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Given how rushed operations were during Single Sweep, I disagree that it counts a good example of SOP, but I have no counter citation, so if you wish to leave things as they stand then I shall do so as well.
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Given how rushed operations were during Single Sweep, I disagree that it counts a good example of SOP, but I have no counter citation, so if you wish to leave things as they stand then I shall do so as well.
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My mistake I thought you were Tallamee
Was there any mention of a Valk's top speed (or was it missed in the flood of posts)? Im certain there was mention of how a Valk can go 5km/s so 18000 km/h. But then there is mention as well how the speed limit for Anna's transit from Aus to Jap is 6km/s so its 21600 km/h. So it can be assumed that Valks can go faster than this. Is there a top speed ceiling for Valks?
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When Anna dumped her fusion reactor exhaust, she went roughly 400 km in about 30 seconds, which is about 13.3 km/s.
Alphaleph
The Firstiest of First
that was acceleration.
Also, a bunch of Valks are capable of going to space, so they can go escape velocity.
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Well in space their speed limit would probably be single digit percentages of the speed of light since that is around the point where the various dust and debris they hit would have impacts equvilant to nuclear bombs.
In an atmosphere the greatest speed feat we have is:
Anna pushes her engine to the limit to hit her conventional top speed of 20km/s in 19 seconds, average acceleration of 107 gees, then she does a reactor purge to boost her speed even higher.
Unfortunately we can't really calculate how much higher Anna goes since she bounces up into the Troposphere (6km to 10km up) before her reactor purge. This means she followed some kind of upwards arrow, like ^ , path and thus covered more then the 400km straight between Perth and her destination.
That word; it doesn't mean what you think it means. There is no magical limit speed required to get into space. You can get into, and stay in, space as long as you can maintain greater then 1g of acceleration. There are orbital velocities; speeds at which your traveling fast enough sideways that you don't fall back down but that's quite a different thing since there is almost no friction in space and thus your only concern is Delta-V (IE: how much fuel you have).
Escape velocity meanwhile is the speed needed exit a body's gravitational well, excluding drag and other sources of friction, on a ballistic trajectory. Or put simply; escape velocity is how fast you need to fire something out of a cannon for it to, ignoring the Earth's atmosphere, fly off out of the Earth's sphere of influence and start orbiting the Sun.
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You're asking the wrong question.
Because of Inertial Manipulation what you want to be asking is what limits Valks speeds.
Based on Annas speeding ticket I can give you only a few limiting factors,
- Impeller Control. Not really important on its own merits however this is important enough for 2 and 3 it deserves refactoring out. The ability to efficiently redirect forces and reduce the wear on your shield affects every other thing.
- The power source. I mean technically any power source might do it given sufficient time, a run up, and Impellor control beyond anything seen, however there is no Valk who can truly reduce their air resistance to zero and therefore at some point forces will balance and you have reached terminal velocity. The higher the power output, the faster you're going before that happens.
- Impeller Capacity. There is no difference between running into something at a high speed and it being thrown at you. This means that as you get to the truly high velocities it begins to approach being in a full body particle accelerator. This is probably the practical limit for Ace Valks.
- Do you want to die in a blaze of Glory. I believe the majority of impeller damage Anna suffered was actually in slowing down what with her using her Impeller as a parachute kilometers wide. If you don't need to hold back so that you're still able to stop you can probably go much faster.
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Nice average flight time guess*, but peak velocity on that run was a fair bit higher.
*But while distance divided by time works for average, the math is a little more complicated for instantaneous, and I do enough calculations for schoolwork right now. However, I will leave the formula**: (final velocity) = (acceleration)*(time)+(initial velocity)
**which is the simple version, which does not involve calculus, or accounting for air resistance, or other such things
Sort of true, sort of false. You could have a 10^6 m/s dV but that won't get you out of a gravwell if you can't apply it effectively. Orbital speed for Earth in the lowest orbits is about 8 km/s so if you were to go straight up with an orbital velocity of 0 km/s and then start thrusting sideways to achieve an orbital velocity of 8 km/s it still matters how great your thrust is because you need to be able to achieve that speed before you dip down enough in the atmosphere that your thrusters can't apply enough force to get you out of it again.
