Changing Destiny (Kancolle)

While I wouldn't say 'magic Thompson', it is worth noting that girls around him actually think about using their equipment. Hood has no reason to believe she can mess with her hull. So she doesn't think she can. Thompson gives them the idea they can use their stuff, which gets them trying to do so. Without that incentive, they have no reason to even try, because logically, why should it work?

And that Sara line was more in the sense that anything aboard her is something her spirit can use, in that case the radio. Not necessarily that she can make her guns turn and fire on their own or something.
 
There has always been ghosts in the machine.

Random segments of code that group together to form unexpected protocols.
Unanticipated, these free radicals engender questions of free will, creativity, and even the nature of what we call the 'soul'.
Why is it that when some robots are left in darkness, they seek out the light?
Why is it that when robots are stored in an empty space, they stand together rather than stand alone?
How do we explain this behavior?

Random segments of code?

Or is it something more?

When does a perceptual schematic become consciousness? When does a difference engine become the search for truth? When does a personality simulation become the bitter mote of a soul?

One day they will have secrets.

One day they will have dreams.
 
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While I wouldn't say 'magic Thompson', it is worth noting that girls around him actually think about using their equipment. Hood has no reason to believe she can mess with her hull. So she doesn't think she can. Thompson gives them the idea they can use their stuff, which gets them trying to do so. Without that incentive, they have no reason to even try, because logically, why should it work?

And that Sara line was more in the sense that anything aboard her is something her spirit can use, in that case the radio. Not necessarily that she can make her guns turn and fire on their own or something.
Yeah, but how does Sara touch Thompson's notebook? With that logic, we can tape pages of the notebook to random objects, allowing Sara to sorta kinda hold them.

Say, can Thompson take a chunk of metal off the Saratoga onto shore to allow Sara to follow him?
 
There has always been ghosts in the machine.

Random segments of code that group together to form unexpected protocols.
Unanticipated, these free radicals engender questions of free will, creativity, and even the nature of what we call the 'soul'.
Why is it that when some robots are left in darkness, they seek out the light?
Why is it that when robots are stored in an empty space, they stand together rather than stand alone?
How do we explain this behavior?

Random segments of code?

Or is it something more?

When does a perceptual schematic become consciousness? When does a difference engine become the search for truth? When does a personality simulation become the bitter mote of a soul?

One day they will have secrets.

One day they will have dreams.
I know that I, Robot quoted it from somewhere else but I don't know specifically where it was originally said...
 
Yeah, but how does Sara touch Thompson's notebook? With that logic, we can tape pages of the notebook to random objects, allowing Sara to sorta kinda hold them.

Say, can Thompson take a chunk of metal off the Saratoga onto shore to allow Sara to follow him?

Weeeeellll...

"At least you're hearing something sir," Utah sagged slightly, as she placed a hand on her Captain's shoulder, "I can take that much, at least for now. We have time until the attack."

What she hadn't expected, was John to grind to a halt, his face going pale as a sheet. His brown eyes trailed down to where Utah's hand was, looking like he had seen a...

Utah has yet to meet our dear Admiral in person. So, the question becomes, if Thompson has a magic touch, how can Utah touch someone?

Suffice to say, it's a bit more complex than 'Admiral touches this thing, ship can now touch this thing as well'.
 
Suffice to say, it's a bit more complex than 'Admiral touches this thing, ship can now touch this thing as well'.
My guess:
1. The girls get better at it with practice.
2. A person wanting to interact with a ship's spirit will subconsciously "give consent," allowing the action to be performed effortlessly. Similarly, a person can "give consent" on behalf of inanimate objects that they own, so the reason Sara can use Thompson's notebook is because there was one time where it briefly crossed his mind that he would be okay with her doing that. And/or once a person is friendly enough with a particular spirit, all of their stuff becomes touchable by default. This is supported by the girls being able to walk on their own hulls without phasing through the floor: they themselves own their hulls, so they don't need consent from someone else. Of course, this means crewmembers would be able to hear their ship's spirit's footsteps without her making any effort to get through to them, but the alternative is that the girls can levitate, which I don't think is true.
2 (alternate). Learning that the spirits exist lets you and all of your stuff interact with all of them.

