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Think that completing learning Wave Force will boost her Ranking?
Battle Action Harem Highschool Side Character Quest (No SV, you are the Waifu)
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Remember too though that the squadrons are swapped on the fly by Stratnet, as we saw in the post-Alaska simulation. A valk can be operating as part of one of their assigned squadrons one moment and then be swapped to another with a different role the next, within the battlespace. I suspect that most of the 20 have two squadron assignments and that the squadron leadership is more administrative and for the purposes of rank / chain of command.
Also, as I noted previously, a way to communicate battlefield wide messages without too many words. 'Last Word has taken the field' sends a different message than 'Pinnacle has taken the field,' for all that both are bad news.
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Probably. Especially if she can help make it more accessible to others.
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it's 5 people out of 20 thousand and rising, which less then 1000 being higher then mook.
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The more important part is that the squadron designation is probably tied to Stratnet's protocols. Pinnacle is likely to be fragmented to cover a larger portion of the front. Orders for them are about putting out bushfires and stomping on conventional hard-points. Last Word, on the other hand is for engaging Type Zeroes, and as such are to be kept together to maximize force concentration. Last word also likely has standing orders to ignore or abandon other engagements in favor of engaging Type Zeroes. Changing squadron designations may be a simpler solution to use in the coding that makes up Stratnet than other options. The squadron designations also inform various levels of command of what the squadron is intended to do, to allow the human parts of the system to keep track of what orders should be given to whom during battle, if jamming should remove access to Stratnet.
And, of course, squadrons are named in two separate themes. Theophagy, Last Word, and Ragnarok, are the presently named Type Zero suppression squadrons. Pinnacle, and probably Deus Ex, are emergency fast response. Just hearing the name* can in an instant tell you what a squadron is for (and thus, how likely they are to save your ass in a given situation), even without access to Stratnet.
*much as you noted in what I quoted
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??? Care to explain the logic, am I missing some jargon???
A bushfire is a tiny, inconsequential fire that can escalate. The implication is that Pinnacle is all about stopping small problems from becoming big ones due to compromised lines of battle.
Also, regarding the names, in order, they're roughly interpretabel as God Eater, Last Word and End of Gods for the Type-Zero suppression squadrons, and Highest Possible and From God for the Fast Response squadrons. Deus Ex is more a reference I expect from the 'Deus ex Machina' term, which is about a convenient literary convention that saves the day. Which is kinda Deus Ex' job when you think about it.
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Bushfire is a metaphor then. Good, I was worried you were being literal about them firefighting.
I feel you're underestimating the emphasis on Emergency Fast. I imagine Pinnacle is generally scrambled when shit hits the fan, like 'Abraxis just came out of its hive.' or 'The Antagonists are about to breakthrough.'. I don't think its worth the concentration of force that a squadron of aces represents for a problem that might escalate.
Of course not. That's what other Emergency Fast Response squadrons in 300 frames are for.
Pinnacle is the 'oh fuck' button for theater scale threats I would expect. Like Abraxis taking a stroll, or a 100 kilometer stretch of the front up and shattering and the Antagonists pouring through.
However, expect that instead of Pinnacle taking the field if Abraxis starts moving the force that takes the field is Last Word.
Type Zero is Type Zero after all.
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The point is that emergency fast response is going to be kept to looser formations. Against anything short of a Type Zero keeping a full squadron of the 300 in a volume less than a few hundred km across is gross overkill. Elements of two or three or flights of four to six are the order of the day.
I think that you are overestimating the ability of average Valkyries and conventional forces to deal with Types. Not once so far have we seen in a simulation how a non ace would deal with a Type on their own, but given how the rest of Flight 1 did against the Dragonflies in the Clean Sweep sim, I suspect that the answer would be 'rather poorly'. Further, waiting for things to go to shit is an excellent way to loose forces or territory that humanity can ill afford at this point.
Note that theater scale is not 100km, but rather things like North America. Against an area of 100km a flight of 4-6 from the 300 should be more than sufficient assuming that no Type Zeroes are present.