That said, given that Valkyries have (apparently) effectively infinite dV at Thrust to Weight ratios of greater than 1 the maximum speed of a Valkyrie in a vacuum is arbitrary.
Lets say that I was thinking about it in regards to 'Valkyrie Core RPG' and what would be believable top speeds for Valks at lower levels.
And if we sum up @Dark as Silver points into "get faster when level up" we can start thinking about what a potential top speed and acceleration for a lvl 1 Valk would be, and how much better an equally equipped, powered and shaped Valk would do at lvl 2.
And would there be a pattern in regards to speed raises, and would all speed's be equal (regardless of impeller skill etc) when they reach a certain level.
And if we sum up @Dark as Silver points into "get faster when level up" we can start thinking about what a potential top speed and acceleration for a lvl 1 Valk would be, and how much better an equally equipped, powered and shaped Valk would do at lvl 2.
And would there be a pattern in regards to speed raises, and would all speed's be equal (regardless of impeller skill etc) when they reach a certain level.
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Well... judging by the conversation between Yukari and Kouji:
Kouji hasn't gotten up past mach 6 (1.5km/s) but getting up to 5km/s is common. And Yukari was asking it of someone she knew hadn't been a valk for long. It's likely that doing zero to five in ten seconds is considered good for cadets and minimum performance for Enlisted.
Just checked, at 1,5km/s hes going 5400km/h , Mach 4.4.
So he's basically going nearly twice the speed of fastest fighter craft made by humanity RL. But could be still reached by hypersonic missiles (with scramjets).
Despite being a noob.
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Blargh, got the estimate of his speed in m/s wrong. Mach 5 is 1,700 m/s, an d Mach 6 is 2,000 m/s.
Point about estimated speeds still stands though.
Alphaleph
The Firstiest of First
Yeah, it looks like standard.
Remember that both Anna and Shuri specifically mention that Shuri can accelerate faster than Anna. Anna pretty much saying it directly, Shuri saying that she could play keep away with Anna if Impeller shenanigans aren't involved.
Remember that both Anna and Shuri specifically mention that Shuri can accelerate faster than Anna. Anna pretty much saying it directly, Shuri saying that she could play keep away with Anna if Impeller shenanigans aren't involved.
I would say that there are three major factors in the top speed/acceleration of a Valkyrie.
1) Inertial Canceling:
This Basic Impeller Skill both allows the Valkyrie to handle high g accelerations and thus allows them to reach their top speeds in a reasonable amount of time. We are explictly told Valkyrie Frames have limits built in to prevent a Valkyrie with a high enough skill from fully using their thrusters:
we then see here what happens when a newbie tries to push their frame to the limit without the appropriate skill:
2) Impeller Field Shaping:
Once you are capable of using your Valkyrie Frame to it's fullest potential there comes the issue of all that nasty atmosphere. Smacking into the air at high speed retards acceleration, top speed, and drains impeller to keep the compression heating from cooking you alive.
This Intermediate Impeller Skill allows a Valkyrie to shape their Impeller Field such that they can maximize their units aerodynamic properties and thus minimize the effects of the atmosphere on them. This is shown by the struggles our less skilled teammates had flying through the wind and the rain during our simulated mission in the USA:
3) Valkyrie Frame
By the time you reach Ace levels such basic skills should be long since mastered. So on the basis of skill alone all high end Valkyries should have similar top speeds. This isn't the case however. The difference comes down to their frame designs.
Shuri for example has a Valkyrie Frame optimized for close range combat and thus has better acceleration and a peak velocity then Anna whose Valkyrie Frame is a generalist:
Which makes sense since for close combat to be viable such a combatant would need higher acceleration to ensure her target can't dart around her and higher speed to ensure her target can't kite her.