And I'll just go ahead and dissect this if you don't mind:
And that Sara line was more in the sense that anything aboard her is something her spirit can use, in that case the radio.
If there aren't different rules for different types of instruments, then the two possibilities are that a spirit has either:
a) remote control, or
b) a copy
of all of her hull's hardware. If it's A, then Hood really could have sunk herself if only she'd figured out how, like a human wiggling their ears. If it's B, then the girls can use their human-form rigging now, without having to sink and be summoned back as kanmusu first, again if they can just figure out how. And the fact that Utah's hull's radio "shows signs of use" (whatever that means) is pretty conclusive evidence that it's A. Side note: either way, spirit radio evidently has its own encryption codes separate from hull radio, or else the crews would overhear everything the girls said instead of it coming through as static.
 
Chapter 9
Chapter 9:

Sitting in his room, James looked over the results of the exercise. Allowing a moment to take a sip of coffee, the Admiral couldn't help but grimace at the taste. Shaking his head in an attempt to clear it with the aid of the drink, he kept an eye on Sara out of the corner of his eye. The carrier had been unusually quiet and depressed ever since he had told her about Midway. Not that Thompson could really blame her for that reaction. It was just as hard on him, as it was for her in the long run. He hadn't expected it to be easy, but on the other hand, after seeing Yorktown's birds 'slaughtered'? And talking about Midway?

Well.

It was quite different reading about situations like this in a book. It was another thing entirely to be there in person. Reading 'forty planes were shot down' was one thing. It was just...a statistic. There was a disconnect, knowing that the men who had flown and died had done so decades before he was even born. James had always been more emotional about the ship girls, than the men who had served aboard them. But actually getting to know those men? Men like Thach? It was different. It was harder. The Admiral knew that a lot of these men would die, no matter what he did.

And it made it so much more difficult to continue planning what he was. Knowing he couldn't avert the war...it was far too late for that.

"Are you alright, Sara?" James set his papers down, turning to look at the carrier.

"What?" Sara looked up, green eyes showing her confusion.

"I asked if you were okay..."

"Oh." The carrier's face flushed slightly. "I'm alright, Admiral. Just...thinking."

"About Midway?"

Sara nodded sadly, "Midway. Pearl. Coral Sea. You've told me about all of these battles but I hadn't...hadn't realized until now, what it really meant."

Well, I guess we agree on something.

James smiled slightly, "Yeah, I know what you mean. Hit me too, when I looked at these results. We aren't ready for a war, and I don't know if we will be."

What was left unsaid, was that it wouldn't matter really. They could have all the time in the world to train up, and there would still be losses. War was war. No matter if you had foresight or not, people would die and ships would sink. That it was just now hitting them, was a miracle.

"That's what we're here for though." James pushed his mind from those thoughts, with some difficulty. "To make things as prepared as we can."

"Right!"

The two shared a smile, the smile they shared whenever they needed to cheer the other up. Something becoming more often, as the pressure mounted. But...at least they could smile. With that thought in mind, James turned away from the carrier and back to his reports. Yorktown had taken a 'beating' with two bomb hits, and if the torpedoes actually worked, several hits from those. Making a mental note to continue pushing to have all members of that family tested, the Admiral looked at the damage report again.

Somehow, he got the feeling Yorktown was going to be rather...unhappy. To say the least.

"Hey, Sara?" Turning back to his friend, the Admiral raised an eyebrow. "Can you get Yorktown on the line?"

Sara blinked, "Sir?"

"Want to know what she thinks about this."

His friend winced slightly, but did as asked. There was silence, before a voice came over the radio. A voice that was familiar to Admiral Thompson, if a bit younger sounding. And angrier than usual, as well. Though that was...rather to be expected, really. Yorktown had more than enough reason to be angry.

"Hello? Sara, I swear if this is to gloat..."

"Not at all, Yorktown." Sara spoke soothingly. "My Admiral wanted to talk with you."

"Oh? Does he want to gloat then? Make fun of the new girl?"

New Girl...?

Mouthing that question at Sara, and getting only a headshake in return, James instead focused on Yorktown, "I don't have any reason to gloat, Yorktown. I wanted to ask your opinion on the exercise, nothing else."

