I'm hoping the UN will have managed to create Blue Wave Force Cannons by that point. It would still take notable time for the AG's to cross the light second of distance. If they can't just teleport to the other side of the planet, they'd have some difficulty covering the distance conventionally. The tech in setting is crazy enough to enable actual stealth in space, to the UN would be able to set up layers of expendable drone ambushes.
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SaltyWaffles
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Okay, but then consider: the existing God Gun design manages to accurately hit a target (and not, say, the entire surrounding region) from Lunar orbit, without a nozzle. Blue Wave gives you much greater range and accuracy for the same energy. Since the God Gun's existing design already has the necessary range and accuracy without that, utilizing Blue Wave principles/techniques would (theoretically) allow for the same effect for less energy.
Almost certainly a Class-A Type Zero.
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Which isn't the problem with firing it multiple times: it's the calculations and calibrations they have to do for each firing.
SaltyWaffles
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Right, but I imagine those calculations and calibrations won't be as difficult (or numerous) when dealing with a God Gun tailored for Blue Wave functionality, since it's far less of a brute-forced solution. I mean, I could totally be wrong, but if I'm grasping the basic concepts correctly, then it would be a logical conclusion.
Considering that Blue Wave is an advanced version of the Wave Force, I would guess it's actually more complicated.
Also, the big issue seems to be the fact that the G-Gun fucks up the surrounding area, which seems to happen even with Static Wave. No real way to compensate for that.
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I think if the Humans would lose that clash, it might have already happened. Maybe if we don't stop those minor breaches merging.
Probably the A-class, but who knows?
Aranfan
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I definitely want the G-Gun to be guarded by a ton of Valks with Static Wave. Then the Type-Zeros would die much faster than would otherwise be the case.
Reminder that Instructor Vivas is part of the Twenty, so she can't be called representative for instructors in general.
Reminder that Instructor Vivas is part of the Twenty, so she can't be called representative for instructors in general.
SaltyWaffles
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Oh, I figured that she was pretty high up there, if not in the Twenty. But if even ten Valks become proficient in Blue Wave in the next five years, that's still a big deal. A lot of potential for killing Type-Zeroes.
Perhaps it was just me, but my interpretation of the section of the update/mechanic was that further development in the Wave Force on Anna's part will translate into more Valks being able to pick up the technique more readily (and perhaps accelerating or refining technological applications/adaptations of the technique).
An important thing to remember is that the 300 are limited in their potential (though their potential is obviously really high)--their Valk frames are preset to a certain (top-notch) configuration, but they can't go any higher or add anything new. Wave Force changes that dynamic by giving the best of them a new weapon that can deal devastating, single-strike damage against even a Type-Zero, with no new equipment or Valk-auto-improvement (that the 300 frames lack).
I am wondering when Anna will finally consent to a medical exam (I believe that was a thing, right?), and when the UN will realize that Anna integrated herself into her Valk frame, giving her the enormous potential-over-time that she has/had. The last update even hinted at one of the major benefits of this: vastly improved/streamlined processing capabilities, courtesy of integrating her brain into her Valk frame (or Valk core? Not sure which is the right term here), which is a big part of how she makes her particle accelerators work as well as they do. I'm also wondering when the UN will start figuring out how Anna developed Durga into the unique Valk frame that's roughly on par with a 300 frame (albeit with far less consistency across the board that 300 frames have when it comes to quality/performance)--like her exotic-matter surfaces and energy-absorbing dynamo. I imagine those came from integrating parts from various Types that she killed and scavenged? Has Anna explained any of this to UN scientists or officials?
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90% of such questions have answers.
Based on this WOG post, we can observe that A - Abraxas is obviously not deterred by a regular combat fleet. Since the UN feels the need to bolster such a fleet with both 300 suits and multiple valk battleships, we can conclude with a 99% certainty that Abraxas would skull$&@! a lone valk battleship.
Also the fact that the Vae Victis scenario as per Post 14 hasn't been carried out successfully. If it only took one valk battleship to hold off Abraxas, or hell, if it only took several Valk battleships to hold off Abraxas, Vae Victis would have been carried out already simply because the resource cost would be too low to justify not doing it and not getting the "life insurance" of an extrasolar colony.
In summary we conclude that Class A are the strongest things in the setting.
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Icipall
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Makes me wonder what Antags are going to come up with to counter that.
S class type zeroes and type 2 spam i'd wager
Icipall
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Or something completely new, like Antagonist Battleships.
SaltyWaffles
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Er...they kinda are? Aside from the Type-Zeroes, AGs more or less act like automated combat systems acted in per-programmed manners. This is exemplified by the fact that the first sign that a Type-Zero is in the area is AGs acting in non-standard ways.
EDIT: It's also rather bizarre to suggest that the AGs can just "kick up their economy into producing more war gear"--that's all they've been doing, more or less, when not constructing new breaches or bases. And considering that they could have won the war already if they had the capacity to just kick up their economy at will, it's safe to assume that they can't do that.
Not to mention the fact that Type-Zero production rates (one per breach per year, with major breaches producing higher-class Type-Zeroes) already give the AGs a big edge. It's safe to assume that producing Type-Zeroes faster than the UN can kill them (especially the higher-class ones) IS the AGs pulling out all the stops.
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Antagonists are mostly robots already.
