of Tomahawk to Japan (because even we dropped it due to issues of "howinhell do you target it without sacrificing all that range it has?").
 
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