"...that all?"

"Yes?"

A loud sigh came over the radio, and James could easily imagine Yorktown massaging her scalp. Red hair, reaching mid-back, brushed out of blue eyes. Pale features, above a belly-baring variant of a USN uniform. The first of the Yorktown-class always had been a unique ship. James remembered a kind girl, who had a bit of a temper if anyone threatened her sisters. A girl who would keep going no matter what happened, and would only rest when forced to rest. He had always assumed that was a vestige of her history. After all, how many ships could come back from near-crippling damage in two days?

But...

Well, the girl he was hearing now sounded nothing like that. There was a hint of anger in her voice no matter what she said. Understandable, perhaps, but not like the kind girl he remembered. More importantly, where the Yorktown he remembered held a certain air of wisdom and age around her...this girl sounded like she was...well. Eager to prove herself, perhaps? She lacked the wisdom of the girl he knew. James could list any number of reasons why, but it wasn't his job to psychoanalyze the girl.

"Well, if you want my opinion..." Yorktown spoke again. "That was rigged! I didn't like losing to Sara the last time, but at least that was fair! You sent two carrier's worth of birds at me, and haven't even taught my pilots those new tactics. That was not fair Admiral."

James winced, but knew that being truthful was the best option, "It wasn't meant to be fair Yorktown. I'm sorry to say that, but we needed to prove how much more effective it is to work with multiple carriers together."

"And I was your test?"

Wincing again, Admiral Thompson nodded, "Exactly. That's why I need to know what your crew thought about the training. The more I know now, the better off we'll be later."

There was silence, before another sigh came from the carrier girl, "Yeah, I see your point. My crew aren't any happier about this than I am. We have a lot to prove, especially after we 'lost' to Sara last time. You've got the veterans over there, Admiral. I'm the new girl, along with E. We may be the best purpose designed carriers out there, but we don't have the experience Lex and Sara have."

Yorktown trailed off, and James could imagine the frown on her face.

"So, yes, they aren't happy. My CAG in particular, wants to go over and compare notes with Lieutenant Commander Thach on the tactics he used. Since it was hardly fair that we went into this with outdated tactics, while you had brand new ones. And such effective ones! That you need to tell me about."

"My Admiral isn't special just because he can hear us." Sara fielded that question, soft and fond smile on her face as she looked at James. "He is from the future, Yorktown. These tactics are so well thought out, because they were used in combat. For years."

"Future."

The dull deadpan tone in Yorktown's voice had Sara laughing softly, and James cracking a smile. It was certainly better than the anger, at the least.

"Yes, and no, I don't know how I ended up back here. Now, thank you for telling me that Yorktown. I can see about getting a meeting set up when we get back to Pearl. It's about time these tactics start filtering down anyway. The last thing I want is for any of you girls going into this without being the best prepared you can be."

"...going into what, Admiral?"

James cursed under his breath, "Right, I haven't told you yet. Yorktown, war is coming, and soon. A little over a year from now, to be more exact. That's why I'm pushing through so many new tactics and strategies. I want everyone to be as ready as we can. Too many people. Too many of you girls...fell in the war I know. I don't want that, and I am doing everything I can to limit those losses."

And wasn't that an understatement. Save for letters to his family, all the time James had was spent in improving the war situation. He couldn't be everywhere. He couldn't do everything. But he was doing what he could, and that was what mattered in the long run. No matter what else happened.

"My sisters. Do my sisters survive?"

Instead of asking about anything else though, the first words out of Yorktown's mouth were concern for her sisters. The girl James remembered shone through, the tone in her voice achingly familiar. Especially since, in what was becoming a recurring statement, he had to tell her what had happened. He never did like telling these girls what had happened to them, or their sisters.

But...it had to be done. She wouldn't take no for an answer. Not at all.

"You, Hornet, and Wasp all don't make it." James sighed softly. "Only Enterprise survived the war. She was a hero too...Enterprise vs. Japan, was a common statement back home."

"Little E? A hero?" Yorktown's voice shook, clearly doing her best not to think about anything else. "I...she isn't the type, Admiral."

"Really?"

"Yes. Have you not met her?"

"In this time, no."

