Septic tanks... You could have Anna make huge ones which, strangely enough, last an entire year.

Yes, septic tanks can last an entire year.
Some systems require pumping every few years or sooner, while others may be able to go 10–20 years between pumpings. An older system with an undersize tank that is being used by a large family will require much more frequent pumping than a new system used by only a few people.
Since Anna doesn't skimp on doing things, it'll probably be one of the better ones; she's in the future, they ought to have a good design available.

Septic tank - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ultimately, you shouldn't focus much on it. Focusing on architecture will bog you down with a lot of research that doesn't answer your questions. Maybe make the questers build them and just leave it in the background afterwards? Heck, it's the owner's responsibility to keep those clean, not the builder's.

But why did you decide to make it a quest? I'm... not really sure it would work out well. We know what's going to happen; Anna's terribly depressing background. It doesn't seem like an appealing premise that would draw in questers; they usually aim for good ends, not breaking the main character. It just seems like something that would require a lot of GM railroading.
 
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Ugh. I'm faced with the problem of having developed huge insights into Anna's past in the process of prepping Gaiden Quest and being unable to share them because now they're spoilers. *Sigh*

On the upside when it gets going people are going to be falling over themselves on some of this stuff. I've toyed with the idea of textdumping some of it to senpai in case he hasn't thought of it... Idk.

Urf. Another topic. Sewage systems. One of the big things we know about Anna's year of peace is that she got running water + electricity on. That doesn't necessarily mean sewage as well, but... It's Anna. She doesn't half-ass things. Anyway, I'm torn between arranging for there to be a real sewage system (requires far-fetched justification or a rework of my current backstory) and running on septic tanks. But I don't see how Anna could get a septic tank system running when, well, part of the problem is probably the septic tanks. 'Cause when they fill up, you're done.

Anybody got any thoughts on this?

... Maybe I should just go study urban planning >.>

Research is never a bad thing, especially when you want to create a believable setting. So yes, it would be a good idea for you to study that.

I also suggest you study stuff like the effect of war on civillians and places that where under siege (Fun fact, I actually did some minor research on PTSD for an omake I haven't gotten around to writing yet)
 
Ugh. I'm faced with the problem of having developed huge insights into Anna's past in the process of prepping Gaiden Quest and being unable to share them because now they're spoilers. *Sigh*

On the upside when it gets going people are going to be falling over themselves on some of this stuff. I've toyed with the idea of textdumping some of it to senpai in case he hasn't thought of it... Idk.

Urf. Another topic. Sewage systems. One of the big things we know about Anna's year of peace is that she got running water + electricity on. That doesn't necessarily mean sewage as well, but... It's Anna. She doesn't half-ass things. Anyway, I'm torn between arranging for there to be a real sewage system (requires far-fetched justification or a rework of my current backstory) and running on septic tanks. But I don't see how Anna could get a septic tank system running when, well, part of the problem is probably the septic tanks. 'Cause when they fill up, you're done.

Anybody got any thoughts on this?

... Maybe I should just go study urban planning >.>
I skipped over this in favour of honey badgers but do you have a Beta?
I'd be willing to be a sounding board if nothing else for you to bounce ideas off.
Just put me on some no vote list, its a small sacrifice to get a quest I want off the ground.
 
Counterpoint.
If he was I would allow him to go un badgered, however he has made not made any movements towards providing us with any content high quality or otherwise within the last month. (Well actually its been longer than that however he did warn us that he'd be unable to write from June 12th to June 21st.)
Clearly we need to up our badgering.


Your point is taken, sir/ma'am/other!

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But why did you decide to make it a quest? I'm... not really sure it would work out well. We know what's going to happen; Anna's terribly depressing background. It doesn't seem like an appealing premise that would draw in questers; they usually aim for good ends, not breaking the main character. It just seems like something that would require a lot of GM railroading.
It was originally one of the ideas Avalanche mentioned in the thread long time ago, long before I was part of this thread, and Kaizuki decided to pick it up. Our favorite kitty started it, but then had to drop it, most likely due to RL-reasons. And now, Kaizuki is aiming to restart it from the beginning, sometime in the future.

Here's a link to it, and you can find the link also on the first page. Kaizuki explains in the second post of the quest how it works. Anna Gaiden [BAHHSCQ Spinoff]
 
Like bombings are pretty awesome. Excellent ego-boosting for authors, and just as good for involved contributors. Always good to see. :) Just not often that we see someone go through and like 12k posts. :p
 
So, having found the previously done fake posts interesting, I decided to test making fake posts via tables, here are the results:



This is just the one made by Familiar for comparison.


