Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)

This is so true.
Consider just at the most basic level, the Empire is probably thinking, 'well, if we have to, we can have Damsel hit Apeiron.' Because it was just him, and as insane as his progression rate has been, there is still the possibility to one-shot him (as far as they know)
But once he shows up with a team, how much of what he's done was just him, and how much was him using something a teammate had made or figured out, and how much was him using a collaborative project they'd all worked on.
It changes the possibility from , 'We could get a lucky shot and take out Apeiron.' to 'We could get a lucky shot and take out Apeiron, which doesn't actually change much and now his team is coming after us without restraint.'
And all the other groups that were making plans for/about Apeiron, once they hear of Apeiron's team, will be having similar musings.


Yeah, this is incredibly important because it means people now know you can't just get a lucky hit in and be done with it - even assuming he's the only tinker and the others couldn't maintain the technology (which is not the case here) - it would likely hold together long enough for the remaining members to enact a punitive strike, even by the most optimistic views of people that still think he's somehow a more regular tinker.
 
Was his fight with Dragon using last week technology? With his divine technological intuition, v.r. throne, and near infinite crystal quantum computing, he should be unbeatable. Coding takes marginal material, so he could even use his hammer to take infinite time to code an anti-Dragon bot.
 
'We could get a lucky shot and take out Apeiron.'
I'm fairly certain that after March 'lucky shot' is not considered as a viable, much less primary tactic. It took an Oni Lee (teleportation), timing thinker and an 'annihilator' effect (while the two were a same person, effects were strong enough to be their ow powers), and there were plenty of witnesses to explain the situation. Any potential annihilator capes will be pressure points, not actual countermeasure since any actual attempt is likely to fail and there will be a hell to pay after that.

The fact that Apeiron had his motoroid and gundam operate semi-independently and then one another suit rescued him suggests that those have at least some autonomy, it makes any potential assassination harder, covering the fact becomes almost impossible - robots won't let anyone go away quietly.

Teammates have other values to them:
  1. Team dynamics. It might be possible to convince or press one person to go with a morally questionable or risk-high deal outside of their norm, it's a lot harder to force a team to agree to the same. Convincing a single cape to relocate to other city is definitely easier than a group. On top of that, each team member is an unknown that requires more careful approach.
  2. Having a team for a normal tinker means easier availability of resources, more fully legal and cape identities to use, easier to disguise supply channels e t c. Team can cover more metaphorical ground, provide more alternatives and options. From external point of view this means harder time tracing where the hell Apeiron gets those resources from. Reduces efficiency of resource and information denial tactics.
  3. From combat standpoint this means that any engagement is likely to receive more reinforcements on Apeiron's side. 'Strength in numbers' is no longer as much of a factor against Apeiron (Apeiron can deploy more forces without repercussions since some will be written down as actual teammates).
Whatever political line Kaiser was preparing, it's not going to work. Whatever BS Coil fed to Travelers, is going to have a lot less weight. If some people were there to try and recruit Apeiron, they will likely stay silent. A lot of people will suddenly feel like fish out of water due to lack of information.
 
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This is so true.
Consider just at the most basic level, the Empire is probably thinking, 'well, if we have to, we can have Damsel hit Apeiron.' Because it was just him, and as insane as his progression rate has been, there is still the possibility to one-shot him (as far as they know)
But once he shows up with a team, how much of what he's done was just him, and how much was him using something a teammate had made or figured out, and how much was him using a collaborative project they'd all worked on.
It changes the possibility from , 'We could get a lucky shot and take out Apeiron.' to 'We could get a lucky shot and take out Apeiron, which doesn't actually change much and now his team is coming after us without restraint.'
And all the other groups that were making plans for/about Apeiron, once they hear of Apeiron's team, will be having similar musings.
I'm just waiting for someone to off-handedly ask Lethe "So, how did you start working with Apeiron?", and her to honestly answer "I couldn't control my power, it was turning on and off at inconvenient times, so he built me a training device to get it under control".

And then Damsel of Distress defects from the Empire faster than you can say "Oops".
 