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Hey its' like my post but better in every way. Good job using sources.
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Sooo. Just read everything, a few things to note:
1) I liked the Astronomy and Architecture club introductions, would like to see the Anna visit them again sometime.
2) I still remember that the Anna also liked bacon.
3) I think that Blue Wave (long-range option) is a better development path, mostly because it's more in line with the Ginnungagap Cannon design idea.
4) I worry that main character might be targeted by Lunar Death Beam (because Ginnungagap Cannon sounds like a mouthful and is also counterintuitive)
5) God-Cannon is an acceptable name substitute for Lunar Death Beam, even if sadly not quite enough on the nose for my tastes.
6) The format of character descriptions makes it really difficult to read from mobile. Too much space taken by the boxes, pushing the actual written words to a far narrow a space.
7) I wonder if Anna will ever visit the Baking Club again, in the morning. Just to learn why exactly her oh-so-finely-crushed flour was not suitable for product making - and how to do better. Of course, I wouldn't object to the repeat of the Cooking Club Incident.
8) Speaking of which, I wonder how Sandra would react to learning Anna has substituted natural bodily processes with fine manipulation of Impeller field. And is it at all common anyway?
9) Speaking of which, I wonder if it's possible to design an Enherjahr Core (i.e. as Valkyrie Core, with all the core functions - but much more cheaper, compatible with nearly all of humanity, at the cost of effectiveness - basically a mass produced cheap knockoff).
Now, let's take a look at all the informational posts.
You've previously claimed that our starting choices would have influenced the tone of the series. Automation vs Personal Prowess, you said.
Question - would humanity still be winning had we had temerity enough to pick all the bleak choices for character generation?
On that note, Praise The Sun* that Sandra is a positive-outlook option. Seriously, she's like literally the glue holding the Flight One together. We'd expect Shuri and Anna to clash severely in short order, which may or may not set Coke-Zero and Setsuna adrift from the two Aces as well.
* Praise The Sun: Man gives innumerable prayers to Heaven for salvation. Heaven replies with nothing but death to recompense Man. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. On the other hand, considering that energy output of the star our planet is orbiting kept Anna alive through the first years of her vigil (what with solar panels recharging her equipment), I dictate that Sun is no part of Heaven and has actually proven beneficial. Therefore, not inappropriate.
All the more reason to put your backs into it and actually find a way to produce new cores artificially. Quest-Humanity even managed artificial Higgs generators - even if they suck very much compared to naturally harvested article...
...Only one thing left to do -pet fluffy tail read Apocrypha. TT4N!
1) I liked the Astronomy and Architecture club introductions, would like to see the Anna visit them again sometime.
2) I still remember that the Anna also liked bacon.
3) I think that Blue Wave (long-range option) is a better development path, mostly because it's more in line with the Ginnungagap Cannon design idea.
4) I worry that main character might be targeted by Lunar Death Beam (because Ginnungagap Cannon sounds like a mouthful and is also counterintuitive)
5) God-Cannon is an acceptable name substitute for Lunar Death Beam, even if sadly not quite enough on the nose for my tastes.
6) The format of character descriptions makes it really difficult to read from mobile. Too much space taken by the boxes, pushing the actual written words to a far narrow a space.
7) I wonder if Anna will ever visit the Baking Club again, in the morning. Just to learn why exactly her oh-so-finely-crushed flour was not suitable for product making - and how to do better. Of course, I wouldn't object to the repeat of the Cooking Club Incident.
8) Speaking of which, I wonder how Sandra would react to learning Anna has substituted natural bodily processes with fine manipulation of Impeller field. And is it at all common anyway?
9) Speaking of which, I wonder if it's possible to design an Enherjahr Core (i.e. as Valkyrie Core, with all the core functions - but much more cheaper, compatible with nearly all of humanity, at the cost of effectiveness - basically a mass produced cheap knockoff).