Well yeah? I guess Leonart is playing bad cop for your squadron then? Hahaha you freshies are all so scared of the Instructors. She's actually a teddy bear, like, she'll bake you cookies and knit you clothes if you ask her, seriously no jokes I mean it.

Wait, does that mean Meyer is playing good cop? Holy shit, fucking can't even imagine, getting chills just thinking about it.


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Well yeah? I guess Leonart is playing bad cop for your squadron then? Hahaha you freshies are all so scared of the Instructors. She's actually a teddy bear, like, she'll bake you cookies and knit you clothes if you ask her, seriously no jokes I mean it.

Wait, does that mean Meyer is playing good cop? Holy shit, fucking can't even imagine, getting chills just thinking about it.
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Cadet Zara Wight, Sep 09, 2070[/size][/color][size=3] [color=#0080ff]Report[/color][fright][color=#808080]#334[/color] [color=#0080ff]+ Quote Reply[/color][/fright][/size]{/td}{/tr}{/tbody}[/xtable]

This one uses a table to align the picture on the picture of the user on the left rather than [fleft]


Well yeah? I guess Leonart is playing bad cop for your squadron then? Hahaha you freshies are all so scared of the Instructors. She's actually a teddy bear, like, she'll bake you cookies and knit you clothes if you ask her, seriously no jokes I mean it.

Wait, does that mean Meyer is playing good cop? Holy shit, fucking can't even imagine, getting chills just thinking about it.


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Well yeah? I guess Leonart is playing bad cop for your squadron then? Hahaha you freshies are all so scared of the Instructors. She's actually a teddy bear, like, she'll bake you cookies and knit you clothes if you ask her, seriously no jokes I mean it.

Wait, does that mean Meyer is playing good cop? Holy shit, fucking can't even imagine, getting chills just thinking about it.
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Cadet Zara Wight, Sep 09, 2070[/size][/color][size=3] [color=#0080ff]Report[/color][fright][color=#808080]#334[/color] [color=#0080ff]+ Quote Reply[/color][/fright][/size]{/td}{/tr}{/tbody}[/xtable]{/td}{/tr}{/tbody}[/xtable]

This tests the above, but using the [fieldset] tags for the post rather than making it a table, akin to the older fake posts Familiar made.

[img]http://i.imgur.com/dqfhc6e.png[/img] 12,330 556
Well yeah? I guess Leonart is playing bad cop for your squadron then? Hahaha you freshies are all so scared of the Instructors. She's actually a teddy bear, like, she'll bake you cookies and knit you clothes if you ask her, seriously no jokes I mean it.

Wait, does that mean Meyer is playing good cop? Holy shit, fucking can't even imagine, getting chills just thinking about it.


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Well yeah? I guess Leonart is playing bad cop for your squadron then? Hahaha you freshies are all so scared of the Instructors. She's actually a teddy bear, like, she'll bake you cookies and knit you clothes if you ask her, seriously no jokes I mean it.

Wait, does that mean Meyer is playing good cop? Holy shit, fucking can't even imagine, getting chills just thinking about it.
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Cadet Zara Wight, Sep 09, 2070[/size][/color][size=3] [color=#0080ff]Report[/color][fright][color=#808080]#334[/color] [color=#0080ff]+ Quote Reply[/color][/fright][/size][/fieldset]{/td}{/tr}{/tbody}[/xtable]

This is both a pair of posts made using the the one table, and also making the user name and avatar bit via a table instead of as a single picture. For those curious as to why I put these into a [size=1] tag, then changed the size of the fonts back to being larger in the tables, it was to reduce the height of the lines in the tables for the names and ranks.

Also there is a second of the latter post to show it with a table made quote for a more consistent look, this also benefits from the size 1 tags, as without the line noting who was quoted would be rather thicker and less appealing visually.

It also occurs to me that using tables, the signature and post time/number/quote/reply parts could be put in separate cell rows with borders rather than using the [hr][/hr] tags.

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Well yeah? I guess Leonart is playing bad cop for your squadron then? Hahaha you freshies are all so scared of the Instructors. She's actually a teddy bear, like, she'll bake you cookies and knit you clothes if you ask her, seriously no jokes I mean it.

Wait, does that mean Meyer is playing good cop? Holy shit, fucking can't even imagine, getting chills just thinking about it.



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…Meyer playing good cop? Holy shit, fucking can't even imagine, getting chills just thinking about it.
Heard you were talking shit, cadet.



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…Meyer playing good cop? Holy shit, fucking can't even imagine, getting chills just thinking about it.

Heard you were talking shit, cadet.