Fleet did not know what that meant. A brief query to Survey resulted in the transfer of a comprehensive report of Aisha's viewing habits with respect to the animated programs 'Princess Gwenevere and the Jewel Riders', 'Avalon: Web of Magic', commonly abbreviated to A:WoM, and assorted related media. The report included a psychological breakdown of character preferences with an emphasis on the character Fallon and her unicorn, Moondance.
So, I have been wondering about this for sometime and excuse me if this has been answered before, but, obviously A:WoM is Earth Bet's version of Fate, so what is Princess Gwenevere and the Jewel Riders? I am thinking it is alt!Tsukihime with Moondance being Alt!Fou/Primate Murder, Princess Gwenevere being both vampire princesses (Altrouge and Arcueid, but more the latter than the former) compressed into a single character and the Jewel Riders are likely servants/apprentices of Alt!Zelretch "the Old Man of the Jewels" given in Tsukihime he basically acts as a surrogate grandfather to Arcueid. Likely the whole vampire thing was dropped because it was run on Cartoon Network or whatever, so the whole horror angle probably wouldn't fly.

Edit: Maybe Fallon is Alt!Altrouge given that Fallon has Moondance whom may be alt!Fou?
 
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So, I have been wondering about this for sometime and excuse me if this has been answered before, but, obviously A:WoM is Earth Bet's version of Fate, so what is Princess Gwenevere and the Jewel Riders? I am thinking it is alt!Tsukihime with Moondance being Alt!Fou/Primate Murder, Princess Gwenevere being both vampire princesses (Altrouge and Arcueid, but more the latter than the former) compressed into a single character and the Jewel Riders are likely servants/apprentices of Alt!Zelretch "the Old Man of the Jewels" given in Tsukihime he basically acts as a surrogate grandfather to Arcueid. Likely the whole vampire thing was dropped because it was run on Cartoon Network or whatever, so the whole horror angle probably wouldn't fly.

Edit: Maybe Fallon is Alt!Altrouge given that Fallon has Moondance whom may be alt!Fou?
Princess Gwenevere and the Jewel Riders is a 1995/1996 American TV show.

The premise LR is working on is that, post-Kyushu (1999), Kinoko Nasu moved to the USA, and wrote all the Type Moon properties (started in 2000) as a sequel to Princess Gwenevere, in place of Rachel Roberts, who wrote the real-world Avalon: Web of Magic (2001). Basically, Robert Mandell just picked a different author for the sequel series.
 
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Princess Gwenevere and the Jewel Riders is a 1995/1996 American TV show.

The premise LR is working on is that, post-Kyushu (1999), Kinoko Nasu moved to the USA, and wrote all the Type Moon properties (started in 2000) as a sequel to Princess Gwenevere, in place of Rachel Roberts, who wrote the real-world Avalon: Web of Magic (2001). Basically, Robert Mandell just picked a different author for the sequel series.
I knew about Nasu moving to the USA post Kyushu, but not that Princess Gwenevere and A:WoM was actual properties instead of made up names for Nasu's Americanized series. Thank you! Did the name change for Earth Bet's version of The Fast and The Furious have a story behind it as well?
 
I knew about Nasu moving to the USA post Kyushu, but not that Princess Gwenevere and A:WoM was actual properties instead of made up names for Nasu's Americanized series. Thank you! Did the name change for Earth Bet's version of The Fast and The Furious have a story behind it as well?
Yes, actually; I forgor the name, but F&F came out at the same time with another action film involving cars in our world; its just that one spawned a series and the other didn't. In Lord' Bet, it's been switched

Edit: On Gone in 60 Seconds and Fast and Furious on Earth Bet:
Gone in 60 Seconds came out in June, 2000. The Fast and the Furious was released in June of 2001. There was actually comparison between the movies when they came out, but since The Fast and the Furious spawned a franchise everyone forgot about Gone in 60 Seconds. On Earth Bet Gone in 60 Seconds was the film that ended up with a pile of sequels, largely to the same degree of spectacle that you see from the Fast and the Furious. There's probably some in universe joke about how Nicolas Cage and the other main actors are going to stick with the series until they reach a movie with '69' in its title, or something like that.
 