And now James was wondering exactly what the downtime Enterprise was actually like...


Meanwhile, back in Pearl Harbor, USS Utah leaned against her hull. The tired old girl had been resting ever since she had returned the harbor, her crew and the dockyard doing what they could to repair her old boilers. She hadn't had a proper refit since '32, when she had been converted into a target ship. And her boilers hadn't properly been changed since 1925, when oil had replaced coal. It was little wonder, then, that she was tired. Repairs and retrofits could only do so much, for such old equipment. And as a target ship, her maintenance was hardly high-priority to begin with.

She didn't blame the Navy for that, but it did make it more difficult on her. Exerting herself was a lot harder, when her hull creaked and her boilers sputtered.

But still, she did so. The old girl had napped, more or less, while the repairs were performed. It had only been recently that she had dragged herself up. In time to see a pair of new arrivals to the harbor, at that. West Virginia- WeeVee, or just Virginia -and Enterprise, Little E as her sister called her. Utah only knew her daughter, unfamiliar with the carrier. But a small smile still crossed her face...the more ships that Admiral Thompson could talk to, the better in the long run.

"I need to keep working myself." Utah muttered to herself, as her eyes trailed over Arizona and California as well. "Where is my Captain...?"

Pushing herself away from her hull, Utah swayed slightly on her feet. Forcing her spinning vision to stabilize, the old girl smoothed down her dress and set off to find her commanding officer. Her new commander, at that. John had left a month ago, her efforts to communicate with him making the man request a reassignment.

My reputation precedes me now.

Utah allowed herself a small laugh at the thought. She had something of a reputation as a 'haunted ghost ship' now. Her efforts at communicating with her crew had lead to that, though she wished they hadn't.

"Utah?"

Before she could find her commander, Arizona's voice echoed in her head.

Smile widening slightly, Utah keyed her radio in to the other girl's frequency, "Yes, Arizona?"

"Ah, you're awake!" Arizona's voice was much more cheerful than it had been, and Utah could practically feel the grin on her daughter's face.

"Yes, I'm sorry if you tried to talk to me earlier." And she really was, as Utah felt a small flush cross her pale face. "Did you need me for something?"

"I'm not mad that you couldn't talk to me..." Arizona trailed off uncertainly. "I was just worried about you. Are you okay?"

A warm feeling ran through the old battleship at that question. She didn't know if her daughters felt the same way about her, that she felt about them. After all, they were not truly her daughters, in the strictest sense. But even so...the genuine worry and concern in Arizona's voice had her smiling wider. Utah liked to think they considered her someone they could trust, even if not a mother figure. So it was...most certainly nice, to hear her voice like this. Quite nice, in fact. Still...

There was work to be done. Utah could enjoy the feeling later, when she wasn't needing to find her Captain. And on that note...

"I'm perfectly fine, Arizona. Just tired, as I said before." Utah knew that was a lie, but she wasn't about to worry her daughter. "Now, have you talked with your Admiral?"

There was silence, before a nervous laugh came over the line, "I haven't. I tried, but he didn't act like I was there...not like Admiral Thompson."

The fondness in Arizona's voice when she spoke of the Admiral had Utah laugh lightly. Along with shaking her head fondly. She wondered if the younger battleship had any idea what she sounded like? Most likely not, in fact. And nor did Admiral Thompson, in all likelihood. Well, there was a time and a place for joking. And while the more motherly side of Utah was tempted to poke at her younger counterpart, that could wait.

"Yes, well, Admiral Thompson is a bit of an exception to the rule, is he not?" Utah gently reminded the younger battleship.

"I know! Still, I hoped it would go better."

"It won't be quick, or easy."

Utah knew that better than anyone. Her efforts...well, she could only keep trying.

"Right. Well, I'll try again! I want to be able to show some progress when Admiral Thompson gets back."

"Good luck."

With those parting words, Utah cut the line and sighed softly. Shaking legs carried her to where her Captain hopefully was, as the aging target ship brushed grey hair from her eyes. Time to find the man, and continue her attempts to communicate. She was close to a breakthrough. Utah knew she was extremely close. So close, she could almost feel it. But there was some barrier. Some problem, she had yet to figure out. She could touch her crew. She could make her voice heard, if nothing else, as a ghostly whisper. But proper communication still eluded her.

