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Changing Destiny (Kancolle)

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Skywalker_T-65 said:
September, now.

But yes, that's why I specified:



It's also worth noting that any ships I write will have different characters from the typical. I subscribe to the view their characters are related to their experiences (such as Kongou going down with two Admirals aboard leading to being Teitoku-sexual). Which means that they will be different, having not experienced these things.
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Skywalker_T-65 said:
Well, like I said, Yorktown is the next big one to feature. Nothing stopping San Fran from being in the chapter after the next one.

Also: Old Iron? Now I've got a positively cracky snip in mind for dear old Pennsy. Will do that after I eat.
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Pensacola is eligible and might even have her CXAM radar that was installed during 1940 available as well!

EDIT: I mean, you're already covering one of my favorite ships, so why not another one that often saw herself assigned as an escort to carriers when she wasn't leading convoys.
 
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Skywalker_T-65 said:
In other news, in the event we had a hypothetical German Admiral his best bet would probably be working with this guy, if he actually wanted to change anything. Admiral and head of the Abwehr for at least some time? Who else would a time-traveling German Admiral work with?
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A German Admiral wouldn't work with Canaris. The Abwehr was heavily involved with Einsatzgruppen and there are no indications that Canaris was too appalled by that. Furthermore had he worked with the Nazis happily before Hitler went to WWII, after the end of WWI he joined right-wing Freikorps and did his utmost to destabilize the Weimar Republic so a proper right-wing dictatorship could be established. He merely rebelled when Hitler kicked off WWII as he saw that as a bad move for Germany.

What a German admiral might do is ferrying his boat over to England, with the Enigma and everything ready to be handed over. Officially. That would be a horrible hit for the Nazis, an Admiral deserting and revealing everything they know.

A German Admiral or General would be in the position that they'd have a big problem with actually influencing things to end favorably. Unless they can murder Hitler's whole inner circle and get the backing of the Army and the Kriegsmarine, anything else means packing up and hoping that this time around the Soviets can be kept out of Germany.
 
Huh...what I've read has Canaris as one of the first ones to oppose Hitler (albeit not publicly, obviously), even before the war started. Not to say he's a great guy, pretty well no one in any position of power at the time was. Sans Rommel, perhaps.

In this case, it was more 'lesser of evils' if a German Admiral had to work with someone. Though if what I've read is wrong- totally possible -then...yeah. Well.
 
Shaithan said:
A German Admiral wouldn't work with Canaris. The Abwehr was heavily involved with Einsatzgruppen and there are no indications that Canaris was too appalled by that. Furthermore had he worked with the Nazis happily before Hitler went to WWII, after the end of WWI he joined right-wing Freikorps and did his utmost to destabilize the Weimar Republic so a proper right-wing dictatorship could be established. He merely rebelled when Hitler kicked off WWII as he saw that as a bad move for Germany.

What a German admiral might do is ferrying his boat over to England, with the Enigma and everything ready to be handed over. Officially. That would be a horrible hit for the Nazis, an Admiral deserting and revealing everything they know.

A German Admiral or General would be in the position that they'd have a big problem with actually influencing things to end favorably. Unless they can murder Hitler's whole inner circle and get the backing of the Army and the Kriegsmarine, anything else means packing up and hoping that this time around the Soviets can be kept out of Germany.
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Skywalker_T-65 said:
Huh...what I've read has Canaris as one of the first ones to oppose Hitler (albeit not publicly, obviously), even before the war started. Not to say he's a great guy, pretty well no one in any position of power at the time was. Sans Rommel, perhaps.

In this case, it was more 'lesser of evils' if a German Admiral had to work with someone. Though if what I've read is wrong- totally possible -then...yeah. Well.
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Actually, the safest thing would be a German Admiral allowing his forces to be interred in a neutral port for the extent of the war while discreetly mailing or sending the Enigma stuff to a future belligerent like the United States. Actual defection to the British might prompt another change in Enigma after all, perhaps in an unforeseen direction.
 
Aires Drake said:
Actually, the safest thing would be a German Admiral allowing his forces to be interred in a neutral port for the extent of the war while discreetly mailing or sending the Enigma stuff to a future belligerent like the United States. Actual defection to the British might prompt another change in Enigma after all, perhaps in an unforeseen direction.
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I kinda doubt Germany would let her prize battleship be interred anywhere. They had fuck-all problems with violating neutrality when it suited them. Furthermore, by 1940, the war has already started. How would he even go to a neutral port?
 
