Yes. But what happened? I already read the chapter.
Changing Destiny (Kancolle)
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Tiypo
Forever Phone Posting
Excellent chapter like always.
While I don't know what's going on, if it's something like office politics then I know that the word unpleasant can be a huge understatement. I wish you the best of luck and really hope that things work out for the better.
He may not be comfortable with sharing outside of the Discord group, a fair amount of people like to keep problems off of the internet. That we're even being told is a tremendous courtesy to us readers.
LGear
Secret Society BLANKET
I don't think Tanaka's nationalism is extreme though: just the fact that he added in foreign ships, including the Allies into the game speaks volumes, and also he apparently created the entirety of the Fall 2016 event around Saratoga since he liked the ship. I think that the level of nationalism Kancolle displays is really no more than you can normally expect from a Japanese game created by Japanese developers with Japanese knowledge and bias.
The doujin "The Things Which The Girl Saw" tells the story from Ikazuchi's perspective, which is how I learned about the incident in the first place.
Considering that the battles in Kantai Collection are based off actual world war 2 naval battles and the unpleasant implication that the abyssals are based off the United States, I would say that there is a uncomfortable bias on part of the Japanese developers at the very least. I like Kantai Collection but it was made by Japanese developers with a different view of world war 2.
Hair and eye color?
I thought Halsey and E are somewhere else at this time?For some reason I can't help but think of orcs.
Burning Baron
This position needs more entrenching.
- Location
- In here, not out there.
Actually, even early on, they were based on just a mishmash of ships. Especially when the Re-class was introduced. Aviation battleship, even more so than the Ise. The closest the got to Allied units was the bosses. Northern Ocean Princess, or Hoppo, is based on the Habbakuk aircraft carrier the Brits and Canucks designed.
LGear
Secret Society BLANKET
Not always though, and many times Kancolle also does "fantasy" battles based either on planned operations that never took place, or purely fictional.
Not as much as you might think though. For instance, the Abyssals from the very start had ships designated as Torpedo Cruisers, which the Allies never used, let alone the US. Also, game Events from the past few years have been showing Abyssals having obviously Japanese ships in its roster, along with the not-subtle implications that the ships you pick up being the "purified" form of the Abyssals you just defeated.
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- Mountains of Appalachia
Second this. Prayers and support sent, and do what you need to Sky.
Same here, actually. It is a very tragic story.
Hair I'll give you, the eyes...well green eyes are not exactly totally unknown among certain ethnicities in Europe. Which would be a big black mark against ZuiZui if she was perceived to be not ethnically 100% Japanese in 1941. This also assumes that her officers can be shown her versus assuming Tanaka went mad and is seeing things that aren't there.
In OTL Halsey and E were ferrying aircraft to various outposts like Wake and Midway at the time of Pearl Harbor (Enterprise arrived the evening of the 7th from a ferry mission to Wake). Apparently this is the case with E either just departed or about to return, and sent after the Kido Butai unsuccessfully.
Right now, here's where the US carriers are, going off rough OTL deployments from 7 December 1941: Saratoga-Coming out of refit in Bremerton and getting air group reembarked. Lexington-Enroute to Midway with dive bomber squadron for the garrison. Enterprise-Returning from delivery of fighters to Wake Island, arrives in Pearl shortly after the attack. Yorktown-Assigned Atlantic Fleet, docked in Norfolk between Neutrality Patrols. Ranger-Returning to Norfolk from Neutrality Patrols. Wasp-On Neutrality Patrols, in port at Bermuda on December 7th. Hornet-Just commissioned, working up crew and air group out of Norfolk. Long Island (CVE)- At Norfolk performing operational testing and evaluation of the escort carrier concept.
The first countermove for the US Navy is going to be to assemble the Pacific Fleet Carriers (Enterprise, Saratoga, Lexington), to transfer the fleet carriers from the Atlantic to the Pacific (Hornet, Yorktown, and then eventually Wasp), and to put in orders for a massive fleet expansion by laying down multiple new carriers to be built in 1942 and see service in 1943.
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- San Diego
well, this would also mean the IOWA class gets a boost in production as well, so we might get all six of the class as imagined, and even potentially the Montana class. Until Pearl Harbor, it was the Battleship that ruled the waves. She was the Ocean Queen of her day. ALso need more Cruisers, mine sweepers, destroyers, and resupply ships. so many ships need to be built, not to mention rearming and refitting many of the damaged vessels in pearl.
It was described that her eyes are grey here in chapter 41 and I thought only old people have that. Once everything goes out hair color is very much the biggest indicator.