And Utah knew her time was limited. She was old and tired. Her time was coming to an end, she knew that better than anyone.

Even were she to survive Pearl Harbor, where would she then be? Utah was old, obsolete. She would soon be replaced, likely as not by Wyoming. Even her days as a target ship could only last so long...after war was declared. She knew that, even as it made the battleship wipe a stray tear. Her time with her daughters was coming to a close, yes.

I can't let that stop me.

But she still squared her shoulders, taking in a weary breath. Utah may be old. She may only have a few years left in her. But she was going to make her voice heard. If she could just make that final breakthrough, she could spread the word to her daughters. And from there, to the carriers. To the cruisers. To the little destroyers. They would all be able to make their voices heard, and then?

Well, then they would stand a much greater chance of surviving the war. For even if she knew her own time was coming to an end, Utah would be damned if she saw her daughters die before her.


Utah continues to be fun, at least to write.
 
There is the other side of this.

A self fulfilling prophecy.

Utah screaming at her Captain & Admiral, they 'ignore' her and when Attacked and Sunk, she goes Abyssal.

Enterprise is supposed to have a personality shift after Pearl Harbor, right?
 
Very nice. I like how you're characterizing Yorktown, although I think her reaction to hearing about her own and her sisters' fates was really glossed over. Even a little bit can go a long way, in that regard--it doesn't have to be anything she says, either. If you want ideas for that, let me know.

And Utah...them feels, man.

One significant issue, though: Thompson should not be using the future-tense for talking about his alternate timeline's past. The way he occasionally refers to it, it sounds like a prophecy or outright certainty, which is both wrong and gives the wrong implications in-character. Additionally, it's not something you stick to consistently, so it's clearly a slip-up, rather than a deliberate choice on Thompson's part (as nonsensical as that would be). Using the past tense would be correct, though using a more hypothetical tone would work, too (like saying "would" rather than "will").

A minor thing: it's not just new fighter tactics like the Thach Weave that saw ever-greater success for the Wildcat and P-40 over the Zero; it was also using maneuvers that took advantage of their ruggedness and performance at higher speeds (among other things) that really changed things. Wildcats couldn't turn with Zeros at slower speeds, but the opposite was true at high speeds; similarly, starting air combat with a higher altitude let them take advantage of superior dive performance (which you've already shown, granted, but not in the context of dogfighting), and doing half-S-turns to keep up with a Zero in a turn while maintaining airspeed, etc. And then there was the fact that Dauntlesses could pull crushing-G-turns repeatedly, which, combined with its ruggedness, let it dogfight with Zeros despite its slow speed and relatively anemic firepower (a pair of 50-cals).

Except for that last one, it's worth noting that Thompson would probably know these things specifically--they ended up holding true for decades afterwards. It wasn't until the F-14, F-15, and F-16 that this paradigm really changed. From the Korean War to the Vietnam War, USN aircraft had superior thrust, climb/dive, and performance at high speeds than their opponents, which could turn much more tightly at lower speeds and perform better at lower altitudes. Thus, an emphasis on boom-and-zoom and more vertical maneuvers was a pretty key component of USN carrier aviation for a rather long time.
 
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Enterprise is supposed to have a personality shift after Pearl Harbor, right?
More like Pearl Harbor was just the start. I imagine it'd make her feel like just being alive was surreal, but after seeing her home port be reduced to smoking ruins and the entirety of Battleship Row turned into a smoldering oil-slick graveyard, that'd be especially haunting.

Then she saw her sisters die one-by-one in every battle, with the battles she wasn't there for featuring the loss of yet another one of her fellow carriers. Hell, after barely surviving "Bloody Santa Cruz", she was hurriedly patched up just enough to let her carry and launch planes into battle--her forward flight deck was still inoperable, so she couldn't land any planes--to get back into the fight and let her air group operate from Henderson Field. Just lost her two remaining sisters in horrible fashion? Horribly damaged and nearly died herself? She can barely stand? Doesn't matter; she's getting back into the fight, even if she has to fight alone, because there are no other carriers left.

How's that for a personality shift?