The only neutral ports that come to mind- at the time -are Sweden, Portugal, and Spain. Sweden is in a position where if they tried interning something...well, occupied Norway and Denmark on either side.

Spain, under Franco, might do it. If they're willing to risk it. But that's very doubtful, as Hitler is far from the most rational man out there.

That leaves the Portuguese, as neutrals in Europe. And they have Spain in the way, and Franco won't join the Axis just to get Bismarck back.

(this is still hypothetical, of course)
 
Honestly the best way for a FuturenowinpastGerman Admiral to defect is to pull a "Hunt for Red October".

Crew of the newest German subs with like minded people, grapped every peice of Intel they can, and go out on patrol...

Get "sunk", hell even send out an SOS to sweeten it, and cruise to the states and tell them what's up.

Edit: If the guy now show to summon Shipgirls...
 
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Skywalker_T-65 said:
September, now.

But yes, that's why I specified:



It's also worth noting that any ships I write will have different characters from the typical. I subscribe to the view their characters are related to their experiences (such as Kongou going down with two Admirals aboard leading to being Teitoku-sexual). Which means that they will be different, having not experienced these things.
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Whoops, of course I missed that. Come to think of it, I don't think I've ever seen CV-7 Wasp anywhere, that would be a nice change of pace.
 
SaltyWaffles said:
I kinda doubt Germany would let her prize battleship be interred anywhere. They had fuck-all problems with violating neutrality when it suited them. Furthermore, by 1940, the war has already started. How would he even go to a neutral port?
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True, but I didn't specify a battleship though. Just a German Admiral and 'his forces' for this thought-experiment.
Skywalker_T-65 said:
The only neutral ports that come to mind- at the time -are Sweden, Portugal, and Spain. Sweden is in a position where if they tried interning something...well, occupied Norway and Denmark on either side.

Spain, under Franco, might do it. If they're willing to risk it. But that's very doubtful, as Hitler is far from the most rational man out there.

That leaves the Portuguese, as neutrals in Europe. And they have Spain in the way, and Franco won't join the Axis just to get Bismarck back.

(this is still hypothetical, of course)
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There's also Ireland. The Irish would take the chance to thumb their nose at the British while also understanding the British plight. Well, at least once the Blitz happens that is.
Tabasco said:
Whoops, of course I missed that. Come to think of it, I don't think I've ever seen CV-7 Wasp anywhere, that would be a nice change of pace.
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Wasp is a neat little carrier. I really ought to include her more when I write about the Yorktown-class sisters....
 
Skywalker_T-65 said:
Huh...what I've read has Canaris as one of the first ones to oppose Hitler (albeit not publicly, obviously), even before the war started. Not to say he's a great guy, pretty well no one in any position of power at the time was. Sans Rommel, perhaps.

In this case, it was more 'lesser of evils' if a German Admiral had to work with someone. Though if what I've read is wrong- totally possible -then...yeah. Well.
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Well, easily the most moral of all the officer resistance groups was the Kreisau Circle. They were very forward thinking... in fact, I think I'll quote Kershaw's Hitler: Nemesis, 1936-1945 on page 666 about them:

the Kreisau Circle drew heavily for its inspiration on the idealism of the German youth movement, socialist and Christian philosophies, and experiences of the post-war misery, and rise of National Socialism. Moltke, Yorck, and their associates - unlike the Goerdeler group - had no desire to hold on to expectations of German hegemony on the continent. They looked instead to a future in which the national sovereignty (and the nationalist ideologies which underpineed it) would give way to a federal Europe, modelled in part on the United States of America. They were well aware that major territorial concessions would have to be made by Germany, along with some form of reparation for the peoples of Europe who had suffered so grievously under Nazi rule. They saw an international tribunal to deal with war criminals as a basis for weaning the German prople from it attachment to National Socialism. And they looked to a strong international organization to preserve equal rights for all countries of the world. Their concept of a new form of state rested heavily upon German Christian and social ideals, looking to democratization from below, through self-governing communities working on the basis of social justive, guaranteed by a central state that was little more than an umbrella organization for localized and particularized interests within a federal structure.
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There is of course a very big catch: they had absolutely no capacity to actually do anything. Again, Kershaw:

Such notions were inevitably utopian. The Kreisau Circle had no arms to back it and no access to Hitler. It was dependent upon the army for action. Moltke, who opposed assassination, and Yorck, quite especially, pressed on a number of occasions for a coup to unseat Hitler. By 1943, Moltke's distrust of the German military leadership on account of its complicity in so much of the Nazi barbarism led him to advocate American military support for a new oppositional German government. Allied troops were to be parachuted into German cities to back a coup.
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One can only imagine the hilarious reaction among the Joint Chiefs, GHQ, or SHAEF had they learned of that last idea.
 