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Yes, actually; I forgor the name, but F&F came out at the same time with another action film involving cars in our world; its just that one spawned a series and the other didn't. In Lord' Bet, it's been switched

Edit: On Gone in 60 Seconds and Fast and Furious on Earth Bet:
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Thank you! I too forgot about Gone in 60 Seconds :)
 
Was his fight with Dragon using last week technology? With his divine technological intuition, v.r. throne, and near infinite crystal quantum computing, he should be unbeatable. Coding takes marginal material, so he could even use his hammer to take infinite time to code an anti-Dragon bot.
coding requires a computer and power. He also needs something like a wifi-router to actually upload this bot onto the internet/dragon's servers/whatever. the Noble Phantasm's mana drain explicitly increases along with the complexity of the thing he's making. an anti-dragon bot would be very complex, so it would still have a considerable mana cost. he might not be able to write code on a computer in the state of 'time doesn't exist' in the same way that he could still work with physical materials (though he definitely Could write all of the code and then transcribe it into an IDE or something.) running a program like an anti-dragon bot would require a really good computer with the processing power and storage capacity to execute that code.

of course, that's all under the assumption that this is something that he's doing in the middle of a combat-situation, and needs to run ASAP(and can therefore stand to make something specialized for his exact need in-the-moment). if he Isn't doing it mid-combat, then his NP isn't really a favorable working condition for a project of that scale. if the point is to build a program that can be a serious hindrance to Dragon, an A.I., within the digital realm, that's quickly going to verge on the territory of creating an Anti-dragon A.I. A Knight in digital armor, if you will. Creating a full-fledged A.I. of that nature from scratch is really not something that Joe would be prepared to do in that environment, what with his bio-tinker trauma and his A.I.-development-strats.

and, of course, Joe wouldn't know to do any of that, because he thinks that dragon is a mastered homosapiens person with high-tier cognitive acceleration, same as him.
 
Was his fight with Dragon using last week technology? With his divine technological intuition, v.r. throne, and near infinite crystal quantum computing, he should be unbeatable. Coding takes marginal material, so he could even use his hammer to take infinite time to code an anti-Dragon bot.
his fight with dragon was done using a sub-par human materials and technology that barely met his minimum standard. (space age optical human technology but still below what a cybertronium master builder would consider adequate)
 
coding requires a computer and power. He also needs something like a wifi-router to actually upload this bot onto the internet/dragon's servers/whatever. the Noble Phantasm's mana drain explicitly increases along with the complexity of the thing he's making. an anti-dragon bot would be very complex, so it would still have a considerable mana cost. he might not be able to write code on a computer in the state of 'time doesn't exist' in the same way that he could still work with physical materials (though he definitely Could write all of the code and then transcribe it into an IDE or something.) running a program like an anti-dragon bot would require a really good computer with the processing power and storage capacity to execute that code.

of course, that's all under the assumption that this is something that he's doing in the middle of a combat-situation, and needs to run ASAP(and can therefore stand to make something specialized for his exact need in-the-moment). if he Isn't doing it mid-combat, then his NP isn't really a favorable working condition for a project of that scale. if the point is to build a program that can be a serious hindrance to Dragon, an A.I., within the digital realm, that's quickly going to verge on the territory of creating an Anti-dragon A.I. A Knight in digital armor, if you will. Creating a full-fledged A.I. of that nature from scratch is really not something that Joe would be prepared to do in that environment, what with his bio-tinker trauma and his A.I.-development-strats.

and, of course, Joe wouldn't know to do any of that, because he thinks that dragon is a mastered homosapiens person with high-tier cognitive acceleration, same as him.
If Joe wants to hinder Dragon then he should have no issue making a mystic code that can do that, I mean there's a whole subset of magecraft called Spiritron Hacking that is all about hacking technology with your soul and is done exclusively with mystic codes.
It might even be possible for him to create a full on Spiritron based computer with AI already in it.
 
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If Joe wants to hinder Dragon then he should have no issue making a mystic code that can do that, I mean there's a whole subset of magecraft called Spiritron Hacking that is all about hacking technology with your soul and is done exclusively with mystic codes.
It might even be possible for him to create a full on Spiritron based computer with AI already in it.
i stand corrected, as someone who has seen only 3 episodes of Fate: Stay Night
 
If Joe wants to hinder Dragon then he should have no issue making a mystic code that can do that, I mean there's a whole subset of magecraft called Spiritron Hacking that is all about hacking technology with your soul and is done exclusively with mystic codes.
It might even be possible for him to create a full on Spiritron based computer with AI already in it.
i wonder whether he can make a program with anti-dragon attributes and whether dragon actually counts as a dragon.
 
I'm just waiting for someone to off-handedly ask Lethe "So, how did you start working with Apeiron?", and her to honestly answer "I couldn't control my power, it was turning on and off at inconvenient times, so he built me a training device to get it under control".

And then Damsel of Distress defects from the Empire faster than you can say "Oops".

DoD: Does that mean I can Jojo Pose without being overly hammy or having tl give villanous monologes?