Now, let's take a look at all the informational posts.
Question then.
You've previously claimed that our starting choices would have influenced the tone of the series. Automation vs Personal Prowess, you said.
Question - would humanity still be winning had we had temerity enough to pick all the bleak choices for character generation?
On that note, Praise The Sun* that Sandra is a positive-outlook option. Seriously, she's like literally the glue holding the Flight One together. We'd expect Shuri and Anna to clash severely in short order, which may or may not set Coke-Zero and Setsuna adrift from the two Aces as well.
* Praise The Sun: Man gives innumerable prayers to Heaven for salvation. Heaven replies with nothing but death to recompense Man. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. On the other hand, considering that energy output of the star our planet is orbiting kept Anna alive through the first years of her vigil (what with solar panels recharging her equipment), I dictate that Sun is no part of Heaven and has actually proven beneficial. Therefore, not inappropriate.
Hmmm. Okay, I stand corrected. The supposed Enherjar Project (see point 9) is probably something that ought to be sought out heavily. Assuming that prolonged use of a Core improves general compatibility, having the "training wheels" version of the Core that can connect to just about everyone is a sound investment.
Or at least, it could have been, had Valkyrie Cores been manufactured, rather than found.
All the more reason to put your backs into it and actually find a way to produce new cores artificially. Quest-Humanity even managed artificial Higgs generators - even if they suck very much compared to naturally harvested article...
...Only one thing left to do -
Alphaleph
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Yes, it's common among the higher end Valks.
The Cores are Black Box tech, they can't crack it open let alone making a copy.
Nope, not at all.
Compatibility is a case by case basis. The only Cores that does not have compatibility issue are the 300 Cores.
No they don't.
Though one would think that by now humanity should have a good enough grounding in science to try for cheep knockoffs, but then again all of a VC power really lies in its impeller. And since AG's have them too Higgs are involved somehow. And per WoG any captured Higgs generator is a prize everyone fight over.
Then there is the issue of AG's needing to recharge their generators, unlike Valks who just need electric power (Higgs particle generators powered by electricity in a VC?).
Humanity only has access to 7 breaches to harness Higgs particles, of which 3 were captured recently in NA.
I must admit that a chance for Higg's powered, Impeller generating drones, to replace the standard drones in a Valks loadout, seems quite tempting.
It actually strikes me as odd that Anna would so easily disregard the "solar power charging period" out of her day schedule like we see in the story. We do see her unfolding her panels once, and remarking how her new generators make them obsolete, and it is "logical" for her to stop it. But after 9? years of constant breaks for solar power charging one would expect her to just randomly go outside the arcology, sit down with her panels unfolded, and suddenly wonder why is she doing that.
Alternatively it would be nice to see her go for a trip to space and unfold her panels there, to see how well they charge without any interference.
A -5 world would have been bad. Here is a rough overview of the possibilities of happiness/bleakness:
We chose ended up with a -1 world which puts us bad but not without hope.
Do remember that Anna spent a couple months in the UN Alaska base before coming to Perth. Odds are she trained herself out of the habit there.
Alphaleph
The Firstiest of First
False. The ones with generators are T0s and they don"t need to recharge.
And all breaches in Human territory are destroyed not captured.
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Wait, they don't?
Ah, amendment to my previous post. Not Higgs generators. Higgs engines.
I was mistaken, it's a very different function.
Why is this post not included in the informational posts on the first page, I will not know.
Though noting that permanent suspension of functions is rarer. Combat suspension is common yeah.
I was under the impression that Anna defeated Sekhmet in part due to it being low on power and needing to recharge, and was intercepted before coming back to base.
And that there was clear mention of human installations being set up where breaches existed to harness Higgs, or did I read that wrong?
Yes, this wording can be an issue, thank you for reminding me about it.