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Non-canon: Sisterly Rage
  • Sidestory
    • Took longer than I thought it would...but glorious crack inbound:

    Much as he enjoyed spending time with Sara, Admiral James Thompson could admit to enjoying being able to just get away from it all on occasion. Warm sunlight beat down on him, his uniform exchanged for civilian clothing, as he walked through Honolulu. He was off-duty for the first time in quite some time, and fully intended to take advantage of it. Getting a chance to just rest and not push towards helping the girls was a rarity, after all. James could take advantage of that every once in awhile!

    ...

    Okay, he was only out here because Sara had practically tossed him overboard. Something about him 'needing to take a break before you killed yourself'. James could see her point, but his old friend could be pushy when she wanted to be. Oh well, time to relax was time he could spend. Maybe he could find a way to get some decent food in the city. If Navy chow had been bad in his time, it was infinitely worse in the past, peacetime or no. Maybe he could try getting another letter out to his 'brother' as well.

    "Where would the post office be..."

    Looking around, James tried to find the post office first. He could eat later, simply enough. Before he had even taken a handful of steps however...

    "You!"

    A female voice shouted at him, making the Admiral snap his head around. That voice...

    "Pennsy?"

    Stomping down the street, in full view of everyone, was the embodiment of USS Pennsylvania. Which should have been impossible, James' mind coming to a halt, making him miss the angry expression on her face.

    How in the name of all that is holy...

    "Admiral Thompson, what have you done to my sister?!" Pennsy shouted again, as she continued towards the Admiral.

    "Pennsylvania!" Said sister came running into view behind the green-haired battleship, her own red hair flowing in the wind.

    James opened and closed his mouth, uncaring of the looks people were sending him. Why wouldn't he be shocked? Those two should not have been here.

    "How...I...what...?" The Admiral managed to get out.

    "Explain, now!"

    If Pennsylvania cared about the impossibility of her situation, she didn't show it. Instead she stomped right up to Thompson, and glared up at him. Ari had come to a halt some bit away, worry clear in her features. And for his part, James could only blink slowly. He had zero idea what was going on, in the slightest. Leaving aside how Pennsy even got over to him, why was she so angry? What had he done to Ari to get her sister angry with him? He couldn't think of anything...

    That didn't change the glare being directed his way, of course.

    "What are you talking about?" Thompson finally managed to ask a coherent question.

    "You know what!" Pennsy's glare, if anything, grew in intensity. "My sister has done nothing but talk about you! What have you done to her?! She never stops talking about you!"

    "I..."

    "And not only does she not stop talking about you, she talks about how 'nice' it feels to touch you! Have you done something to control her? If you did anything to my sister, I don't care if you're an Admi..."

    "Pennsy!"

    Ari's angry shout cut her sister off, making both the elder battleship and the Admiral turn to look at her.

    "Quiet Arizona," Pennsylvania's voice crew softer when looking at her sister. "Let your big sister handle this."

    "You be quiet Pennsy!" Ari had a stubborn expression on her face, as she placed her hands on her hips. "You can't tell me who to care for! Who to lov..."

    Seemingly realizing just what she had said, Ari's mouth clamped shut, as her face went redder than her hair. James' own face did much the same, as he coughed to try and get his flush under control. Which only served to get Pennsylvania's attention back on him. And the battleship had gone red as well...from anger.

    "YOU CORRUPTED MY SISTER!"

    Deciding that discretion was the better part of valor, Admiral Thompson turned on his heel and started running for his life.

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    "Lex?"

    "Sara."

    "...you don't care about...?"

    Lexington smiled softly, as she watched Admiral Thompson running along the pier, dodging an irate super-dreadnought, "Of course not. You can choose what you feel, and who you feel that about. You're my sister, and I want you to be happy."

    "Good." Sara smiled back, though there as a hint of worry in her green eyes, as Admiral Thompson ducked underneath a thrown barrel.

    "Take responsibility!"

