Bread-chan [unless Avalanche wrote it as bread chan or something, idk]

Are—

Why are you using scare quotes here?

When you post two hyphens with a space on either side, Word converts it into an en dash. An en dash indicates a span of numbers, e.g. pages 141–58. En dashes are also used to connect a prefix to a proper open compound: for example, pre–World War II. In that example, "pre" is connected to the open compound "World War II" and therefore has to do a little extra work (to bridge the space between the two words it modifies—space that cannot be besmirched by hyphens because "World War II" is a proper noun). Now, that is a rather fussy use of the en dash that many people ignore, preferring the hyphen. [I copied this from here because I'm a lazy shit atm.]

What you need is an em dash. They're used for parenthetical remarks, to indicate a person stopped talking in the middle of a sentence, to break off dialogue with an action but no dialogue tag... A lot of stuff can be done with them.

some way to—

So yeah, I'm not linking a lot of sources because phone is not feeling cooperative today. Still, I'll find some if you want something credible instead of a sleep deprived me.

Sentence got cut off there.

K, I intended all of that except the cutoff empty skulls part (fixed). The "are" was left hanging as a minimalist way of conveying that that post doesn't end there. The scare quotes are used because Anna isn't actually looking at the net, she's processing it straight into her brain. The dashes are -- because I wrote the omake in SV's post box instead of bothering to take the time to use an application like I usually would. The breachan... Idgaf. Unintended, I suppose, but it works just fine in the context of that post being gushy, ditzy, etc.

I could have done the hanging are better. Probably should have, really. But, eh, was a rush job omake.

I almost lightly chewed you out for the full paragraph lecture on en/em dashes, then realized that there's actually a difference.

Instead, you're going to get the "let me explain the purpose of language" lecture.

The purpose of language is to convey meaning. For this reason, language is kept fairly consistent. However, one notes that, despite "sis" not being listed in any dictionary as an actual word, a great number of english speakers will recognize "sis" as sharing the same meaning as "sister." We would not use "sis" in that way if it was also a word with another meaning (unless it was sufficiently obscure so as to not blur the meaning we are trying to convey when we are conversing).

What's my point? Simple: despite "sis" not being listed as a word, it succeeds in conveying meaning. It fulfils the purpose of language.

Now, writing is generally held to an even higher standard of consistency than speech, because it is often left to convey meaning without on-demand clarifications being available. Therefore in writing especially it is important that great precautions be taken to avoid misinterpretation.

Hence the couple-of-pixel difference between the em dash and the en dash, which are used for different purposes.

However, one must note that no situation exists where, by the definition you have provided for en dash usage, an en dash would be employed with spaces on both sides of it -- like so.

Then what could such a usage of an en dash indicate? The fact of the matter is that I have, I Am, others are, and others have used en dashes in such a way for the same purpose as an em dash would normally be employed. It's even more clear, because the spaces are much more noticable than the added two pixels. Tell me, when I used that dash, was the meaning unclear to you at all? Did I fail to fulfil the purpose of language?

*rolls eyes*

If the usage was unclear to you, now it's not. It's not that uncommon, either, so now you've learned of a new way to clearly communicate meaning. If the usage wasn't unclear to you, what was I doing wrong?

Now, I'm going to admit here that I went way overboard on you here. But quite frankly I was less than impressed with the way you immediately went ahead and laid out a full paragraph of what em and en dashes are, the way you assumed that the explanation for my usage was that I was ignorant.

Let me tell you a secret:

I don't have an em dash or en dash anywhere on this keyboard. I have no way to get that piece of punctuation into this post without copying it from somewhere else (to the best of my knowledge).

Given that I was using this same setup to write my post?

So, yes. Thank you, for telling me to use something I can't access conveniently instead of something I can, despite my having already provided an effective and convenient substitute for it.

I'm going to recognize that you're sleep deprived, and that you really, truly don't deserve to have me giving you this kind of reply over a single paragraph. I'm also going to admit that I get very, very defensive about my grammar, and that that defensiveness is not necessarily needed or rational. For that reason, I'm going to go hug your post.

Next time, please confirm before proceeding to inform me so thoroughly.

/claws

Edit: also, just fucking because...

Wikipedia said:
In most uses of en dashes, such as when used in indicating ranges, they are closed up to the joined words. It is only when en dashes take the role of em dashes – for example, in setting off parenthetical statements such as this one – that they take spaces around them.[28] For more on the choice of em versus en in this context, see En dash versus em dash.
 
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You know, if this discussion was in PMs, the thread would lose nothing by its absence. Discussion involving the meaning and intended usage of punctuation can be relevant, but it isn't particularly when it's being directed at an omake writer rather than the thread's actual author.

Kaizuki shouldn't have to defend his/her omakes of Avalanche's story in Avalanche's thread.
 
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I don't have an em dash or en dash anywhere on this keyboard.
Sorta true, except...
I have no way to get that piece of punctuation into this post without copying it from somewhere else (to the best of my knowledge).
You can. Try pressing ALT + 0151 for the em dash or ALT + 0150 for an en dash.