For me I keep having the thought that the Antagonists on Earth are simply colonization forces. After all no more are appearing and all antagonist strains are said to be built in the beaches so if things must escalate it could possibly be the Antagonists of Earth calling in reinforcements.
SaltyWaffles
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If they could do that, they already would have. That, or the one-per-breach-per-year production of Type-Zeroes are the reinforcements.
Diazo
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When the Golden Ace back up by a flight of named character Valkyries is saying things like this after only 30 seconds of combat, it is perhaps the best statement I've seen to describe just how powerful Type 0's actually are and how big a threat they represent to the UN forces.
As excellent as this quest is, one of its downsides is that we have a distorted feel for how dangerous Type 0's actually are.
I realize this is pretty much necessitated by the fact that our viewpoint character is Anna who is a Valkyrie who can match a Type 0 in combat. We also get the conversations about what Type 0's have done, such as the wall in the instructor's lounge and similar. But this is all intellectual, we've never had that on the ground POV of combat against a Type 0 when Anna is not present to see just how overpowering they are.
Without that POV we just don't get the feel for how dangerous they actually are. I am hopeful that later in the quest as the focal point leaves the Academy that we will see more battlefield POVs that make us experience that feeling. The writing quality is certainly there for it, I'm just not sure if a non-Anna POV can be worked in for long enough to do this for us.
Still, been watching the thread for months and going to keep watching it, perhaps my favorite story on this site.
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Are they though? We know there are at least 14 dead Type Zeroes and that number comes from the three hardest to kill Classes (A+B+C). Factoring in Class D and E I've previously estimated a total kill count of thirty. Over the seven years the UN has been fighting the Type Zeroes, until 2163 they thought Indra and Abraxas were just weird Antagonists rather then a new line of Types, that averages out to four per year.
Now admittedly that is lower then the six per year the Antagonists pump out however I suspect those kills are weighted towards the present rather then averaged out. So I wouldn't be surprised if the population growth of Type Zeroes is close to, if not at, zero.
That said the problem, as you somewhat mention, would be the build up of higher Classed Type Zeroes since the deaths are heavily weighted towards the lower Class ones.
Imrix
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Worth noting: Avalanche has stated that in the -1 world this quest is set in, the UN is winning the war. The grim tone comes not from any realistic chance of humanity being overcome, but in the terrible toll that eventual victory is extracting. That in mind, I'd be very surprised if the number of Type Zero's was on the rise.
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Shearing is the verb you're looking for.
I'm also pretty sure the UN has no idea how long Anna has been synched. Yep, there it is.
Any further commentary will be delayed by me going to the gym or forgetting everything I had to say after an incredibly cold shower (a part of the boiler broke at around 2 AM).
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I honestly don't think that the Blue Wave is that useful a model for the G-Gun. Why? Because, although it extends our Anna's range immensely, it's nature as a beam attack would serve poorly for what is essentially a planetary siege cannon. To elaborate:
1. First up, of the Waves, Blue causes the LEAST amount of collateral damage, especially if not fired parallel to the ground. This is something of a problem, since the point of a seige cannon is to cause maximum havoc with each shot. And since the G-Gun has an estimated RoF of once a month, they're probably hoping for something that levels a Major Breach single handidly.
2. Say it with me now: overpenetration. Much has been made about the fact that the Blue Wave has effectively infinite range (still dubious over the idea that it may actually be infinite), but has no one considered the idea about what that means when firing DOWN? Worst case scenario, your hitting two targets: an entry point and an exit wound. G-Gun really wants a surface detonation of some kind, which, extrapolating from the reduced damage of Blue Wave, your unlikely to get.
3. Finally, on a somewhat unrelated note, the G-Gun is probably, in all the important ways, already completed. Yes yes, they haven't actually finished construction or anything, but you don't start investing a significant percentage of your entire economy into building something like this, if you don't already know that it's going to work.
Honestly, Red Wave would be just as, if not more beneficial to Ginnungagap, since it could give them ideas about how to upgrade from "absolute havoc" to "total erasure of the target". Getting both is probably a better idea though.
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1. First up, of the Waves, Blue causes the LEAST amount of collateral damage, especially if not fired parallel to the ground. This is something of a problem, since the point of a seige cannon is to cause maximum havoc with each shot. And since the G-Gun has an estimated RoF of once a month, they're probably hoping for something that levels a Major Breach single handidly.
2. Say it with me now: overpenetration. Much has been made about the fact that the Blue Wave has effectively infinite range (still dubious over the idea that it may actually be infinite), but has no one considered the idea about what that means when firing DOWN? Worst case scenario, your hitting two targets: an entry point and an exit wound. G-Gun really wants a surface detonation of some kind, which, extrapolating from the reduced damage of Blue Wave, your unlikely to get.
3. Finally, on a somewhat unrelated note, the G-Gun is probably, in all the important ways, already completed. Yes yes, they haven't actually finished construction or anything, but you don't start investing a significant percentage of your entire economy into building something like this, if you don't already know that it's going to work.
Honestly, Red Wave would be just as, if not more beneficial to Ginnungagap, since it could give them ideas about how to upgrade from "absolute havoc" to "total erasure of the target". Getting both is probably a better idea though.
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@LordsFire - Great Omake. Loved how you showed both how terrifying facing a Type-Zero is for even skilled Valkyries and how terrifying facing Anna is even for Type Zeros. Just one small problem:
Medusa is quite explicitly dead:
Medusa is quite explicitly dead:
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... Clearly a clerical error!
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