    "I didn't do anything!"

    "Liar!"

    The two carriers had been drawn by the noise of Pennsylvania's shouting, and taken up a position watching the ensuing chase across the port facilities. Several MPs had tried to come to the Admiral's rescue, only to be bowled over by the angry battleship. You did not stop 30,000 tons of angry warship unless you were larger. Which was unfortunate for Admiral Thompson, as he started to lose ground on Pennsylvania. Seemingly realizing this, the Admiral changed directions.

    Sara winced at that, watching as her beloved Admiral took a flying leap into the harbor, banking on the fact that Pennsylvania would have to stay on the surface.

    "...I should go help him." The carrier sighed.

    Her sister wore a kindly smile on her face, "Most likely, yes."

    "I'll be back, sis."

    "Have fun~."

    And so, Saratoga went to rescue her Admiral, as the man hid underneath the pier where the righteously angry battleship couldn't reach him.

    Hilariously non-canon, clearly. But the idea amused me. And I can write stuff that isn't feels-city! :p
     
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    • Pennsy is a firecracker it seems. Is this her canon persona in story? If so Thompson is in for some fun.:V
     
    Random Thought: Sara could touch Thompson's notebook. Does that mean Thompson has a "Magic Touch"? Cuz then Sara could conceivably write post-it notes for the crew. Or maybe get Thompson to fiddle with the radio a bit, and let Sara's voice reach the crew.
    Or just start rubbing his bodypoking every conceivable piece of equipment on the Saratoga until Sara can control it all.
     
    Skywalker_T-65 said:
    Took longer than I thought it would...but glorious crack inbound:

    Much as he enjoyed spending time with Sara, Admiral James Thompson could admit to enjoying being able to just get away from it all on occasion. Warm sunlight beat down on him, his uniform exchanged for civilian clothing, as he walked through Honolulu. He was off-duty for the first time in quite some time, and fully intended to take advantage of it. Getting a chance to just rest and not push towards helping the girls was a rarity, after all. James could take advantage of that every once in awhile!

    ...

    Okay, he was only out here because Sara had practically tossed him overboard. Something about him 'needing to take a break before you killed yourself'. James could see her point, but his old friend could be pushy when she wanted to be. Oh well, time to relax was time he could spend. Maybe he could find a way to get some decent food in the city. If Navy chow had been bad in his time, it was infinitely worse in the past, peacetime or no. Maybe he could try getting another letter out to his 'brother' as well.

    "Where would the post office be..."

    Looking around, James tried to find the post office first. He could eat later, simply enough. Before he had even taken a handful of steps however...

    "You!"

    A female voice shouted at him, making the Admiral snap his head around. That voice...

    "Pennsy?"

    Stomping down the street, in full view of everyone, was the embodiment of USS Pennsylvania. Which should have been impossible, James' mind coming to a halt, making him miss the angry expression on her face.

    How in the name of all that is holy...

    "Admiral Thompson, what have you done to my sister?!" Pennsy shouted again, as she continued towards the Admiral.

    "Pennsylvania!" Said sister came running into view behind the green-haired battleship, her own red hair flowing in the wind.

    James opened and closed his mouth, uncaring of the looks people were sending him. Why wouldn't he be shocked? Those two should not have been here.

    "How...I...what...?" The Admiral managed to get out.

    "Explain, now!"

    If Pennsylvania cared about the impossibility of her situation, she didn't show it. Instead she stomped right up to Thompson, and glared up at him. Ari had come to a halt some bit away, worry clear in her features. And for his part, James could only blink slowly. He had zero idea what was going on, in the slightest. Leaving aside how Pennsy even got over to him, why was she so angry? What had he done to Ari to get her sister angry with him? He couldn't think of anything...

    That didn't change the glare being directed his way, of course.

    "What are you talking about?" Thompson finally managed to ask a coherent question.

    "You know what!" Pennsy's glare, if anything, grew in intensity. "My sister has done nothing but talk about you! What have you done to her?! She never stops talking about you!"

    "I..."

    "And not only does she not stop talking about you, she talks about how 'nice' it feels to touch you! Have you done something to control her? If you did anything to my sister, I don't care if you're an Admi..."

    "Pennsy!"

    Ari's angry shout cut her sister off, making both the elder battleship and the Admiral turn to look at her.

    "Quiet Arizona," Pennsylvania's voice crew softer when looking at her sister. "Let your big sister handle this."