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- Pacific NW
Here's the thing though, the Montanas are not getting built, that construction slip space is needed for carriers. Even in the OTL, the Iowas came into service so late their only real use was as flagships and AA barges, and even then the North Carolinas and South Dakotas could do that just fine. The only reason the Iowas were completed was the Navy wanted fast battleships that could keep pace with a flank speed Essex. However, most of the time, the task forces never went faster than 26-27 knots, which the North Carolinas and South Dakotas were perfectly capable of maintaining. So really, the Iowas were unnecessary themselves.
Who's that sub that Enterprise sank on Dec. 7 or 8?
SaltyWaffles
I am dissapoint, son
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I'm pretty sure that Saratoga didn't have Wildcats at this point in time, but instead Brewster Buffalos.
Also, never use apostrophes to indicate plurals. So "P-40's" should be "P-40s".
Anyway, one way he could comfort her is that friendly fire has been a hazard since the dawn of war, and is very much going to be a constant worry for many in the military. Hell, historically, several American aircraft were shot down/badly damaged by friendly fire following the attack on Pearl Harbor due to paranoid AA gunners. She's far from the first soldier to accidentally kill friendlies by accident, and she won't be the last. What's important is to not shut down and give up due to it--because then it really will have been for nothing.
Also, never use apostrophes to indicate plurals. So "P-40's" should be "P-40s".
Anyway, one way he could comfort her is that friendly fire has been a hazard since the dawn of war, and is very much going to be a constant worry for many in the military. Hell, historically, several American aircraft were shot down/badly damaged by friendly fire following the attack on Pearl Harbor due to paranoid AA gunners. She's far from the first soldier to accidentally kill friendlies by accident, and she won't be the last. What's important is to not shut down and give up due to it--because then it really will have been for nothing.
- Location
- Barcelona, Catalunya, EU (for now)
For short term, I'd say yes. But, when the carrier as a standalone combat plaform proves itself, those orders will be rescinded. My guess would be no Montanas, and possibly a shortening of the order for Iowas down to three, with Thompson politicking his way to obtain the fourth, and gaining support from the Battleship Admirals in doing so.
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- Barcelona, Catalunya, EU (for now)
I was prancing around Youtube and found this:
While it's a supersimplification, it gives a decent sense of proportion of the curbstomping the Japanese got...
While it's a supersimplification, it gives a decent sense of proportion of the curbstomping the Japanese got...
Sir_Gaea
More Stories Please
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- The Region
Well that would be interesting if some of the Japanese ship-girls were, ostracized? Hated? by the IJN if they didn't have the proper Japanese appearance.
That said, will the Japanese reason away the Ship-girls of their ships as Kamis or are they going to subtly attempt to demand that the Ship-girls leave the fighting to the men and that they should take up husbands to breed more proper Japanese.
That said, will the Japanese reason away the Ship-girls of their ships as Kamis or are they going to subtly attempt to demand that the Ship-girls leave the fighting to the men and that they should take up husbands to breed more proper Japanese.
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- Central Standard Time
Also, I'd like to note that in terms of pure industry, An Act to establish the composition of the United States Navy, to authorize the construction of certain naval vessels, and for other purposes, aka the Two-Ocean Navy act, was signed in 1940.
According to Wikipedia, the certain naval vessels include:
- 18 Aircraft Carriers
- 2 Iowas
- 5 Montanas
- 6 Alaskas
- 27 Cruisers
- 115 Destroyers
- 43 Submarines
- 15,000 Aircraft
- Auxiliary ships
- Patrol, Escort, and Other vessels
The act itself is just over one page, takes up less than 2000 words, and was passed in less than a month.
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- North Carolina
Ouch, that was painful.
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- Central Standard Time
Highlights from the NYT article used as a source:
Also, an amusing thought brought up in Holding the Line.
- 316-0 Vote in the House, with < 1 hour of debate
- "NAVY TO OUTGUN WORLD"
Also, an amusing thought brought up in Holding the Line.
- Location
- Canada
Good luck, Sky.
He's not a fanatic, but he's still unsubtle. Coincidentally, 90+% of WWII IJA troops weren't fanatics either. They were also extremely unsubtle in the effects of their cultural upbringing of arrogant superiority and all others existing to serve them.
And that's why basically all of East Asia bloody LOATHES Japan to this day.
"Japanese knowledge and bias"... so "ignorance is bliss". they teach hardly anything about their war crimes. Even the Communist Chinese have been good enough to acknowledge the Cultural Revolution and Great Leap Forward as mistakes.