So your point seems to be, "I don't want a grammar lesson, so I'm gonna be an asshole to you after you had the worst week."

I could literally go on for paragraphs about how everything you said is wrong, but needlessly cluttering the thread while I'm emotionally too vulcano-ish is a bad idea.

Anyway, I'm still wondering why Anna got >68 000 for her rating. There aren't enough actual users of Valkyries for that to be true. IIRC, something like 20k Valks, but Anna has >30 000? IDK how that worked out, so might as well ask for clarification.
 
You know, if this discussion was in PMs, the thread would lose nothing by its absence. Discussion involving the meaning and intended usage of punctuation can be relevant, but it isn't particularly when it's being directed at an omake writer rather than the thread's actual author.

Kaizuki shouldn't have to defend his/her omakes of Avalanche's story in Avalanche's thread.

*blinks*

Ah, that's... Quite true. I don't use the PM function nearly enough.

I think most of the irrelevance can be attributed to me, though. Nobody would have minded if blood had made that exact post without the em/en stuff, the rest was just suggested corrections.

*smiles*

Fortunately, I appear to have enough pull to get away with a bit of irrelevance.
Pls no mods for this kthx

Sorta true, except...

You can. Try pressing ALT + 0151 for the em dash or ALT + 0150 for an en dash.

So your point seems to be, "I don't want a grammar lesson, so I'm gonna be an asshole to you after you had the worst week."

I could literally go on for paragraphs about how everything you said is wrong, but needlessly cluttering the thread while I'm emotionally too vulcano-ish is a bad idea.

Anyway, I'm still wondering why Anna got >68 000 for her rating. There aren't enough actual users of Valkyries for that to be true. IIRC, something like 20k Valks, but Anna has >30 000? IDK how that worked out, so might as well ask for clarification.

Stop. I will PM you, and we will sort this out there, because as you say, you've had a shit week, you're tired, and you've really obviously not read the post in its entirety. Or the thread.
 
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Sorta true, except...

You can. Try pressing ALT + 0151 for the em dash or ALT + 0150 for an en dash.

So your point seems to be, "I don't want a grammar lesson, so I'm gonna be an asshole to you after you had the worst week."

I could literally go on for paragraphs about how everything you said is wrong, but needlessly cluttering the thread while I'm emotionally too vulcano-ish is a bad idea.

Anyway, I'm still wondering why Anna got >68 000 for her rating. There aren't enough actual users of Valkyries for that to be true. IIRC, something like 20k Valks, but Anna has >30 000? IDK how that worked out, so might as well ask for clarification.
That is Anna's battle rating
 
That is Anna's battle rating
I meant as in how there can be 20k Valks and Anna canonically has >30k. So the omake came up and it had >68k and publicly released classified information about her rating on a forum anyone can access. I was wondering if that was done for the reactions or if there is even a remote chance that this works more like power levels than ratings.
I mean, it's got almost 500 pages. I'm a reader, I'm not yet in the obsession between story updates.
Ah, that's... Quite true. I don't use the PM function nearly enough.
Prolly my fault as well; I'm not really used to using it.

EDIT: Got the PM. Ignore my question for the rankings.
 
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My interpretation of the battle rating was that it was a measurement of some sort. It could be how many of the most basic type of Antagonists one person can take on their own, whether that's how many they have beaten in simulations, in live combat, or whether it's just a guess in Anna's case. So Coke-Zero might have a combat rating of 50 while Shuri would probably have one in the low ten thousands. Or it could be based on their maximum output of Impeller or just representative of how many tons of TNT they would be equivalent to if they used all of their weapons. Or I could just be over analysing this and the only important fact is that it's over 9000.
 
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I meant as in how there can be 20k Valks and Anna canonically has >30k.
Because that's how rating systems work. Like the ELO rating system. It's a measure of Valkyries' comparative combat abilities. What you're suggesting wouldn't be useful at all.

Ordinary cadets are in the hundreds; Setsuna had a rating of 930 and was noted to be one of four in their class with a score above 900, not counting Anna, Shuri, or Syifa. Sandra was 790, and Syifa Wulandari, who was noted to be elite-level, was 4,500.
 
The rating score is probably some composite number that is built from a multitude of different skills, in much the same way that a SAT score is a composite of maths and writing and reading comp. The component parts that are factored into combat rating could include accuracy in target identification, hit percentage, weapon firepower, impeller strength, valkyrie frame complexity score, and a few more that I cannot think of right now.
 
K, I intended all of that except the cutoff empty skulls part (fixed). The "are" was left hanging as a minimalist way of conveying that that post doesn't end there. The scare quotes are used because Anna isn't actually looking at the net, she's processing it straight into her brain. The dashes are -- because I wrote the omake in SV's post box instead of bothering to take the time to use an application like I usually would. The breachan... Idgaf. Unintended, I suppose, but it works just fine in the context of that post being gushy, ditzy, etc.

I could have done the hanging are better. Probably should have, really. But, eh, was a rush job omake.