    "You be quiet Pennsy!" Ari had a stubborn expression on her face, as she placed her hands on her hips. "You can't tell me who to care for! Who to lov..."

    Seemingly realizing just what she had said, Ari's mouth clamped shut, as her face went redder than her hair. James' own face did much the same, as he coughed to try and get his flush under control. Which only served to get Pennsylvania's attention back on him. And the battleship had gone red as well...from anger.

    "YOU CORRUPTED MY SISTER!"

    Deciding that discretion was the better part of valor, Admiral Thompson turned on his heel and started running for his life.

    -0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-​

    "Lex?"

    "Sara."

    "...you don't care about...?"

    Lexington smiled softly, as she watched Admiral Thompson running along the pier, dodging an irate super-dreadnought, "Of course not. You can choose what you feel, and who you feel that about. You're my sister, and I want you to be happy."

    "Good." Sara smiled back, though there as a hint of worry in her green eyes, as Admiral Thompson ducked underneath a thrown barrel.

    "Take responsibility!"

    "I didn't do anything!"

    "Liar!"

    The two carriers had been drawn by the noise of Pennsylvania's shouting, and taken up a position watching the ensuing chase across the port facilities. Several MPs had tried to come to the Admiral's rescue, only to be bowled over by the angry battleship. You did not stop 30,000 tons of angry warship unless you were larger. Which was unfortunate for Admiral Thompson, as he started to lose ground on Pennsylvania. Seemingly realizing this, the Admiral changed directions.

    Sara winced at that, watching as her beloved Admiral took a flying leap into the harbor, banking on the fact that Pennsylvania would have to stay on the surface.

    "...I should go help him." The carrier sighed.

    Her sister wore a kindly smile on her face, "Most likely, yes."

    "I'll be back, sis."

    "Have fun~."

    And so, Saratoga went to rescue her Admiral, as the man hid underneath the pier where the righteously angry battleship couldn't reach him.

    Hilariously non-canon, clearly. But the idea amused me. And I can write stuff that isn't feels-city! :p
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    Bahahaha! Oh that was hilarious! I love it! XD

    I rather like the idea of Pennsy being the overprotective sister who goes to incredible leaps of logic. :D
     
    You know a futurenowinpast British Admiral would probably be willing to work with this guy, Paul von Lettow - Vorbeck
     
    landcollector said:
    So sure about that are you, Adm. Thompson?~ Pennsy will figure something out rather soon I bet.
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    *STOMP-CRUNCH!* *sploooooosh* "You forget that I'm too much of a woman for a puny wooden dock to hold!"

    "Oh, shi-*dives below the surface*"

    "YOU CAN'T HOLD OUT FOREVER, THOMPSON! YOU'LL HAVE TO COME UP TO BREATHE SOMETIME, AND WHEN YOU DO..."
     
    rdfox said:
    *STOMP-CRUNCH!* *sploooooosh* "You forget that I'm too much of a woman for a puny wooden dock to hold!"

    "Oh, shi-*dives below the surface*"

    "YOU CAN'T HOLD OUT FOREVER, THOMPSON! YOU'LL HAVE TO COME UP TO BREATHE SOMETIME, AND WHEN YOU DO..."
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    And then a sub provides him a few air tanks and a diving helmet.
     
    Appletank said:
    Random Thought: Sara could touch Thompson's notebook. Does that mean Thompson has a "Magic Touch"? Cuz then Sara could conceivably write post-it notes for the crew. Or maybe get Thompson to fiddle with the radio a bit, and let Sara's voice reach the crew.
    Or just start rubbing his bodypoking every conceivable piece of equipment on the Saratoga until Sara can control it all.
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    I think this idea hits on a mechanics problem in the story. On the one hand, we have passages like these:
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    Sara smiled demurely at him, as she tapped her head, "I am the ship Admiral. Whatever is aboard, is something that I can use."
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    Ari bit her lip, worriedly clenching at her skirt, "What about talking to my whole crew?"

    Utah was silent, before she hummed in thought again, "Intercom? We are able to use our radios, so logically..."
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    But on the other, there's this:
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    the girl had no control of her own body. It was hers, the metal and wood beneath her. But Hood had no more control over it than her crew had over her. She was reduced to watching, feeling her turrets loaded with their heavy 15in shells.
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    So what's the deal? Why can the girls use some of their own hardware but not all of it? Where's the line, and why?
     
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