There are only a few Japanese ship-girls with proper Japanese appearances, as in black hair (not even going into eye colour or how Japanese women are on average much flatter than Agano, Takao, etc.). As depicted to date, we have:
Akagi, Katsuragi, Houshou, Shouhou, Hiyou, Taiyou, Mizuho, Nagato, Yamashiro, Fuso, Takao, Kako, Myoukou, Nachi, Haguro, Takao, Chikuma, Kitakami, Nagara, Sendai, Agano, Yahagi, Ooyodo, Mikazuki, Fubuki, Hatsuyuki, Isonami, Uranami, Ushio, Hatsushimo, Shigure, Asashio, Kuroshio, Oyashio, Isokaze, Tanikaze, Hayashimo, Akizuki, Hatsuzuki, Matsukaze, I-13, I-14, Hayasui, Akitsu Maru, Maru-yu
Even there some of the girls are borderline unacceptable in hair colour.
That's one fleet, two if you stretch it and epic fail on logistics and sustainable force.
While historical Japanese Bushido would accept them as kami of their ships, there's a reason I refer to post-1920s Japan as having "Bullshito", because that's how closely related they are. As far as I can tell, Japanese shipgirls have a chance of seeing use as shipboard comfort women... which means in the future, after shipgirls become independent of hulls, that any Japanese government talking revisionism can become an official euphemism for assisted mass suicide by shipgirl.
He's not a fanatic, but he's still unsubtle. Coincidentally, 90+% of WWII IJA troops weren't fanatics either. They were also extremely unsubtle in the effects of their cultural upbringing of arrogant superiority and all others existing to serve them.
And that's why basically all of East Asia bloody LOATHES Japan to this day.
"Japanese knowledge and bias"... so "ignorance is bliss". they teach hardly anything about their war crimes. Even the Communist Chinese have been good enough to acknowledge the Cultural Revolution and Great Leap Forward as mistakes.
There are only a few Japanese ship-girls with proper Japanese appearances, as in black hair (not even going into eye colour or how Japanese women are on average much flatter than Agano, Takao, etc.). As depicted to date, we have:
Akagi, Katsuragi, Houshou, Shouhou, Hiyou, Taiyou, Mizuho, Nagato, Yamashiro, Fuso, Takao, Kako, Myoukou, Nachi, Haguro, Takao, Chikuma, Kitakami, Nagara, Sendai, Agano, Yahagi, Ooyodo, Mikazuki, Fubuki, Hatsuyuki, Isonami, Uranami, Ushio, Hatsushimo, Shigure, Asashio, Kuroshio, Oyashio, Isokaze, Tanikaze, Hayashimo, Akizuki, Hatsuzuki, Matsukaze, I-13, I-14, Hayasui, Akitsu Maru, Maru-yu
Even there some of the girls are borderline unacceptable in hair colour.
That's one fleet, two if you stretch it and epic fail on logistics and sustainable force.
While historical Japanese Bushido would accept them as kami of their ships, there's a reason I refer to post-1920s Japan as having "Bullshito", because that's how closely related they are. As far as I can tell, Japanese shipgirls have a chance of seeing use as shipboard comfort women... which means in the future, after shipgirls become independent of hulls, that any Japanese government talking revisionism can become an official euphemism for assisted mass suicide by shipgirl.
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- Mountains of Appalachia
Probably Kamis, to be honest. Since State Shintoism was a thing in the 1920s and then 1930s and everyone on board the ships would have gotten a hefty dose of it in school as a mandatory class, having a bona fide spirit walking around the hull reinforces those teachings. Clearly Emperor Hirohito is a kami too who has asked his divine relatives to bless our arms with victory would be an easy line to throw out. Atago having blond hair and a massive chest just shows that she's some kind of relative to the Sun Goddess Amataseru-Omaikami. Nagato with the Imperial Chrysanthemum seal on her clothes (matching the one on her bow) shows that she's related to Hirohito, etc.
Now, this said, I could see some isolated problems with young men who have spent too much time without even seeing a girl...well seeing a girl, but even that probably won't be as much of a concern since it's not like you can force the girl to do anything that she does not want to, and she can avoid any Peeping Toms easily enough.
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- Canada
Or a super morale boost, in the form of "Well you all crawl around inside me all the time anyhow, so a little release is good as long as you do nothing dishonourable while ashore like raping women." *glares around to rapid head-shakes* "Good, now, it'll be a fair rotation system, men, so don't try to pull rank on each other, got it? Officers get enough additional privileges ashore anyhow with their better pay, but here we're all on the same boat... me."
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ijnfleetadmiral
CinC Rengo Kanmusutai
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- Admiral's Bridge, HIJMS Kongo
Historically, that would be the Type KD6-class I-70, one of the few pre-war subs that had virtually no surviving photographs until one was discovered in the Kure archives, showing her damaged after being rammed by sister ship I-69 (later I-169) in May 1941.