I almost lightly chewed you out for the full paragraph lecture on en/em dashes, then realized that there's actually a difference.

Instead, you're going to get the "let me explain the purpose of language" lecture.

The purpose of language is to convey meaning. For this reason, language is kept fairly consistent. However, one notes that, despite "sis" not being listed in any dictionary as an actual word, a great number of english speakers will recognize "sis" as sharing the same meaning as "sister." We would not use "sis" in that way if it was also a word with another meaning (unless it was sufficiently obscure so as to not blur the meaning we are trying to convey when we are conversing).

What's my point? Simple: despite "sis" not being listed as a word, it succeeds in conveying meaning. It fulfils the purpose of language.

Now, writing is generally held to an even higher standard of consistency than speech, because it is often left to convey meaning without on-demand clarifications being available. Therefore in writing especially it is important that great precautions be taken to avoid misinterpretation.

Hence the couple-of-pixel difference between the em dash and the en dash, which are used for different purposes.

However, one must note that no situation exists where, by the definition you have provided for en dash usage, an en dash would be employed with spaces on both sides of it -- like so.

Then what could such a usage of an en dash indicate? The fact of the matter is that I have, I Am, others are, and others have used en dashes in such a way for the same purpose as an em dash would normally be employed. It's even more clear, because the spaces are much more noticable than the added two pixels. Tell me, when I used that dash, was the meaning unclear to you at all? Did I fail to fulfil the purpose of language?

*rolls eyes*

If the usage was unclear to you, now it's not. It's not that uncommon, either, so now you've learned of a new way to clearly communicate meaning. If the usage wasn't unclear to you, what was I doing wrong?

Now, I'm going to admit here that I went way overboard on you here. But quite frankly I was less than impressed with the way you immediately went ahead and laid out a full paragraph of what em and en dashes are, the way you assumed that the explanation for my usage was that I was ignorant.

Let me tell you a secret:

I don't have an em dash or en dash anywhere on this keyboard. I have no way to get that piece of punctuation into this post without copying it from somewhere else (to the best of my knowledge).

Given that I was using this same setup to write my post?

So, yes. Thank you, for telling me to use something I can't access conveniently instead of something I can, despite my having already provided an effective and convenient substitute for it.

I'm going to recognize that you're sleep deprived, and that you really, truly don't deserve to have me giving you this kind of reply over a single paragraph. I'm also going to admit that I get very, very defensive about my grammar, and that that defensiveness is not necessarily needed or rational. For that reason, I'm going to go hug your post.

Next time, please confirm before proceeding to inform me so thoroughly.

/claws

Edit: also, just fucking because...
Cats got claws. Find a scratching post, catnip, laser pointer, whatever calms you down. Bludflag shouldn't be grammar naziing so hard but this has clearly gotten to you more than it ought to.
 
*pets*~desu

Anyway, good omake, would have switched out the numbers in the tag for ({CLASSIFIED)(CLASSIFIED) on Anna's name, causing even more consternation.

Consternation, yes. But not the kind of "WTF! OP!" that I wanted. I did consider doing exactly what you're suggesting, though. It certainly would have bee more realistic.
 
How about (CLASSIFIED) (1)? Rank-1 Valk is enough to make people WTF hard, and then the classified rating makes people go beyond even "that can't be right" all the way to "that must be right, what is even happening, how".
 
How about (CLASSIFIED) (1)? Rank-1 Valk is enough to make people WTF hard, and then the classified rating makes people go beyond even "that can't be right" all the way to "that must be right, what is even happening, how".

Would probably work very well. Not sure how much sense classifying one but not both makes though... *shrug*
 
It doesn't work for the omake, but I would just have (1) without a combat rating at all and have people making the mistake that her combat rating is actually 1, because the alternative is so far out of comprehension... e: that might be the subject for a different alternate omake, actually...
 
It doesn't work for the omake, but I would just have (1) without a combat rating at all and have people making the mistake that her combat rating is actually 1, because the alternative is so far out of comprehension... e: that might be the subject for a different alternate omake, actually...
And then there would be the assholes who'd think that Anna would be easy bullying material because of that.
 
And then there would be the assholes who'd think that Anna would be easy bullying material because of that.

Well, they wouldn't be wrong.

Until they meet the rest of the flight. Shuri's the most likely to be 'well, grow a thicker skin then,' and even if she ends up with that as a first reaction only a little prodding by Sandra would be enough to flip that over into protective wrath. Setsuna might laugh to herself at first at Anna's ineptness and then be horrified.
 
Would probably work very well. Not sure how much sense classifying one but not both makes though... *shrug*
The 300 rank doesn't reveal anything other than "is a very strong valk"; even the rank 1 Valk is still on the same scale. A combat rating of 85k, on the other hand, demonstrates the existence of something that would be a fundamental revolution in military capabilities. Like, if that score is because she can fight Type 0s, then they can't reveal it because it'd imply the existence of Wave Force Manipulation. Same way IRL we hid the Manhattan Project as much as we physically could.
 
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