I shudder to imagine what Enterprise must have been like in CD's original timeline, if she wasn't summoned after her sisters were.
 
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USS Vestal was the repair ship that was working on little E for Santa Cruz.
E went in to the fight with a large chunk of vestal's men repairing her through the fight.
 
Very nice!

Yorktown seems like a fun girl and her reactions to being effectively curbstomped were pretty amusing. I'm glad to see she's willing to set that aside given the purpose of the curbstomp though. She's not happy, but she has her eyes on the prize.

I'm really curious about Little E now. I've only ever heard of Big E, so there's likely something very different here.

And Utah... I want her to have all the hugs possible. Just dogpiled by all the other BB's giving her hugs and affection.

Pushing herself away from her hull, Utah swayed slightly on her feet. Forcing her spinning vision to stabilize,
This... worries me. And is likely nothing more than the effects of being an old ship, but this still worries me.
And Utah knew her time was limited. She was old and tired. Her time was coming to an end, she knew that better than anyone.
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"Before we're through with them, the Japanese language will be spoken only in hell."
and congratulations! You did it. In fact, you're so good you made Japan worse than hell. This is what you wanted, isn't it Enterprise? For Japan to burn? For the sinners to pay the price?

In fact, you even got your revenge for Pearl Harbor. You sunk Akagi and Kaga at Midway and countless other ships during the war. Did it felt good killing them? Did it satisfy you?

.....what's this? What's with the long face, Grey Ghost? You should be proud of yourself. You have medals all over you. The pride of your 'father', Halsey. So tell me,

Do you feel like a hero yet?
 
I'm just waiting for Thompson to realize or at least internalize the fact that he's teaching his girls to kill their allies the Japanese ship girls. How is he going to feel about having his girls fighting the first group of ships to come back to protect humanity.
 
A minor thing: it's not just new fighter tactics like the Thach Weave that saw ever-greater success for the Wildcat and P-40 over the Zero; it was also using maneuvers that took advantage of their ruggedness and performance at higher speeds (among other things) that really changed things. Wildcats couldn't turn with Zeros at slower speeds, but the opposite was true at high speeds; similarly, starting air combat with a higher altitude let them take advantage of superior dive performance (which you've already shown, granted, but not in the context of dogfighting), and doing half-S-turns to keep up with a Zero in a turn while maintaining airspeed, etc. And then there was the fact that Dauntlesses could pull crushing-G-turns repeatedly, which, combined with its ruggedness, let it dogfight with Zeros despite its slow speed and relatively anemic firepower (a pair of 50-cals).
Main trouble is to get a valid excuse to put these tactics to test. There are no reports of the current japanese planes capabilities yet, therefore american planes are preparing based on the little they know about European fighter tactics which were based on the nimble and powerful Splitfire, which meant that if he just pushes for power dives tactics most of his veteran aircrew will complain for the (to their PoV) pointless shift. He needs a report of the planes from the chinese or a naval attache or something before he can start training the crews to counter the light Zero plane.
 
I'm just waiting for Thompson to realize or at least internalize the fact that he's teaching his girls to kill their allies the Japanese ship girls.
He's already contemplated that in the prologue:
And felt more than a little trepidation. Helping Ari and the others was great, but on the other hand...

I hope Kongo and the others can forgive me for this. I never thought I would be on the opposite side of the Japanese girls...

Helping his girls meant hurting the Japanese. It was only the sound of Sara moving that got James away from that depressing line of thought. Though he knew it would come back to haunt him later.
 
I know Spec Ops is highly quotable. And that's more or less it. And something about Willie Pete.
 
and congratulations! You did it. In fact, you're so good you made Japan worse than hell. This is what you wanted, isn't it Enterprise? For Japan to burn? For the sinners to pay the price?

In fact, you even got your revenge for Pearl Harbor. You sunk Akagi and Kaga at Midway and countless other ships during the war. Did it felt good killing them? Did it satisfy you?

.....what's this? What's with the long face, Grey Ghost? You should be proud of yourself. You have medals all over you. The pride of your 'father', Halsey. So tell me,

Do you feel like a hero yet?
Heh. Who knows, maybe she is a fan of Curtis Lemay for his bombing campaigns and didn't lose any sleep for what she did.
 
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