Now then, it is possible that there is a third 300 squadron designation for deployments on the standard line of battle, but Avalanche has not named any such. Therefore, at this point it is likely that emergency fast response is for dealing with situations on the main line of battle that exceed the capabilities of the average Valkyrie, such as clusters of Types threatening the line.
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I'm not sure if top level 300 even get deployed as squadrons in the standard line of battle. At the flight level, they can probably provide on call response for other formations. You don't throw Anna into the main line. You toss her at a wing in distress and get results.
This is something very important to remember about this quest; everything happens on a massive scale.
For example our combat ranges are defined as:
- Zero Ranged: <100 meters
- Short Ranged: 100m - 15km
- Medium Range: 15km - 100km
- Long Range: 100km - 600km
- Extreme Ranged: >600km
and it's easy to see that a single battle could stretch over a radius of 500 to a thousand kilometers.
That's not even getting into stuff like Shifting. After all we know Anna going all out, in a highly inefficient manner, covered 400km in less then thirty seconds:
This is important because she notes she could have teleported that distance cheaper:
Basically: battles in BAHHSCQ are massive in both numbers and volume covered.
That depends on a vast number of factors. A 100 kilometer stretch of front that has failed is a threat at the speeds this setting travels and plays at, especially if there's enough Antagonists pouring through. The major threat here is deep raids forced through weakened AA lines and attempts to flank neighbouring sectors of the front.
If this means that a continent wide war effort is about to be compromised, that's a theater scale threat.
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Fair enough. I misread that part of your previous post.
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Also keep verticality in mind. You saw a preview of that with the tournament fights. Hell that shit might go straight up to space in some battles.
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Right finally got around to reading this between work and a million tabs in the browser.
This right here out of everything makes me feel all WAFFY.
Now to read close to 50 pages of comments!
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When I hear this metaphor, it's usually 'brush fire'
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On mobile so I'm afraid I can't provide quote but didn't we see Pinnacle flying as a flight in the America sim? I believe they were described or a least mentioned to be cutting through an equal number of types effortlessly.
While it's not a typical occurance it does suggest that when deployed they deploy as squadrons.
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Anna isn't the only Valk that can hilariously roflstomp everything that isn't a zero.
Now take a squadron of Valks with not quite as much power as Anna. Sure, Anna could stomp most of the squadron with minimal effort, but together, they can carve a nice path through what used to be the line and a squadron or ten of Types.
Now take a squadron of Valks with not quite as much power as Anna. Sure, Anna could stomp most of the squadron with minimal effort, but together, they can carve a nice path through what used to be the line and a squadron or ten of Types.
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Look it seems strongly implied that they were all together when Koujiros started saying 18 was small for a squadron.
Unless you can provide a conflicting source of evidence then I at least am done discussing this.
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What do you mean by all?
Sorry, I have been sleep deprived lately, and can't parse right now.
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Thought - since this story uses the rules of an anime, which is to say it follows narrative rules rather then just real world esque rules of logic, then actions could be looked at as how they provide metaphorical, symbolic or simply spelled out character development. For example choosing to narrate the competition helps show Anna trying to move beyond some of her issues caused by her backstory for good or ill.
Now as noted by some, this choice can go very wrong depending on the follow up. I think these follow up choices help decide if the relatively gritty story we decided on char/world gen is a reconstruction vs a deconstruction. Basically if we go down the wrong rabbit hole we are going to end up like NGE where everything is very very messed up. On the other hand we choose correctly and we get a story about a girl trying to improve herself and how while that is not an easy task, one with setbacks and issues all its own, it is one that is possible.
Just a thought for when we decide things purely out of 'efficiency' or mental health logic that is more in line with real life concerns.
Now as noted by some, this choice can go very wrong depending on the follow up. I think these follow up choices help decide if the relatively gritty story we decided on char/world gen is a reconstruction vs a deconstruction. Basically if we go down the wrong rabbit hole we are going to end up like NGE where everything is very very messed up. On the other hand we choose correctly and we get a story about a girl trying to improve herself and how while that is not an easy task, one with setbacks and issues all its own, it is one that is possible.
Just a thought for when we decide things purely out of 'efficiency' or mental health logic that is more in line with real life concerns.