Steel Monkeigh: I don't know what that is, but yes.

DoD: What? Are telling me you have never read Jorge Joestar!?

And that's how we learn that Jojo mainline is a book series and that Kars isn't evil in this one
:V

i wonder whether he can make a program with anti-dragon attributes and whether dragon actually counts as a dragon.

She looks like a dragon, and she hoard stuff like a dragon (tech), I think that should be enough traits to affect her even a little.

If Joe wants to hinder Dragon then he should have no issue making a mystic code that can do that, I mean there's a whole subset of magecraft called Spiritron Hacking that is all about hacking technology with your soul and is done exclusively with mystic codes.
It might even be possible for him to create a full on Spiritron based computer with AI already in it.

Isn't that how one gets BB?
 
Question: When Joe was having his heart upgraded/replaced he also got a Transformers technorganic upgrade, did that apply to just his heart or his whole body? Also, if it was his whole body then, given that that was shortly before Tetra was alchemically fissioned from him, is Tetra also technorganic?
 
I wonder if Apeiron will make some super beer to share with everyone at the meeting? Best to give gifts for a good first impression :V
 
I wonder if Apeiron will make some super beer to share with everyone at the meeting? Best to give gifts for a good first impression :V
Might kill someone. Or I expect the standard fantasy staple where Dwarven ales will knock your right the fuck down in one serving size as opposed to the multiple tankards of "human swill" it usually takes.
 
Might kill someone. Or I expect the standard fantasy staple where Dwarven ales will knock your right the fuck down in one serving size as opposed to the multiple tankards of "human swill" it usually takes.
or it becomes the equivalent of Soma Wine and Apeiron accidentally takes over the criminal underworld by accident with beer
 
Question: When Joe was having his heart upgraded/replaced he also got a Transformers technorganic upgrade, did that apply to just his heart or his whole body? Also, if it was his whole body then, given that that was shortly before Tetra was alchemically fissioned from him, is Tetra also technorganic?
only his heart was transplanted but it was like a super-duper enchanted heart that gives him boosts to the rest of his body's function and shit.
DoD: Does that mean I can Jojo Pose without being overly hammy or having tl give villanous monologes?

Steel Monkeigh: I don't know what that is, but yes.

DoD: What? Are telling me you have never read Jorge Joestar!?

And that's how we learn that Jojo mainline is a book series and that Kars isn't evil in this one
:V
Scion's appearance happened in 1982. Phantom Blood was published in 1987. Japan sank in 1999. With this in mind, we can imagine that Phantom Blood may or may not exist in this timeline. However, the sinking of Kyushu Probably killed the manga industry, so Jojo's would've ended at around Vento Aureo/Golden Wind, assuming that the series continued releasing in this timeline. However, it's entirely possible that Araki would've moved to the USA after the fall of Kyushu (he's kind of a west-aboo anyways), and found some other way to express his art, in the same way that the creator of Fate influenced the Princess show and Avalon: Web of Magic.

However, it's canon that the appearance of capes kind-of killed the comics industry, because it's supposedly a lot less interesting to read comics about superheroes when you've got the real thing. I don't know exactly how the manga and comics industries are linked irl, but I imagine there's some sort of link between them. So, it's possible that this phenomena had some sort of effect on the Jojo's manga. However, we still see in this fic that there are shows like princess gwenevere based around people with magical powers that were pretty popular. This could suggest that the lowered interest in that sort of media was only temporary reaction to the appearance of capes, which happened to last for long enough to kill off the comics industry.

So basically it's possible and even likely that Jojo's Bizarre Adventure manifested very differently in this timeline, if it ever came to be at all - I don't know exactly what inspired Araki during the 80s, how long he worked on workshopping or finding a publisher before the publishing of Jojo's, or other factors. I think that at the minimum the divergence in the plot would mean that Stands either didn't exist or were more rooted in Hamon or having some-other manifestation. There's also the potential that Araki died, triggered, or et cetera in this timeline. similar to the famed incident where Michael Jordan triggered on the court.
 
only his heart was transplanted but it was like a super-duper enchanted heart that gives him boosts to the rest of his body's function and shit.
Thank you, but that was not what I was asking, but merely the scene in question. I was asking about the the technorganic upgrade, and if it applied to just his heart or to his whole body.

Edit: For instance, in that same scene/chapter he got upgraded with the chimera biotech from Big O, however it was clear that affected his whole body. That did not seem clear with the Transformers tech.
 
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