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Well yeah? I guess Leonart is playing bad cop for your squadron then? Hahaha you freshies are all so scared of the Instructors. She's actually a teddy bear, like, she'll bake you cookies and knit you clothes if you ask her, seriously no jokes I mean it.

Wait, does that mean Meyer is playing good cop? Holy shit, fucking can't even imagine, getting chills just thinking about it.[/size]
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{td=border:0}[xtable]{tbody}{tr}{td=999x@|bcolor:#202020}[size=4][quote="Cadet Zara Wight"]…Meyer playing good cop? Holy shit, fucking can't even imagine, getting chills just thinking about it.[/quote]
Heard you were talking shit, cadet.[/size]
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Crafting | Plot Twist Avoidance | Sister Appreciation

"So wait, how do we get the Valkyrie Cores inside of us?" ― cadet Koujirou Rokusabe, just before acting on an unfortunate assumption
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{tr=border:0|top}{td=border:0|left|bcolor:#303030}[size=3]Cadet [color=#0080ff]Zara Wight[/color] said: [color=#0080ff][font=serif]↑[/font][/color][/size]{/td}{/tr}
{tr}{td=border:0|bcolor:#181818}[size=4]…Meyer playing good cop? Holy shit, fucking can't even imagine, getting chills just thinking about it.[/size]{/td}{/tr}
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[size=4]Heard you were talking shit, cadet.[/size]
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Crafting | Plot Twist Avoidance | Sister Appreciation

"So wait, how do we get the Valkyrie Cores inside of us?" ― cadet Koujirou Rokusabe, just before acting on an unfortunate assumption
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So... the instructor can quote someone from the future?
Well, the contents of that post were directly copied from this post. The issue seems to be not just quoting the future, but having one's post occur in line for that quote rather than being where it should be for the time period posted. More likely, it's a typo on Familiar's part, though I've now corrected it in my post.

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I am going to learn so much from studying this. You solved so many issues that I was running into.

About the table cells instead of [hr][/hr] lines for the signature– I was messing around with that but I was having spacing issues. Perhaps you'll be able to solve that one as well.
 
About the table cells instead of [hr][/hr] lines for the signature– I was messing around with that but I was having spacing issues. Perhaps you'll be able to solve that one as well.

Well, here's what I got by just changing it over. Mind as I noted before, setting the font size to 1 outside the table seems to help with the spacing of certain things, so that might be where you were having issues if you hadn't thought to do that. Also, made the signature cell slightly darker, since that is the case with the theme I use on SV.

Edit: Added some dots as an example of an easy online/offline indicator.

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Well yeah? I guess Leonart is playing bad cop for your squadron then? Hahaha you freshies are all so scared of the Instructors. She's actually a teddy bear, like, she'll bake you cookies and knit you clothes if you ask her, seriously no jokes I mean it.

Wait, does that mean Meyer is playing good cop? Holy shit, fucking can't even imagine, getting chills just thinking about it.
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…Meyer playing good cop? Holy shit, fucking can't even imagine, getting chills just thinking about it.

Heard you were talking shit, cadet.
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Wait, does that mean Meyer is playing good cop? Holy shit, fucking can't even imagine, getting chills just thinking about it.[/size]{/td}{/tr}

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So, I went ahead and made a spreadsheet to simplify making fake forum threads. It lets you set up multiple users, each with their own avatar, title, signature, etc. then assign them to posts you can make (for which you assign a time of posting, and the contents of the post). As an added bonus, it even lets you add thread titles and page buttons. A sample of the output currently in the thing is below. At present the sheet should be set to view only, but that should not prevent downloading it or copying it onto one's own drive.


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Now then, I wonder if anyone is up to the challenge of trying to do the whole forum bit from earlier using fake posts like this.

Edit: Also, if someone wanted to be really fancy with the fake forum thing, they could simulate multiple pages on separate tab slides and make the page numbers direct you to the different slides.

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So, I went ahead and made a spreadsheet to simplify making fake forum threads. It lets you set up multiple users, each with their own avatar, title, signature, etc. then assign them to posts you can make (for which you assign a time of posting, and the contents of the post). As an added bonus, it even lets you add thread titles and page buttons. A sample of the output currently in the thing is below. At present the sheet should be set to view only, but that should not prevent downloading it or copying it onto one's own drive.


- table -

Now then, I wonder if anyone is up to the challenge of trying to do the whole forum bit from earlier using fake posts like this.

Edit: Also, if someone wanted to be really fancy with the fake forum thing, they could simulate multiple pages on separate tab slides and make the page numbers direct you to the different slides.

owrtho

God dang, that thread generator spreadsheet is well beyond me. The coding, that is – the tables you set up are pretty user-friendly. This is amazing.
 
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